FEDAL watch: Who is the favorite?

Nadal vs Federer 2012 AO semi, who is the favorite?

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nadalwon2012

nadalwon2012

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So far, Nadal has:
1st Round- 42 winners, 14 unforced errors, 11 of 13 net approaches.
2nd Round- 36 winners, 17 unforced errors, 18 of 22 net approaches.

While Federer has:
1st Round- 43 winners, 33 unforced errors, 7 of 16 net approaches.
 
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tudwell

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Nadal's obviously the favorite. He's the higher seed, has the advantage in the individual match-up, is currently in better form, etc. If they do meet, I expect Nadal to win in four.
 
Clarky21

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nadalwon2012 said:
Wow! Nadal has won 9 matches in a row over Berdych :shock:
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Yeah,so? Nadal has to get through Lacko and then Isner in order to even get to Berdych. I'm not so sure he will even make it that far with the way he's playing. And Berdych is no pushover and can hit through these molasses courts,and regardless of how many times he has lost to Nadal he still has a very good shot at beating him. You're stuck on when Nadal wasn't a mentally weak mug. Get with the times,dude because Nadal is not the same player he used to be. Not even close.
 
nadalwon2012

nadalwon2012

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Clarky21 said:
Yeah,so? Nadal has to get through Lacko and then Isner in order to even get to Berdych. I'm not so sure he will even make it that far with the way he's playing. And Berdych is no pushover and can hit through these molasses courts,and regardless of how many times he has lost to Nadal he still has a very good shot at beating him. You're stuck on when Nadal wasn't a mentally weak mug. Get with the times,dude because Nadal is not the same player he used to be. Not even close.
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Oh yeah?

Isner had a chance of stretching Nadal before this event began, but no longer has the legs required.

Looks like all your eggs are in the Lacko basket :oops:

Anyway, not long to go now before all will be revealed.
 
Clarky21

Clarky21

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nadalwon2012 said:
Oh yeah?

Isner had a chance of stretching Nadal before this event began, but no longer has the legs required.

Looks like all your eggs are in the Lacko basket :oops:

Anyway, not long to go now before all will be revealed.
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What will be revealed? Maybe another new account for you,Bullzilla? :lol:


And Isner can definitely beat Nadal,and tiredness won't matter considering Nadal can't return for sh*t so there won't be many long rallies. Also,don't forget Lacko baked Nadal a tasty bagel last year in Doha. It's not like he can't at least trouble him quite a bit.
 
nadalwon2012

nadalwon2012

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Clarky21 said:
What will be revealed? Maybe another new account for you,Bullzilla? :lol:


And Isner can definitely beat Nadal,and tiredness won't matter considering Nadal can't return for sh*t so there won't be many long rallies. Also,don't forget Lacko baked Nadal a tasty bagel last year in Doha. It's not like he can't at least trouble him quite a bit.
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Not sure how much you want to look into Lacko at Doha. For example, Monfils beat Nadal twice at Doha (Monfils has never beaten Nadal outside of Doha, it's 8-2 Nadal overall) including 2009 before Nadal lifted the AO title. Also, Nadal beat Lacko 6-2 6-2 6-2 at the 2010 Australian Open.
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Like I said, all will be revealed. You can't stop the future. And Nadal is pretty much the grim reaper in your future....
 
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joeri888

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Clarky is a total idiot.

Nadal is obviously the favourite for that one and Federer, with probably Tomic and especially Del Potro before that, has way more chance of going out before that semi happens. Then it's a best of five match with Nadal. There's no way Federer is the favourite for that one.
 
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nadalwon2012 vs Clarky21 is certainly one of the better matchups on these boards.

Two totally contrasting styles. Does make for great 20 shot plus exchanges.
 
