The Donald

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jdubbs

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jokinla said:
You can't even compare Harrison to DY, he has shown that he is for real and has more promise than DY ever will. First off, before he was even pro he won his first tour level match at 15, beating a clay court specialist on clay. Not to diminish DY's junior achievements, but while DY was winning junior events, Harrison was beating top 100 pro men, on their best surface, so he set himself apart right there.
As for his WCs, I've already said there is nothing wrong with getting them your first few years on tour, but beyond that is too much, and Harrison's ranking is high enough that soon he won't be needing WC's, and certainly won't need one for the US Open, he's top 80 currently. And the WC's he gets he makes the most out of, winning multiple matches at IW, beating Raonic, who was as hot as anyone, other than Djoker, and giving Fed a decent match, he went deep in Atlanta, and LA and qualifying, rather than getting WC's into all the majors this year, his Aussie WC was one he earned by winning the playoff, so no Harrison in no way has WC's to thank for his place on tour, he's showing that he could be the next great American player by winning plenty of matches against quality opponents and giving guys at the top problems as well.
You are really reaching when you try and compare Harrison and DY.
And on DY doing better this year, he has been earning his way a little more, better late than never I guess, but my original comment was referencing his entire career, not just this year.
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This year, Donald has beat both Murray who is ranked, what #5? And Melzer, who might have fallen out of the top 10 but was ranked #7 recently.

Harrison hasn't beaten anybody that good.

So let's cool it with the Harrison talk until he's beat similar opponents.
 
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Caesar

Banned
jdubbs said:
This year, Donald has beat both Murray who is ranked, what #5? And Melzer, who might have fallen out of the top 10 but was ranked #7 recently.

Harrison hasn't beaten anybody that good.

So let's cool it with the Harrison talk until he's beat similar opponents.
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Wow. At least your opinions are consistently bad.
 
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Rob_C

Hall of Fame
jokinla said:
You can't even compare Harrison to DY, he has shown that he is for real and has more promise than DY ever will. First off, before he was even pro he won his first tour level match at 15, beating a clay court specialist on clay. Not to diminish DY's junior achievements, but while DY was winning junior events, Harrison was beating top 100 pro men, on their best surface, so he set himself apart right there.
As for his WCs, I've already said there is nothing wrong with getting them your first few years on tour, but beyond that is too much, and Harrison's ranking is high enough that soon he won't be needing WC's, and certainly won't need one for the US Open, he's top 80 currently. And the WC's he gets he makes the most out of, winning multiple matches at IW, beating Raonic, who was as hot as anyone, other than Djoker, and giving Fed a decent match, he went deep in Atlanta, and LA and qualifying, rather than getting WC's into all the majors this year, his Aussie WC was one he earned by winning the playoff, so no Harrison in no way has WC's to thank for his place on tour, he's showing that he could be the next great American player by winning plenty of matches against quality opponents and giving guys at the top problems as well.
You are really reaching when you try and compare Harrison and DY.
And on DY doing better this year, he has been earning his way a little more, better late than never I guess, but my original comment was referencing his entire career, not just this year.
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Paragraphs would help reading your posts.

Let's see, Harrison is ranked about 75, DY is 89, that's pretty close to me.

When Harrison wins the Aussie Open WC playoffs, he's earning his place on tour. When DY wins Kalamazoo and get the US Open WC, he has WCs to thank for his place on tour.

Harrison gets a WC into IW, Miami. DY qualifies into both events, but DY has WCs to thank for his place on tour??

Your bias is pretty evident.

Harrison beat one top 100 player, when he was coming up, then he followed that up with losing 1st rd Futures here & there, check his record.

There's nothing demeaning about winning jr events, Harrison played quite a few, he just never won anything big.

As for getting into the Majors, Harrison has only qualified into 1 that I know of, the US Open last yr. DY has qualified into 3, in addition to making another 3 by DA.

As for the US Open WCs, as I said, it's not like there's only one to be given out. No need for any fantasies. As I said in another thread, Harrison's probably a lock, DY's probably a lock. I thought Kudla was a lock, but he's playing the WC Playoffs so maybe he heard/felt different. No arguments with that, take the uncertainty out of it.

