Murray now has the best chance of the top four to win the USO

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Tammo

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With Nadal in a slump after his multiple loses to Djokovic, he just doesn't have the confidence any more. If he is losing to guys like Dodig he won't get through the first week.

Djokovic is wiped out, and probably has the second best chance at winning of the top 4. Still, he needs to rest a lot to have a chance.

Federer, can't seem to handle the power the big guys bring. He lost to Tsonga and Berdych. And those two have HUGE serves and FH's. And I also honestly don't think Federer can put 7 wins together over 2 weeks.

With the top 3 are like that I think Murray has a great shot at the title. After his run to the Cincy title, and not losing a set that should give him tons of confidence.


I guess I should say something about Fish cause he's been playing really good tennis this summer. If he and Murray are on opposite sides of the draw then I think they will both get to the finals.
 
OTMPut

OTMPut

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slams -> different ball game.

my money is still on fed-rafa-djoker triad. djoker is no.3. because of the purported shoulder issue. it may flare up again during the open, who knows.

murray has the game, but he has a pea sized heart. that is the issue. that is something that cannot be coached off.

all these so called big hitters are one match wonders. they win a match against fed and retire in the next match or do not show up again on the tour for a season. they are like bank stocks.
 
Clarky21

Clarky21

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I think Murray will make the final and lose to the obvious winner Djokovic. Nobody is beating Novak at the USO. It's just wishful thinking to say otherwise.
 
TennisFan3

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Seriously OP. In what universe does Murray have a better chance than Djoko?

Are you trying to troll? In which case I apologize.. ( I have nothing against the occasional trolling threads for fun..)
 
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TTMR

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If Djokovic's injury/exhaustion persist, I'd easily pick Nadal as the favourite. The guy has bounced back from worse, and he will want to defend that title. If he splits the 2011 slams with Djokovic, he knows he has effectively repudiated Djokovic's case for best season in tennis history.

I do agree, this is Murray's best chance to win a slam in some time, perhaps ever. But although he is my favourite player, he has come up short so many times when he shouldn't have, it's hard to put him in the same league as those two. You just never know when Murray's error-prone doppelganger will appear. Nevertheless, I would still place him above Federer at this point, as I see Murray matching up much better against big hitters like Tsonga and Berdych.

I could see Berdych having a Del Potro-like run. Perhaps this is the year someone comes out of nowhere to win like he did.
 
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als47

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I wouldn't assume that any apparent injury or weakness in the top 3 is going to be present in the US Open. Murray won't assume that either, if he knows what's good for him.
 
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Mighty Matteo

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federer has a great opportunity to take advantage of this. With his 2 main rivals in less than perfect form, all there is left is andy murray. we have already seen twice what happens when there is only andy murray between roger and another slam. I think that he will come to this US Open feeling as if he has as great a chance as anyone.
 
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NadalAgassi

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With Djokovic's injury and possible fatigue I give Murray and Djokovic about equal chances to win the U.S Open. Maybe I am overestimating Djokovic's physical problems though in which case Djokovic is still the heavy favorite. Federer and Nadal are roughly joint third favorite, WAY behind both Djokovic and Murray right now. Nadal has lost all his confidence since Wimbledon it seems, yeah I dont read too much into Masters losses but usually he plays decently even in the losses and it is much harder to beat him in a best of 5, but right now he looks like he is wandering a bit. Federer can fall to any big hitter on a hot patch right now.


So:


Djokovic (if healthy and refreshed)





Murrray (and Djokovic if not physically 100%)





Federer and Nadal





Everyone else including the new hype machine Fish et al
 
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Bryan Swartz

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Murray did well to win Cincinatti, but it's ridiculous IMO not to have Djokovic as the outright favorite. I don't think we know anything medically that would indicate his shoulder won't be ready, and if it's even close everyone else has an uphill battle.
 
Bud

Bud

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Murray is my choice to win in 2011 :)

TennisFan3 said:
Seriously OP. In what universe does Murray have a better chance than Djoko?

Are you trying to troll? In which case I apologize.. ( I have nothing against the occasional trolling threads for fun..)
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Please remove the rose-tinted ********* glasses. You always claim to be realistic and brutally honest about Nadal. Do the same for Djokovic. He's looked less than stellar for the past couple of weeks and Murray walked all over him in Cincy (before and after his apparent shoulder injury).

If Djokovic meets Murray in the SF, IMO Djok is toast... especially if its a really hot and humid day match. Nadal and/or Federer will most likely be the night match.
 
