Jeez!! If Fed beats Andy he'll be only 1700 pts behind Rafa

Agassifan · Mar 2, 2012

Fed only defends 1350 (pre-french) + 1200 (french) + 360 (wimbledon)
Rafa to defend 3900 (pre-french) + 2000 (french) + 1200 (wimbledon)

Heck, he'll be 4600 points behind Nole
Nole to defend 4250 (pre-french) + 720 (french) + 2000 (wimbledon)
and Nole has to defend 3600 points by the end of the USO.

Not suggesting he'll get to #2 or #1, but there is a non-trivial possibility. If Rafa doesn't win the French, he'll likely lose #2 to Fed.

DjokovicForTheWin · Mar 2, 2012

All depends on how well he does at IW, Miami.

Towser83 · Mar 2, 2012

DjokovicForTheWin said:
All depends on how well he does at IW, Miami.

Yeah Federer is defending semis in both IWand Miami which is actually pretty hard to beat given his record at both events since 2006. Then he can pick up more points in MC and Rome but so can Nadal at Rome and Madrid and then Federe has RG finalist points to defend. So it's still pretty tough unless nadal bails out early in the next couple of masters.

Having said all this I think Dubai is Murray's title, Federer oly beats him in slams and WTF

DjokovicForTheWin · Mar 2, 2012

Towser83 said:
Yeah Federer is defending semis in both IWand Miami which is actually pretty hard to beat given his record at both events since 2006. Then he can pick up more points in MC and Rome but so can Nadal at Rome and Madrid and then Federe has RG finalist points to defend. So it's still pretty tough unless nadal bails out early in the next couple of masters.

Having said all this I think Dubai is Murray's title, Federer oly beats him in slams and WTF

It's a pretty quick court. Roger will have his chances for tomorrow.

monfed · Mar 2, 2012

Fed isn't improving his IW and Miami results, I don't think.
IW I can atleast entertain thoughts but Miami? Not a chance!

mandy01 · Mar 2, 2012

monfed said:
Fed isn't improving his IW and Miami results, I don't think.
IW I can atleast entertain thoughts but Miami? Not a chance!

I'm not sure if he'll even play Miami. And Nadal will have to lose before finals at IW & Miami plus maybe have a really off result at one of the masters for Roger to have any shot at all. I think Roger will only have a chance if he really picks up at Wimbledon-something he hasn't done for the past couple of years.

ThoughtCrime · Mar 2, 2012

Yeah, but isn't this kind of a spoiler thread?

Murrayalmagrofan · Mar 2, 2012

This thread is based around a big "IF". Murray is on his game right now....

Agassifan · Mar 2, 2012

Murrayalmagrofan said:
This thread is based around a big "IF". Murray is on his game right now....

No.. the IF is really small and worth only 200 points.

All-rounder · Mar 2, 2012

Federer has to win a major if he wants to even think about top 2 ever again in his career.

Agassifan · Mar 2, 2012

All-rounder said:
Federer has to win a major if he wants to even think about top 2 ever again in his career.

Not necessary at all. If Rafa loses the FO, he'll lose #2.

Daized · Mar 2, 2012

If Fed avoids Nadal anything is possible.

jackson vile · Mar 2, 2012

Agassifan said:
Fed only defends 1350 (pre-french) + 1200 (french) + 360 (wimbledon)
Rafa to defend 3900 (pre-french) + 2000 (french) + 1200 (wimbledon)

Heck, he'll be 4600 points behind Nole
Nole to defend 4250 (pre-french) + 720 (french) + 2000 (wimbledon)
and Nole has to defend 3600 points by the end of the USO.

Not suggesting he'll get to #2 or #1, but there is a non-trivial possibility. If Rafa doesn't win the French, he'll likely lose #2 to Fed.

Just think, last year at this same time all his fans were whining how it was the end of Federer and how he should just retire.

However, now they are licking their chops thinking that he could possibly capture the #2 spot at some point. Last year he said he was happy that the hardcourt season was over, now he is having a "ball". Plenty of points for Federer to "racket" up right now.

As you can see Federer is not some washed up old man past his prime.

merlinpinpin · Mar 2, 2012

All-rounder said:
Federer has to win a major if he wants to even think about top 2 ever again in his career.