Just for the record, I have nothing against Harrison, or the # of WCs he's getting. Just pointing out how someone people fixate negatively on one person, then completely ignore the situation when someone else is doing the same thing.
 
Tennisguy777

Tennisguy777

Professional
The Donald needs to "get his weight up" literally and metaphorically.
He's just a boy playing amongst men. He needs about 10 - 15 pounds of muscle in his body for him to compete, looks like he's 125 pounds or something close to that.
 
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jokinla

Hall of Fame
JLyon said:
Just be correct on facts Harrison got into Wimbledon and French as a LL as he lost in final round of qualifying, not to mention being fined in both for behavior issues
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He won matches and then based on his ranking got into the majors, as a "lucky loser", to be factually correct, which is till earning your way, more so than a WC, and in both those majors, pushed top 10 players, which he has done on several occasions this year.
As for DY's "wins" you mention, Murray lost that match, and congrats to DY for beating an injured Melzer.
If you think DY is the future of American tennis over Harrison you are entitled to your opinion.
 
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jokinla

Hall of Fame
Rob_C said:
Paragraphs would help reading your posts.

Let's see, Harrison is ranked about 75, DY is 89, that's pretty close to me.

When Harrison wins the Aussie Open WC playoffs, he's earning his place on tour. When DY wins Kalamazoo and get the US Open WC, he has WCs to thank for his place on tour.

Harrison gets a WC into IW, Miami. DY qualifies into both events, but DY has WCs to thank for his place on tour??

Your bias is pretty evident.

Harrison beat one top 100 player, when he was coming up, then he followed that up with losing 1st rd Futures here & there, check his record.

There's nothing demeaning about winning jr events, Harrison played quite a few, he just never won anything big.

As for getting into the Majors, Harrison has only qualified into 1 that I know of, the US Open last yr. DY has qualified into 3, in addition to making another 3 by DA.

As for the US Open WCs, as I said, it's not like there's only one to be given out. No need for any fantasies. As I said in another thread, Harrison's probably a lock, DY's probably a lock. I thought Kudla was a lock, but he's playing the WC Playoffs so maybe he heard/felt different. No arguments with that, take the uncertainty out of it.

Just for the record, I have nothing against Harrison, or the # of WCs he's getting. Just pointing out how someone people fixate negatively on one person, then completely ignore the situation when someone else is doing the same thing.
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Back in the mid 2000's, last decade, 06 to be precise(to put it in perspective, I have a son with a mean forehand, and he wasn't even born yet) when DY won his Kalamazoo and "earned" his WC, I didn't have a problem with it; fast forward to this decade, yes as I have said he has worn out his WC welcome, unless of course he wins a playoff, and then he has earned it just as Harrison did his.

No bias here, if in year 7 of Harrison's career, if he is still getting WC's because he is still flailing around in the lower 100's, after years of being on tour, then I will call him on it.

When Harrison won his first match at 15 I didn't expect him to start winning majors, it was just a sample of the depth of talent he possesses; of course he couldn't join the tour full time then, but now that he has he is showing his ability and moving up the ranks nicely.

Of course there really aren't parallels between DY's WCitis and Harrison's WC grants, Harrison hasn't been receiving them for years and not doing much with them, he has taken them up and up the ranks.

Lastly, no negativity from me, just observing one fortunate players' career. I'm not a DY hater as I've already stated, I simply said over the course of his career he has been awarded more WC's than any other player, and your constant denial of this, forces me to put him down further and further.
 
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Rob_C

Hall of Fame
jokinla said:
Lastly, no negativity from me, just observing one fortunate players' career. I'm not a DY hater as I've already stated, I simply said over the course of his career he has been awarded more WC's than any other player, and your constant denial of this, forces me to put him down further and further.
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Hopefully this will be the last post on this, it's gone on for awhile.