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TennisFan3

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Bud said:
Murray is my choice to win in 2011 :)
Please remove the rose-tinted ********* glasses. You always claim to be realistic and brutally honest about Nadal. Do the same for Djokovic. He's looked less than stellar for the past couple of weeks and Murray walked all over him in Cincy (before and after his apparent shoulder injury).
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Buddy. I know that Murray CAN beat Djokovic. In fact he might be the BEST equipped player in ATP (besides Fed) to be able to do so.

But Murray becomes this unrecognizable zombie in slam finals. So if Murray and Djoko land in opposite halves (as has been the case for the last 20 slams or), then Murray can't meet him in the final (where he will be toast anyway).

However, if Murray and Djoko are placed in the same half, then Murray needs to make the SF, which he hasn't in the last 2 years in NY. But yeah, IF (and it's a big if) Muzz makes the SF against Djoko, he's got a GOOD shot of beating him.

Outside of the second scenario, I think Djoko wins in all others..
 
OddJack

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hmmm

This is the worst I have ever seen Nadal fans budge

All the Nadalies losing hope him having a shot at it again.

Why? because he said Djok is in his head?
Because he lost to Dodig?

Because he plays like crap in his last two tournies? He lost to Baghy last year in Q too.

He has showed time and again he can have a poor start at a major and end up winning it. Just like Rodge has.

Chill out *********, its not that bad
 
racquetfreak

racquetfreak

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i don't see murray beating any ofthe top three in the uso. his "win" wasn't all that impressive in cicinnati and gives little cause to expect him to dominate.
 
Clay lover

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Great. Now you've jinxed him. whenever we get those Murray will win " " threads Murray ends up losing in all of them.
 
Bud

Bud

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OddJack said:
hmmm

This is the worst I have ever seen Nadal fans budge

All the Nadalies losing hope him having a shot at it again.

Why? because he said Djok is in his head?
Because he lost to Dodig?

Because he plays like crap in his last two tournies? He lost to Baghy last year in Q too.

He has showed time and again he can have a poor start at a major and end up winning it. Just like Rodge has.

Chill out *********, its not that bad
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In case you missed it, this thread isn't about Nadal OR Djokovic ;) It's about Murray

You're more obsessed with Nadal than his fans.
 
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Tammo

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Clay lover said:
Great. Now you've jinxed him. whenever we get those Murray will win " " threads Murray ends up losing in all of them.
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I never said Murray would defiantly win, but IMO he has th best chance to win out of the top four. Someone like Tsonga or Berdych could very well win it.
 
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kevvycore

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o god another murray going to win a GS. every grand slam people claim hes going to win and every time loses early. he has no chance of winning. and if he by some chance does win dont call yourself geniuses for saying he was going to win. cuz if you keep calling it and then it happens doesnt mean you know anything.
 
OddJack

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Bud said:
In case you missed it, this thread isn't about Nadal OR Djokovic ;) It's about Murray

You're more obsessed with Nadal than his fans.
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In case you missed it, Murray is playing in the same tournament Nadal is the defending champ at.

Obsess or not, it's fun to see whatever I say about your master bothers his fans
:)
 
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Tammo

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kevvycore said:
o god another murray going to win a GS. every grand slam people claim hes going to win and every time loses early. he has no chance of winning. and if he by some chance does win dont call yourself geniuses for saying he was going to win. cuz if you keep calling it and then it happens doesnt mean you know anything.
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Chill out, if you don't like Murray threads, then don't troll them. Oh, and I never said Murray will win, I just think he has the best chance out of the top 4
 
DeShaun

DeShaun

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Before Murray gets another chance at Djokovic, he probably will have to beat at least two other top ten players. Nobody has been pile-driving the top ten like Djokovic this year, so my money would be on the Serb.

Like I said before, all Murray did in Cincy was: 1. he came in extremely well rested; 2 he beat everyone that he was supposed to on his way to the semis; and 3 he he beat a very fatigued Fish in the semis, who had played more hardcourt matches in the north American heat than anyone else in the past month, and in the finals he toppled a worn out Nole who has played more matches period than anyone else in the past eight months. So, a very fresh Murray outworked a couple of physically overextended but quality opponents.


Murray picked up a little bit on momentum and that's good for him, but in my opinion he is nowhere near being the USO favorite anymore so than he was favored for riding a sweet winning streak into Wimbledon 2010. He has never had an abundance of the mettle needed for following up a win of this caliber with another of equal or greater value. He's composed when things are going his way but weak-minded when facing adversity, and he is likely to face a bit more adversity in Flushing than he did in Cincy.
 
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Sentinel

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Another one of those "This is murray's best chance..." threads. Yawn !
Looking at Joker's current fatigue issue, wonder if he'll be able to play well on Sunday after super sat.

But i do hope Muzza wins.
 