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Tony48

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Clarky21 said:
Federer by a mile is the favorite should Nadal even get to him. Nadal will be lucky to take a set.
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At first I was like :lol:

Clarky21 said:
Yeah,so? Nadal has to get through Lacko and then Isner in order to even get to Berdych. I'm not so sure he will even make it that far with the way he's playing. And Berdych is no pushover and can hit through these molasses courts,and regardless of how many times he has lost to Nadal he still has a very good shot at beating him. You're stuck on when Nadal wasn't a mentally weak mug. Get with the times,dude because Nadal is not the same player he used to be. Not even close.
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....and then I was like :shock:
 
Mike Sams

Mike Sams

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Since Nadal has a lopsided H2H in his favor, is a higher seed, and has beaten Federer many more times at Slams, Nadal is certainly the favourite.
 
nadalwon2012

nadalwon2012

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If they meet in this semi and Nadal wins the 1st set, I call curtains. If Federer wins the 1st set, I don't call curtains. That's pretty much the extent of it.
 
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Raz11

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Lacko, I expect a straight set beat down here. Maybe a competitive set or two but nothing else.

Isner, if he could remain 100% then he can definitely win a set or two. If he can push Nadal to 5 sets at RG then why not here. Will most likely be played during the day so the hot conditions will make his serves even harder to deal with.

Berdych, even though the last couple of matches would suggest that Nadal would crush Berdych, I think Berdych can definitely win a set or two here as well. Maybe not cause an upset but he was able to win a set off him at Miami so he has a chance. Everyone thought Berdych would never beat Federer after losing to him 5 years straight but then all of a sudden, Berdych starts to beat him regularly and eventually he convincingly beat Federer at Wimbledon. So don't be surprised if Berdych causes an upset there.

Federer, they have only player one grand slam match on HC and that went the distance. But that was a long time ago and things have definitely changed. I wold favor Nadal because of his Match up advantage and being in his prime HC years. But they haven't played enough matches in this situation and conditions so anything can happen here. Federer is still one of the best HC players of all time, regardless of who he is playing so he will always have a good chance against anyone. But I expect to see Nadal at this year's final.
 
_maxi

_maxi

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Please: *********s, *******s, *************, etc. Do NOT take Clarky21's posts seriously. The guy is a troll. He is possibly a Nadal **** that is just having some fun. Nadal is the clear favourite, he is playing better. Federer will be lucky to win one set if they meet on this court I think.
 
zagor

zagor

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Nadal by a mile.

Fed has no chance with his worse than WTA serve, short balls, sluggish movement and bad back.

Nadal is already in the final, this poll is more of a formality than anything else.
 
nadalwon2012

nadalwon2012

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I agree Raz, I saw Isner as a threat too. He still may be, but only if he avoids another marathon in 3rd round.

Berdych has absolutely nothing that can hurt Nadal. Even the Berdych serve, simply doesn't hurt Nadal. Nadal has won 9 straight over Berdych, and only dropped 1 set in those 9 meetings. It's quite different to Federer-Berdych, where Berdych beat Federer at Wimbledon and its closer h2h at 10-4.
 
sheq

sheq

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We dont have accurate datas in terms of federer's current form. Still he has not lost ofically since US Open, and he beat nadal really bad on the last meeting.
Last of all we might evaluate circumstance when pair meet after a couple of more mathes being played.
 
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Raz11

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nadalwon2012 said:
Berdych has absolutely nothing that can hurt Nadal. Even the Berdych serve, simply doesn't hurt Nadal. Nadal has won 9 straight over Berdych, and only dropped 1 set in those 9 meetings. It's quite different to Federer-Berdych, where Berdych beat Federer at Wimbledon and its closer h2h at 10-4.
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Federer was completely dominating Berdych before that Wimbledon and was leading their h2h 8 - 2 at that point. After 2004 Athens, Berdych failed to win a single set for the next 7 matches but eventually Berdych slowly started to win his first set at 2009 AO, then his first match at 2010 Miami and finally that Wimbledon. Everyone thought Berdych had nothing to trouble Federer but nothing is ever certain. It may not be here but sometime in the future, Berdych will beat Nadal. It took Soderling at least 10 tries before he finally took out Federer, same thing will happen with Berdych and Nadal.
 
sheq

sheq

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Raz11 said:
Federer was completely dominating Berdych before that Wimbledon and was leading their h2h 8 - 2 at that point. After 2004 Athens, Berdych failed to win a single set for the next 7 matches but eventually Berdych slowly started to win his first set at 2009 AO, then his first match at 2010 Miami and finally that Wimbledon. Everyone thought Berdych had nothing to trouble Federer but nothing is ever certain. It may not be here but sometime in the future, Berdych will beat Nadal. It took Soderling at least 10 tries before he finally took out Federer, same thing will happen with Berdych and Nadal.
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I agree Berdych has a lot of potantial to hurt Nadal you know his attacikng game when he is on.
 
sbengte

sbengte

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Only a Rafa hater can even ask this question because asking such a question is tantamount to a serious insult to peak Rafa.