I never denied DY has gotten more WCs than anyone else. What I've been trying to get across is that, even though he has gotten alot of WCs, there hasn't been alot of other up & coming players that have been more worthy of those WCs.

You don't just hand out WCs to someone else just because. They should have had some sort of accomplishment or potential to get the WCs.

The ones that have shown that, Harrison, Sock, Kudla, Klahn etc, have gotten WCs.

Again, name some other young, up & coming players that you think are more worthy and we'll compare their accomplishments with DYs.T he guys you named were all old, plus one is banned for doping, not sure if you were aware of that.

You keep going back to Kalamazoo in 06. What about all the Challengers he's won, or made finals in?? Do those not count???
 
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groundbreaker

Rookie
I'm looking at all the potentials for US Open WCs, and there's a lot of potentials.

1-3. Several good candidates here. Top two in my book are Harrison and Young. Kudla would be another good choice. Reynolds might get it if he doesn't win the playoff. Ginepri might get one coming off the injury trail. I'm sure he'll be in the qualifying rounds, at least. Only other person who I can think of is Jesse Witten. I've heard he might retire after this season, so maybe he's got an outside chance of getting a going-away present.

4. NCAA Champ--Steve Johnson

5. B18s Champ--This is likely going to be Jack Sock, Mitchell Frank, or Marcos Giron.

6. USTA Playoff Winner--Denis Kudla and Bobby Reynolds are both going to be playing for this wild card, as well as Jack Sock (if he doesn't win the 18s), Rhyne Williams, Alex Domijan, and Dan Kosakowski. My gut tells me Reynolds is probably going to win this WC.

7. Australian Reciprocal--Hewitt. I'd be stunned if Tomic got it.

8. French Reciprocal--Paire or Clement. Or maybe Rufin. On a side note, I noticed Gianni Mina is about to crack top 400. I guess he's been doing alright.
 
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Rhino

Rhino

Legend
If Young doesn't automatically qualify for the US Open then they shouldn't give him a wild card, he should go through qualifying. After that Twitter stunt he pulled before Roland Garros he doesn't deserve anything for free anymore.
 
Buckethead

Buckethead

Banned
Arguing about Donald SUCK doesn't go anywhere just like him without wild cards for the main events.

He already lost on the first round of the qualifying for Cincinnati to Bogomolov JR by 6X0, 6X4.

LOL, how can anybody even argue about this guy, He just doesn't have the talent to be in the top 100, only way He plays in the ATP events is by getting WC, no other way.
 
norbac

norbac

Legend
I didn't really see anything different from Donald in his run in DC. Melzer had a pulled hamstring and had to pull out, Baghdatis was serving in the 30s and making errors left and right. As soon as he ran into an opponent in decent form, he got routed. This run in DC might help his confidence, but I just don't think he has the ability to make anything of it.
 
Buckethead

Buckethead

Banned
norbac said:
I didn't really see anything different from Donald in his run in DC. Melzer had a pulled hamstring and had to pull out, Baghdatis was serving in the 30s and making errors left and right. As soon as he ran into an opponent in decent form, he got routed. This run in DC might help his confidence, but I just don't think he has the ability to make anything of it.
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Neither I did, He clearly is a horrible professional tennis player.
 
norbac

norbac

Legend
Buckethead said:
Neither I did, He clearly is a horrible professional tennis player.
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I wouldn't say he's horrible, he has made the top 100 in men's tennis and that is an accomplishment in and of itself. I just don't think he has the talent or heart to go any higher than, say, top 60.
 
mnm

mnm

Rookie
Heard somerhing about him throwing the gear on a car and went Jack Nicholsson in some locker room in college? Never liked him anyway.
 
edberg505

edberg505

Legend
jokinla said:
No he didn't, this has got to be the end of the line for him. Kudla should have gotten that!
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LOL, something tells me that even if Donald Young would have won the tournament in DC and Montréal, you still would have thought he shouldn't have gotten a wild card.
 
t135

t135

Professional
He has the ranking, he's won some matches, he earned the ranking and he deserved it. Its as simple as that.