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Tammo

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DeShaun said:
Before Murray gets another chance at Djokovic, he probably will have to beat at least two other top ten players. Nobody has been pile-driving the top ten like Djokovic this year, so my money would be on the Serb.
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But, Novak has 6 more days before the USO and maybe 7 if he starts on the 2nd day. He'll probably get there in 3 more days, then he'll practice for a few days. IMO that isn't enough time to rest after what he has been through.
 
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Tammo

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Sentinel said:
Another one of those "This is murray's best chance..." threads. Yawn !
Looking at Joker's current fatigue issue, wonder if he'll be able to play well on Sunday after super sat.

But i do hope Muzza wins.
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So you hope he wins, but don't think he has the best chance? Then who does have the best chance?
 
Bud

Bud

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OddJack said:
In case you missed it, Murray is playing in the same tournament Nadal is the defending champ at.

Obsess or not, it's fun to see whatever I say about your master bothers his fans
:)
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It does nothing of the sort. However, post it in the correct thread :)

You constantly blab on about Nadal this Nadal that, you hate Nadal. We all get it.
 
DeShaun

DeShaun

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Tammo said:
But, Novak has 6 more days before the USO and maybe 7 if he starts on the 2nd day. He'll probably get there in 3 more days, then he'll practice for a few days. IMO that isn't enough time to rest after what he has been through.
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I think he'll be reinvigorated because, now that he's lost again, the quest for McEnroe's record may be weighing less on his mind. His pride should take over and carry him across the finish line in New York. He may be tired, but there really is not many players out there capable of working their way through a tough USO draw and then having enough fuel remaining to take out even a depleted Djokovic, but this is just my opinion and he would still need to reach the finals himself...I think if anyone could knock him off early, I'd put money on Donald Young.
 
OddJack

OddJack

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Bud said:
It does nothing of the sort. However, post it in the correct thread :)

You constantly blab on about Nadal this Nadal that, you hate Nadal. We all get it.
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At least I blab about Nadal,

But anything you say is actually a blab, no matter who or what :)

We all get it? how many of you behind the pc? You better talk about yourself, I dont think u get anything at all :)
 
nethawkwenatchee

nethawkwenatchee

Professional
Bud said:
Murray is my choice to win in 2011 :)
If Djokovic meets Murray in the SF, IMO Djok is toast... especially if its a really hot and humid day match. Nadal and/or Federer will most likely be the night match.
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I'm with you on this. I keep hearing comments about this being "Murray's best chance to win a slam" and I think he should be considered a major title contender at all four slams.

He's simply reaching his prime (as is Nole) and that is exactly what the difference is between these guys and the rest of the feild... They were contenders before reaching prime physical capibility... Now they are favorites all the time.

I'd say it looked to me as though this awesome run that Nole has been on has taken it's tole (the past few matches anyway) and Murray is simply to good to let up when a title is withen striking distance. I've said it before and it deserves repeating... Tennis is very much a game of attritian and Murray is looking awfully strong at the moment.

* I'd also point out that if Nole were to get full power back, get/stay healthy, keep focussed... he's still rightfully #1 and should be given full repect that he's earned over this stellar season! My money is on Murray if all goes as it appears.
 
Feña14

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
NadalAgassi said:
With Djokovic's injury and possible fatigue I give Murray and Djokovic about equal chances to win the U.S Open. Maybe I am overestimating Djokovic's physical problems though in which case Djokovic is still the heavy favorite. Federer and Nadal are roughly joint third favorite, WAY behind both Djokovic and Murray right now. Nadal has lost all his confidence since Wimbledon it seems, yeah I dont read too much into Masters losses but usually he plays decently even in the losses and it is much harder to beat him in a best of 5, but right now he looks like he is wandering a bit. Federer can fall to any big hitter on a hot patch right now.


So:


Djokovic (if healthy and refreshed)





Murrray (and Djokovic if not physically 100%)





Federer and Nadal





Everyone else including the new hype machine Fish et al
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I agree with that, yeah.

I think Djokovic should be fine after a week of rest and an easy first week to the tournament. I think if he and Murray are on opposite sides of the draw they will meet in the final, with Djokovic winning in 4.

Federer seems susceptible to losing to a number of players, whilst Nadal might not be playing too well, the way he fights will get him deep into the second week.
 