So you want to know "IF" peak Rafa is the favorite or not against this grandpa with a broken back who is 5 years his senior and who hasn't won a match against Rafa at a slam for nearly 5 years, who was reduced to tears by Rafa the last time they met on this surface AND who has always been Rafa's pigeon as the H2H shows ?

Seriously ? Peak Ralph may let gramps win about 8 games in the match for old times' sake if (and that is a big IF) he makes it past Karlovic and Delpotro to meet Ralph in the semis.
 
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There is only one man who can crush Peak Rafa in a slam. And that man is not named Federer. :)
 
sheq

sheq

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From where all these "peak nadal" words come ? Are we missing something or what ? Nadal has only played 5 matches and he lost the only real test.
 
zagor

zagor

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MichaelNadal said:
Uh, say what?
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Even Kvitova serves better than brokeback Fed these days LOL! His movement is also total crap, he barely reaches/puts into play routine rally shots from his opponent. His ROS makes every journeyman out there look like Sampras or Goran. Anyone denying Fed is in ultra/massive/gigantic/gargantuan one hell of a decline is obviously having ulterior motives.

If by some unprecedented miracle he manages to get past Karlovic/Tomic/Delpo he'll be extremely lucky to take 3 games overall off peak Nadal.
 
zagor

zagor

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sheq said:
From where all these "peak nadal" words come ? Are we missing something or what ? Nadal has only played 5 matches and he lost the only real test.
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I haven't the slightest idea.

Regarding the only real test, he also lost to Monfils in straights in Doha in 2009 and went on to win AO afterwards so...
 
sheq

sheq

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zagor said:
I haven't the slightest idea.

Regarding the only real test, he also lost to Monfils in straights in Doha in 2009 and went on to win AO afterwards so...
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You are right, I had forgot it :/ Still its not a throughput to say Nadal is on top form. It might be just a superstition :)
 
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celoft

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If it is indoors, Fed wins.

Outdoors, Nad wins.

Look at their Miami match last year.

In the final, if Nadal reaches it, Djokovic will spank him in 3. Unless Murray or Tsonga stop Djokovic but I doubt it.

Maybe Djokovic wins the AO without losing a set like Federer in 2007.
 
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borg number one

borg number one

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We'll see if they both get there. I'd favor Nadal going into that match. Yet, I think Federer could win that match. Things can change quickly in tennis though. The winner of a Federer-Nadal semifinal would not be easy to overcome in the final. I would not underestimate the ability of either Federer or Nadal to eventually win this AO. Having said that, Djokovic does look so much more mature, relaxed, and experienced now during his matches. He doesn't allow short bad patches of play to completely turn the tide against him in matches. He weathers storms pretty well, like a veteran should. Let's see who gets to the SF first though. If we get #1-#4, it would be great. At least that's what I'd like to see.
 
Castiel

Castiel

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As big as a fan I am, I just can't deny the fact that Nadal has the advantage in almost everything, seems to be in good form, beat Federer the last 5 times they met in a slam and so on and on...
It's just a bad match up for Federer and nothing else needs to be said, Nadal again and again finds a way to exploit Fed's backhand, and then comes the so called mental weakness and bla bla bla bla... so yeah, Nadal is the favorite.
HOWEVER, federer is still one of the greatest hard-court players ever, he likes this surface, it fits him better than it fits nadal, so yeah, if federer brings his best form we could enjoy a 5 set thriller so buckle up fellas... do not lament fed yet.
 
nadalwon2012

nadalwon2012

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celoft said:
If it is indoors, Fed wins.

Outdoors, Nad wins.

Look at their Miami match last year.

In the final, if Nadal reaches it, Djokovic will spank him in 3. Unless Murray or Tsonga stop Djokovic but I doubt it.

Maybe Djokovic wins the AO without losing a set like Federer in 2007.
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For sure, anything less than the AO title is a failing for Djokovic, a MAJOR failing akin to a prime Federer loss at Wimbledon.
 