We can make lame arguments all day long about who does and doesn't deserve wildcards, but on court performance (a.k.a. rankings) start the discussion. Whether someone likes it or not.
 
R

Rob_C

Hall of Fame
Rhino said:
He didn't deserve the US Open card.
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Why do you think he didn't deserve it, and say, Harrison did?? They're both ranked about the same, and they both made late jumps into the top 100, but not in time for the entry deadline.

jokinla said:
No he didn't, this has got to be the end of the line for him. Kudla should have gotten that!
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Which Kudla??? This one??

http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/headtohead.asp?player=100035263&opponent=100099373

Let me know.
 
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jokinla

Hall of Fame
Rob_C said:
Why do you think he didn't deserve it, and say, Harrison did?? They're both ranked about the same, and they both made late jumps into the top 100, but not in time for the entry deadline.



Which Kudla??? This one??

http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/headtohead.asp?player=100035263&opponent=100099373

Let me know.
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Harrison is much better than DY, in a much shorter time, is having a much better year than him, would absolutely destroy him if they played, and of course hasn't been getting wild cards into tourneys since 06, but I suppose you would dispute all of that.
And yes of course that Kudla, he is the next young American the USTA should look to get behind, not continuing to throw away opportunities on DY, it's his turn to get a little help.
 
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jokinla

Hall of Fame
edberg505 said:
LOL, something tells me that even if Donald Young would have won the tournament in DC and Montréal, you still would have thought he shouldn't have gotten a wild card.
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But he didn't, he won multiple matches in a row for the first time in a tour level event in I don't know how long, probably ever, and suddenly it's all been justified, he's arrived, only to get spanked the first round of qualifying in Cincy, and as for Montreal he would have had to actually have been accepted into the tournament, which he wasn't because he's not good enough, so to say IF he would have won those tournaments, well he wasn't even remotely close, but had he won those tournaments then by all means he would deserve one, but we could speculate all day about well if this and if that.
 
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jokinla

Hall of Fame
t135 said:
He has the ranking, he's won some matches, he earned the ranking and he deserved it. Its as simple as that.

We can make lame arguments all day long about who does and doesn't deserve wildcards, but on court performance (a.k.a. rankings) start the discussion. Whether someone likes it or not.
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He's a Challenger player journeyman/wild card recipient, which is why he has that ranking, and should be treated as such, it's as simple as that.
 
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jokinla

Hall of Fame
ledwix said:
Why would he still get wildcards? Hasn't it been 3 years with no good results already?
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You've clearly over looked his amazing run to the semis of Wimbled, sorry Washington, where he beat two guys outside the top 100, got a retirement and beat a very average playing Bagdhatis, but he has arrived!!
 
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Rob_C

Hall of Fame
jokinla said:
Harrison is much better than DY, in a much shorter time, is having a much better year than him, would absolutely destroy him if they played, and of course hasn't been getting wild cards into tourneys since 06, but I suppose you would dispute all of that.
And yes of course that Kudla, he is the next young American the USTA should look to get behind, not continuing to throw away opportunities on DY, it's his turn to get a little help.
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http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/headtohead.asp?player=100035263&opponent=100099095

The H2H disputes your contention.

If Kudla wants to get some of the support that DY's been getting, maybe it would help if he made a statement on court, when they played.

jokinla said:
But he didn't, he won multiple matches in a row for the first time in a tour level event in I don't know how long, probably ever, and suddenly it's all been justified, he's arrived, only to get spanked the first round of qualifying in Cincy, and as for Montreal he would have had to actually have been accepted into the tournament, which he wasn't because he's not good enough, so to say IF he would have won those tournaments, well he wasn't even remotely close, but had he won those tournaments then by all means he would deserve one, but we could speculate all day about well if this and if that.
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Harrison wasnt accepted into Montreal either, lets not forget that.

If DY won Montreal, he would have deserved a WC, but by getting to the semis of Washington, and re-entering the top 100 he doesnt?? But Kudla, who is 300+ in the world deserves a WC over the guy in the top 100??