Clearly not. Mathematically, he can easily be #2 before RG if Nadal has a bad patch.

But anyway, he probably doesn't care about #2, except as a stepping-stone for a shot at #1. And for *that*, he sure needs a slam...

CMM · Mar 2, 2012

Is Monte Carlo on his schedule?
I'm surprised he chose to play so much this month (Davis Cup, Rotterdam, Dubai + the Roddick exho).

Cup8489 · Mar 2, 2012

jackson vile said:
Just think, last year at this same time all his fans were whining how it was the end of Federer and how he should just retire.

However, now they are licking their chops thinking that he could possibly capture the #2 spot at some point. Last year he said he was happy that the hardcourt season was over, now he is having a "ball". Plenty of points for Federer to "racket" up right now.

As you can see Federer is not some washed up old man past his prime.

Just think if jackson_vile actually posted something other than hateful garbage.

monfed · Mar 2, 2012

Cup8489 said:
Just think if jackson_vile actually posted something other than hateful garbage.

Actually the fault is yours,Cup, for entertaining such thoughts!

TMF · Mar 2, 2012

Agassifan said:
Not necessary at all. If Rafa loses the FO, he'll lose #2.

If Nadal loses his #2, watch his fans(e.g. lolvile) start flooding this forum about Nadal decline immensely and Fed playing peak tennis.

DjokovicForTheWin · Mar 2, 2012

Nadal is 25, he wouldn't be in decline even if he fell to #5. It would only be a testament to his capability as a tennis player.

niff · Mar 2, 2012

CMM said:
Is Monte Carlo on his schedule?
I'm surprised he chose to play so much this month (Davis Cup, Rotterdam, Dubai + the Roddick exho).

No, it isn't.

Can't guess whether he'll add it or not. He should have played in 2010 when he was close to the Sampras no.1 record, but didn't. There's the Rome-Madrid double fortnight to prepare for this year too.

tusharlovesrafa · Mar 2, 2012

DjokovicForTheWin said:
All depends on how well he does at IW, Miami.

Muzza is the GOAT of Master 1000 tourneys on hard courts..He'll humiliate poor fed!!

dudeski · Mar 2, 2012

jackson vile said:
Just think, last year at this same time all his fans were whining how it was the end of Federer and how he should just retire.

However, now they are licking their chops thinking that he could possibly capture the #2 spot at some point. Last year he said he was happy that the hardcourt season was over, now he is having a "ball". Plenty of points for Federer to "racket" up right now.

As you can see Federer is not some washed up old man past his prime.

Actually, it just shows we are in a weak area when a nearing retirement 4 years past his prime Federer can still get deep in almost every tournament. 2004 - 2007 on the other hand, now that was a strong area! I can't imagine this Federer making a single final back then.

Biscuitmcgriddleson · Mar 2, 2012

jackson vile said:
Just think, last year at this same time all his fans were whining how it was the end of Federer and how he should just retire.

However, now they are licking their chops thinking that he could possibly capture the #2 spot at some point. Last year he said he was happy that the hardcourt season was over, now he is having a "ball". Plenty of points for Federer to "racket" up right now.

As you can see Federer is not some washed up old man past his prime.

Can you show us the posts? You've been known to pull things out of where the sun don't shine for fun.

Also, you sure that you're not mistaking Federer's 2009
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-wrap-thank-god-the-hard-court-season-is-over

or 2010 comments regarding the hard court season?

http://allineedisapicketfence.wordp...otes-thank-god-the-hard-court-season-is-over/

Towser83 · Mar 2, 2012

DjokovicForTheWin said:
It's a pretty quick court. Roger will have his chances for tomorrow.

Yeah I do like the court speed, on the other hand I remember the match Fed lost to Murray in Dubai and from what I can remember, aside from Fed making too many errors, Murray served really well like he did today and when Murray gets a lot of first serves in he's pretty hard to break. Just get a feeling Fed will make too many errors, but I hope I'm wrong.

dudeski · Mar 2, 2012

Towser83 said:
Yeah I do like the court speed, on the other hand I remember the match Fed lost to Murray in Dubai and from what I can remember, aside from Fed making too many errors, Murray served really well like he did today and when Murray gets a lot of first serves in he's pretty hard to break. Just get a feeling Fed will make too many errors, but I hope I'm wrong.