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NadalAgassi

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From a purely emotional perspective now though I am not a fan I would like to see Murray win. He deserves a slam with 7 Masters titles already, when even 0 Masters titles Del Potro has one. On the other hand Djokovic with his historic year deserves atleast 3 slams in a year. Nadal is my favorite so I would love to see him defend also, as relatively unlikely as it probably is right now. So as long as any of those three win I will be happy.
 
batz

batz

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NadalAgassi said:
From a purely emotional perspective now though I am not a fan I would like to see Murray win. He deserves a slam with 7 Masters titles already, when even 0 Masters titles Del Potro has one. On the other hand Djokovic with his historic year deserves atleast 3 slams in a year. Nadal is my favorite so I would love to see him defend also, as relatively unlikely as it probably is right now. So as long as any of those three win I will be happy.
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Your view on Murray has changed quite considerably over the course of this year - do you mind if I ask what's behind that? Is it because Murray has performed better at the slams of late? Thanks.

BTW I disagree with you on Murray's USO chances relative to Novak - I still see Novak as clear favourite followed by the defending champ, then the guy with lots of US Open titles, then Murray. He does have a shot though.
 
CocaCola

CocaCola

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We'll see if Djokovic is 100% fit for the USO. If he is, no chance for Murray. Anyway, despite his great run at Cincy I would still put his as fourth favourite.
 
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Magnus

Legend
I lold. I'd love Murray to win a slam but even Roger has a better chance than he does. Its a slam. Its Murray. It doesn't go together.
 
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tennis_fan_182

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You'd be a total idiot not to assume a total Nadal-Djokovic slam duopoly for about, oh - FIVE YEARS at least.

It's a complete lock for either the Serb or the Spaniard.

All other players needn't even apply and those who think that since Murray scraped by a crippled Djokovic, he stands half a chance against a fully rejuvenated and healthy one are delusional to put it kindly.
 
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Tony48

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Murray has definitely raised his game at the slams recently but I'd put him as the co-3rd favorite with Federer.
 
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Bjorn99

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Murray is a very, very mobile TALL man. And therefore, more than anyone, he is an injury waiting to happen. He could lose in the first round due to injury, or go deep. Who knows?

Thanks to the 12 month schedule and spins that make players groins groan at night with pain, all these poor guys are virtual hospital cases. So to predict who is going to win is next to impossible now.
 
BULLZ1LLA

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Bjorn99 said:
Murray is a very, very mobile TALL man. And therefore, more than anyone, he is an injury waiting to happen. He could lose in the first round due to injury, or go deep. Who knows?

Thanks to the 12 month schedule and spins that make players groins groan at night with pain, all these poor guys are virtual hospital cases. So to predict who is going to win is next to impossible now.
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(Murray looks the least injury prone out of Djokovic, Nadal, Murray. Nadal has been injured at 2 of the last 3 US Opens [2008 tendinitis, 2009 stomach tear] however and still did no worse than SFs)
 
TopFH

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tennis_fan_182 said:
You'd be a total idiot not to assume a total Nadal-Djokovic slam duopoly for about, oh - FIVE YEARS at least.

It's a complete lock for either the Serb or the Spaniard.

All other players needn't even apply and those who think that since Murray scraped by a crippled Djokovic, he stands half a chance against a fully rejuvenated and healthy one are delusional to put it kindly.
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Nadal won't even be playing in 5 years...
 
PSNELKE

PSNELKE

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If he doesn´t grab the chance now, he´ll probably never win a major..
I want him to take this one so badly. C´mon Muzz
 
tacou

tacou

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Novak just got tired in Cinci. He's got 8 days off and a day of recovery after each match at USO.

Maybe if he has some tough matches, the second week might be a challenge...but no, Novak will be fine. Rafa and Roger will get their ish together and make QF easily, probably both SF.

I see top 4 in the semis, with perhaps 1 upset, and Novak is the heavy favorite
 
Feña14

Feña14

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tacou said:
Novak just got tired in Cinci. He's got 8 days off and a day of recovery after each match at USO.

Maybe if he has some tough matches, the second week might be a challenge...but no, Novak will be fine. Rafa and Roger will get their ish together and make QF easily, probably both SF.

I see top 4 in the semis, with perhaps 1 upset, and Novak is the heavy favorite
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Whilst I agree Djokovic was no doubt tired, Murray had to play all his matches during the heat of the day, he was struggling alot with it in the semi's. Djokovic played most of his matches at night when it was cooler. Whilst it's a legitimate excuse for Djokovic with the sheer number of matches he's played, the last 2 meetings between the two players have been very tight. Murray came closer than most to beating Djokovic in Rome and he did play a good match against him to win in Cincy.

Djokovic would no doubt be a heavy favourite if they did meet in New York, but Murray is certainly a player who worries Djokovic.
 
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Tammo

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BULLZ1LLA said:
(Murray looks the least injury prone out of Djokovic, Nadal, Murray. Nadal has been injured at 2 of the last 3 US Opens [2008 tendinitis, 2009 stomach tear] however and still did no worse than SFs)
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It is not about injuries, but his confidence level has dropped tremendously.
 
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