Wouldn't call that an unbiased opinion.

jokinla said:
He's a Challenger player journeyman/wild card recipient, which is why he has that ranking, and should be treated as such, it's as simple as that.
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He's 10-11 at the tour level this year, all of which he earned by coming through qualies, or DA. No WCs.

Harrison is 11-13, hard to justify the 'much better' comment, I think, if you're being objective.

BTW, Harrison has another WC into Malaysia, I think that makes 10 for the yr compared to 2 for DY, but DY's ranking is a result of WCs, and Harrison has earned his ranking, right??

You don't seem to know much about tennis. Once again, you get no ranking benefit from getting a WC and losing, only by winning, if you get a WC, does your ranking go up.

Lastly, Bogomolov has been doing very well lately, beat Tsonga today, is the #4 American currently at #50, and will take another jump next week.
 
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jokinla

Hall of Fame
Rob_C said:
http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/headtohead.asp?player=100035263&opponent=100099095

The H2H disputes your contention.

If Kudla wants to get some of the support that DY's been getting, maybe it would help if he made a statement on court, when they played.



Harrison wasnt accepted into Montreal either, lets not forget that.

If DY won Montreal, he would have deserved a WC, but by getting to the semis of Washington, and re-entering the top 100 he doesnt?? But Kudla, who is 300+ in the world deserves a WC over the guy in the top 100??

Wouldn't call that an unbiased opinion.



He's 10-11 at the tour level this year, all of which he earned by coming through qualies, or DA. No WCs.

Harrison is 11-13, hard to justify the 'much better' comment, I think, if you're being objective.

BTW, Harrison has another WC into Malaysia, I think that makes 10 for the yr compared to 2 for DY, but DY's ranking is a result of WCs, and Harrison has earned his ranking, right??

You don't seem to know much about tennis. Once again, you get no ranking benefit from getting a WC and losing, only by winning, if you get a WC, does your ranking go up.

Lastly, Bogomolov has been doing very well lately, beat Tsonga today, is the #4 American currently at #50, and will take another jump next week.
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What a surprise, lol. Convenient to produce 2010 results with Harrison, who I said if they played, now, in 2011, Harrison would destroy him, if you dispute this, that shows how little you know about tennis.
By comparing Montreal and Washington, and saying that getting to the semis of Washington or winning Montreal is somehow even remotely parallel shows how little you know about tennis.
If you have been watching tennis lately, you wont have heard a single analyst mention DY in any way shape or form, yet Harrison is mentioned constantly, but go ahead and continue to debate the two, again showing how little you know about tennis.
 
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Rob_C

Hall of Fame
I produced their current H2H. I cant help it if they havent played this yr.

It seems you're the one who knows little about tennis. In the Jack Sock thread you were criticizing his decision to play K'zoo. If you knew better, it would have been obvious why he was doing it, for the WC.

As you saw, Kudla didnt get one, he's going to have to win the playoffs to get the last WC.
 
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jokinla

Hall of Fame
Rob_C said:
I produced their current H2H. I cant help it if they havent played this yr.

It seems you're the one who knows little about tennis. In the Jack Sock thread you were criticizing his decision to play K'zoo. If you knew better, it would have been obvious why he was doing it, for the WC.

As you saw, Kudla didnt get one, he's going to have to win the playoffs to get the last WC.
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So what happens next year, in year 8 of his amazing career, when he is back in the 100's, but nobody else is "worthier" of a WC, does it still go to DY?
 
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Rob_C

Hall of Fame
jokinla said:
So what happens next year, in year 8 of his amazing career, when he is back in the 100's, but nobody else is "worthier" of a WC, does it still go to DY?
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Lets wait to see what happens next yr. If I could predict the future I would've hit the lotto by now.

But, in all honesty, I think these are the last of his WCs, and, he shouldnt need any more after this cause he'll be DA into alot of tour events next yr, plus all of the slams.

BTW, Harrison got another WC into Winston Salem. Any comments about that?? Also, Hewitt got the last WC into Winston Salem. I would've liked to have seen Sock get it. Hopefully he'll at least get a qualies WC.