TTMR

TTMR

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I hate to be the one to tell you, but jinxing doesn't exist, Nadal fans. You can predict Nadal to win, and if Federer does, it doesn't mean Federer won because you predicted Nadal.

The reality is Nadal is the clear favourite for the title after Djokovic. Another reality is Nadal had a great 2011. His hard court game is as good as ever, and longing for the days of 2008 or before would leave your hero bereft of the improvements he has made on the surface, even if his movement is slightly less impressive than when he was a teenager. If Nadal has declined, it somehow managed to occur in the relatively short time period after the USO. You know, the period in which Nadal typically struggles year after year, that happens to coincide with the indoor season.

You could argue Federer has a better chance against Nadal at the FO with the light Babolat balls than on a slow hard court with the thick fluffy balls. And, if Federer does win, it does not mean Nadal's career is over. It would simply mean Federer was better on that day.
 
nadalwon2012

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Jinxing? People believe in that? As far as I'm concerned, its not even a word. I agree, Nadal was extremely good on hardcourt in 2011. He's won Indian Wells a couple of times before, but 2011 was the first year he made Indian Wells AND Miami final together. He didn't look great at Canada and Cincy, but he didn't train until Canada, because of the Wimbledon foot injury so he was off the pace until he found it at US Open (though he may still have been a bit underdone stamina wise which cost him in the final).
 
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TTMR

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nadalwon2012 said:
Jinxing? People believe in that? As far as I'm concerned, its not even a word. I agree, Nadal was extremely good on hardcourt in 2011. He's won Indian Wells a couple of times before, but 2011 was the first year he made Indian Wells AND Miami final together. He didn't look great at Canada and Cincy, but he didn't train until Canada, because of the Wimbledon foot injury so he was off the pace until he found it at US Open (though he may still have been a bit underdone stamina wise which cost him in the final).
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I know you are too reasonable to believe in jinxing, but other vocal Nadal fans on here clearly do, and they were foretelling the apocalypse in the Haas match thread the other night, despite the fact Nadal played well.
 
Towser83

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mandy01 said:
LOL @ Clarky :lol:
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I am actually dissapointed with Clarky, she's not improving her level anymore. She needs to start claiming that Nadal will not be able to win a single point against a 5 year old girl. Claiming that Lacko and Isner will beat him is good, but she needs to up her level of ridiculous and funny fairly soon.

Hitman said:
nadalwon2012 vs Clarky21 is certainly one of the better matchups on these boards.

Two totally contrasting styles. Does make for great 20 shot plus exchanges.
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hahaha. Good one.
 
nadalwon2012

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Pikacu said:
You don't care who wins the semi Murray-Djokovic? :lol: :lol:
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I like Murray 10 times more than Djokovic but I prefer Djokovic wins because Nadal would be better off turning the head2head around sooner rather than later. He will have to play Djokovic at some stage in a slam, so it might as well be on Djokovic's favorite surface (because if Nadal wins it hurts Djokovic a lot more than it would at the other slams. And if Nadal loses nothing is lost, because he was already losing to Djokovic even at Wimbledon).
 
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celoft

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nadalwon2012 said:
I like Murray 10 times more than Djokovic but I prefer Djokovic wins because Nadal would be better off turning the head2head around sooner rather than later. He will have to play Djokovic at some stage in a slam, so it might as well be on Djokovic's favorite surface (because if Nadal wins it hurts Djokovic a lot more than it would at the other slams. And if Nadal loses nothing is lost, because he was already losing to Djokovic even at Wimbledon).
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The only way Nad wins another slam is if he avoids Djokovic.
 
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Tammo

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I don't think Fed will even get past Karlovic tonight, an d Nadal might not get past Isner if they play.
 
nadalwon2012

nadalwon2012

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Tammo said:
I don't think Fed will even get past Karlovic tonight, an d Nadal might not get past Isner if they play.
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And Isner might not get past Lopez, he's that good. Isner has never beaten Nadal, and even though Isner took 2 sets from Nadal at RG, Nadal won the remainder of the match in very lopsided fashion almost as if Nadal didn't have his head in the game until he was down.
 
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