It's quite ok if a 4 years past his prime and nearly retired Federer loses to a peak Murray. Like I said, I can't imagine this Federer even making a final during the strong 2004-2007 area.

Tony48 · Mar 2, 2012

Murray is defending nothing. He's the most likely candidate to rise to #2.

jackson vile · Mar 2, 2012

All-rounder said:
Federer has to win a major if he wants to even think about top 2 ever again in his career.

Stranger things have happened, Federer just maybe the opportunist and we saw what Nadal and Novak can do regarding each other. You can only play so many grueling matches like that before your body simply can't keep up anymore.

PollyBallGirl · Mar 2, 2012

When does rafael nadalogram get the number 1 ranking? Must be soon because djokovic is defending champ of everything so if djokovic keeps losing to murray/federer then its like 'rafael nadalogram world number 1 for 103rd week.'

Clarky21 · Mar 2, 2012

PollyBallGirl said:
When does rafael nadalogram get the number 1 ranking? Must be soon because djokovic is defending champ of everything so if djokovic keeps losing to murray/federer then its like 'rafael nadalogram world number 1 for 103rd week.'

He doesn't. There's your answer.

FlamEnemY · Mar 2, 2012

OP, you have a very loose definition of "only."

PollyBallGirl · Mar 2, 2012

Clarky21 said:
He doesn't. There's your answer.

But rafael nadalogram is number 2 already so i thought 1 is next.

celoft · Mar 2, 2012

merlinpinpin said:
Mathematically, he can easily be #2 before RG if Nadal has a bad patch.

But anyway, he probably doesn't care about #2, except as a stepping-stone for a shot at #1. And for *that*, he sure needs a slam...

I concur.................

MichaelNadal · Mar 2, 2012

Agassifan said:
Not necessary at all. If Rafa loses the FO, he'll lose #2.

Are u forgetting Federer was in that final?

Towser83 · Mar 2, 2012

Thinking about it you have

Masters wins - Nadal = 1 Federer = 1

Slams - Nadal = 1 Federer = 0

BUT Federer won WTF which is only 500 points less than a slam.

Nadal has 3 losing slam finals to Federer's 1 (in last 12 months) and 4 masters finals compared to none. Federer has 2 500 titles to Nadal's 1.

So really points wise they are not that far apart, as crazy as it is. That RG win was huge. If Federer had won that he would be pretty close to Number 2, so if he was to win a slam and nadal didn't it is very possible he could overtake him which seems odd, but it will need Djokovic to keep beating Nadal and keep titles out of his hands.

zagor · Mar 2, 2012

jackson vile said:
Just think, last year at this same time all his fans were whining how it was the end of Federer and how he should just retire.

You're confusing Fed fans with Nadal fans. Whether it's the end of Fed or not regarding winning slams the vast majority of his fans want to see him play as long as possible.

We enjoy his tennis game first and foremost, something you'll never really understand.

jackson vile said:
However, now they are licking their chops thinking that he could possibly capture the #2 spot at some point.

Yes, one fan made a thread saying there's a non trivial possibility of Fed getting to #2 spot is all the Fed fans licking their chops.

Clueless as usual.

jackson vile said:
Last year he said he was happy that the hardcourt season was over, now he is having a "ball". Plenty of points for Federer to "racket" up right now.

He said that 4 years ago so no.

jackson vile said:
As you can see Federer is not some washed up old man past his prime.

Fed will turn 31 this year. According to you players decline at the age of 24-25 (which would make Fed 6 years removed from his peak) so again you predictably contradict your own nonsense.

PollyBallGirl · Mar 2, 2012

zagor said:
You're confusing Fed fans with Nadal fans. Whether it's the end of Fed or not regarding winning slams the vast majority of his fans want to see him play as long as possible.

Are there really rafael nadalogram fans that want him retired? He makes every slam final. No way would anyone want him retired. He could win heaps of slams now if djokovic is failing.

DjokovicForTheWin · Mar 2, 2012

PollyBallGirl said:
Are there really rafael nadalogram fans that want him retired? He makes every slam final. No way would anyone want him retired. He could win heaps of slams now if djokovic is failing.