Seeing that Harrison has gotten so many WCs this yr alone, r u cool with him getting another one while Sock maybe gets passed over??

And, I think u might be forgetting DY just turned 22 last month. Thats still fairly young despite him being a pro for 7 yrs.
 
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jokinla

Hall of Fame
Rob_C said:
Lets wait to see what happens next yr. If I could predict the future I would've hit the lotto by now.

But, in all honesty, I think these are the last of his WCs, and, he shouldnt need any more after this cause he'll be DA into alot of tour events next yr, plus all of the slams.

BTW, Harrison got another WC into Winston Salem. Any comments about that?? Also, Hewitt got the last WC into Winston Salem. I would've liked to have seen Sock get it. Hopefully he'll at least get a qualies WC.

Seeing that Harrison has gotten so many WCs this yr alone, r u cool with him getting another one while Sock maybe gets passed over??

And, I think u might be forgetting DY just turned 22 last month. Thats still fairly young despite him being a pro for 7 yrs.
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Any wildcard given to DY over Jack Sock is an atrocity. I've already discussed Harrison. And you seem to be advocating giving a WC to Sock over Hewitt, but not over DY, hilarious. And if it comes down to Harrison or Sock then of course I'd go Harrison. Lastly I can't predict the future either, and I'm also not a meteorologist, but I can say with some certainty that it won't rain tomorrow here in SoCal and I can say with the same amount of certainty that DY will be back in the 100's by next year faster than you can debate this.
 
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Rob_C

Hall of Fame
I disagree with the part about Harrison getting the WC now, over Sock. Harrison's been getting WCs all year, and he's done well. But, now, Harrison has established himself, he's in the top 100, he's becoming well known, so I think they should start directing some support to Sock.

When DY was winning K'zoo & the jr slams, he got WCs as a result. I dont think Sock is getting his fair share.

As far as Hewitt is concerned, these are American tournaments & I think we should focus on Americans.

Like I said, hopefully he at least got a qualies WC.
 
C

Caesar

Banned
Pretty sure Hewitt will get the Tennis Australia reciprocal wild card. Tomic will probably get direct entry.

If not, he is a former champion. Wild cards aren't there for serving local interests, they're there to benefit the tournament.

Often a local player is the best option because crowds are patriotic, but a former champ is better publicity.
 
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Fedace

Fedace

Banned
Murphy Jensen just said during US open broadcast,,,,Donald is Improving everyday......and He WILL or CAN win a grand slam on day..............
 
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Max G.

Legend
jokinla said:
So what happens next year, in year 8 of his amazing career, when he is back in the 100's, but nobody else is "worthier" of a WC, does it still go to DY?
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I would guess probably. The highest-ranked american not to make it in to the US Open main draw a probably a good bet for one of the wildcards. If that happens to always be DY, the he'll keep getting those.
 
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jdubbs

Hall of Fame
nice win for Young today over Lucas Lacko, who I watched beat Querrey earlier this year and has plenty of game. Straight sets, dominant. Lets go DY!
 
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jokinla

Hall of Fame
Congrats DY, you beat a lucky loser, a guy who failed to qualify for the tournament, but because someone pulled out he got in, keep up the solid wins.
 
J

jokinla

Hall of Fame
Max G. said:
I would guess probably. The highest-ranked american not to make it in to the US Open main draw a probably a good bet for one of the wildcards. If that happens to always be DY, the he'll keep getting those.
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Just further proof of the lack of American talent.
 
vbranis

vbranis

Professional
With all respect to DY, Lacko played horribly today, just slapping balls around as hard as possible, looked like he had a flight to catch in the afternoon. No wonder he already lost in qualies...

We'll see what DY can bring against Wawrinka.
 
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Rob_C

Hall of Fame
jamesblakefan#1 said:
Where's that joikana nerd to eat some crow?
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He's gonna lay low until at least the 3rd rd match on Sunday, but I think DY has a good chance against Chela, so, we might not hear from him till Tues.

He's counting down till DY loses then he'll pop back up.
 
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