They don't want it, they whine about it just because Nadal is no longer winning everything, despite reaching every final.

PollyBallGirl · Mar 2, 2012

DjokovicForTheWin said:
They don't want it, they whine about it just because Nadal is no longer winning everything, despite reaching every final.

Yep well everyone has a nemesis and djokovic became nadal's nemesis. Only person i can think of that never had a nemesis was pete sampras.

tennis_pro · Mar 2, 2012

He basically has to do at least as well in IW/Miami (or better) as he did a year ago and Nadal has to slip at the same time. The good news is that Fed's in good form while Nadal could be rusty in Indian Wells after a 5 week+ break.

tennis_pro · Mar 2, 2012

PollyBallGirl said:
Yep well everyone has a nemesis and djokovic became nadal's nemesis. Only person i can think of that never had a nemesis was pete sampras.

On the other hand what would his h2h against Nadal look like if he played 14 times on clay against him + 3 times on slow grass and a bunch of a joke clay-speed-like hard courts? Hell, Sampras would be 0-14 down just from the clay encounters.

Eternity · Mar 2, 2012

Tony48 said:
Murray is defending nothing. He's the most likely candidate to rise to #2.

I agree. Why is all the talk about Fed becoming no. 2? Murray seems just as likely.

DjokovicForTheWin · Mar 2, 2012

PollyBallGirl said:
Yep well everyone has a nemesis and djokovic became nadal's nemesis. Only person i can think of that never had a nemesis was pete sampras.

Yeah Pete didn't have a nemesis in the form of a single player, his nemesis was an entire surface and countless nobodies who beat him there.

PollyBallGirl · Mar 2, 2012

Feels weird to know rafael nadalogram will be fresh and rested. Good idea not to play in feb.

PollyBallGirl · Mar 2, 2012

DjokovicForTheWin said:
Yeah Pete didn't have a nemesis in the form of a single player, his nemesis was an entire surface and countless nobodies who beat him there.

Good point i never though of it that way (clay)

zagor · Mar 2, 2012

Tony48 said:
Murray is defending nothing. He's the most likely candidate to rise to #2.

This.

10 chars.

celoft · Mar 2, 2012

Pete's nemesis was clay.

Wake me up when Nadal wins something off clay.

Lendl · Mar 2, 2012

Rafa will pass Djokovic before Roger passes Rafa.

Agassifan said:
Fed only defends 1350 (pre-french) + 1200 (french) + 360 (wimbledon)
Rafa to defend 3900 (pre-french) + 2000 (french) + 1200 (wimbledon)

Heck, he'll be 4600 points behind Nole
Nole to defend 4250 (pre-french) + 720 (french) + 2000 (wimbledon)
and Nole has to defend 3600 points by the end of the USO.

Not suggesting he'll get to #2 or #1, but there is a non-trivial possibility. If Rafa doesn't win the French, he'll likely lose #2 to Fed.

tennis_pro · Mar 2, 2012

PollyBallGirl said:
Good point i never though of it that way (clay)

Yeah, the *********s here think that Federer would actually be a "better player" overall if he sucked on clay thus miss all the clay encounters against Nadal and had a positive h2h against him, instead of making countless finals only losing to one man who happens to be the clay GOAT.

PollyBallGirl · Mar 2, 2012

tennis_pro said:
Yeah, the *********s here think that Federer would actually be a "better player" overall if he sucked on clay thus miss all the clay encounters against Nadal and had a positive h2h against him, instead of making countless finals only losing to one man who happens to be the clay GOAT.

Federer will probably get mad big praise for his french slam finals more after he retires and people don't see them as losses so much. I think federer must have made more french finals than almost everyone ever which is a big achievement. He might make like 3 more the way he is playing!

celoft · Mar 2, 2012

PollyBallGirl said:
Federer will probably get mad big praise for his french slam finals more after he retires and people don't see them as losses so much. I think federer must have made more french finals than almost everyone ever which is a big achievement. He might make like 3 more the way he is playing!

Borg and Nadal with 6 are the only ones with more FO finals than Federer.:shock:

Lendl, Wilander and Federer have 5 FO finals.

Jeez!! If Fed beats Andy he'll be only 1700 pts behind Rafa

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