Federer-Nadal Rivalry Since 2009 Australian Open Final

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After his crushing defeat to Nadal in the 2009 Australian Open final, I thought Federer would never defeat Nadal again. However, since that match, the head to head record is 5-5. This is incredible considering that Federer's peak ended in 2007 and Nadal's started in 2008.
 
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McEnroeisanartist said:
After his crushing defeat to Nadal in the 2009 Australian Open final, I thought Federer would never defeat Nadal again. However, since that match, the head to head record is 5-5. This is incredible considering that Federer's peak ended in 2007 and Nadal's started in 2008.
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5-4 to Nadal.

Here's the whole head-to-head.

Rafael Nadal 18-10 Roger Federer
2004 Miami R32: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 6-3)
2005 Miami F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (2-6, 6-7, 7-6, 6-3, 6-1)
2005 French Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3)
2006 Dubai F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (2-6, 6-4, 6-4)
2006 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-2, 6-7, 6-3, 7-6)
2006 Rome F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 2-6, 7-6)
2006 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (1-6, 6-1, 6-4, 7-6)
2006 Wimbledon F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-0, 7-6, 6-7, 6-3)
2006 Masters Cup SF: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 7-5)
2007 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4)
2007 Hamburg F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (2-6, 6-2, 6-0)
2007 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-3, 6-4)
2007 Wimbledon F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (7-6, 4-6, 7-6, 2-6, 6-2)
2007 Masters Cup SF: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 6-1)
2008 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-5)
2008 Hamburg F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 6-7, 6-3)
2008 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-1, 6-3, 6-0)
2008 Wimbledon F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4, 6-7, 6-7, 9-7)
2009 Australian Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 3-6, 7-6, 3-6, 6-2)
2009 Madrid F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 6-4)
2010 Madrid F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-4, 7-6)
2010 World Tour Finals F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 3-6, 6-1)
2011 Miami SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 6-2)
2011 Madrid SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (5-7, 6-1, 6-3)
2011 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-6, 5-7, 6-1)
2011 World Tour Finals RR: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-0)
2012 Australian Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-7, 6-2, 7-6, 6-4)
2012 Indian Wells SF: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-4)

Hardcourt: 6-5 to Federer
Clay: 12-2 to Nadal
Grass: 2-1 to Federer
Carpet: 0-0
In Majors: 8-2 to Nadal
 
nadalwon2012

nadalwon2012

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Federer hasn't defeated Nadal at a slam since 2007. Nadal gets him where it hurts!

Since 2007:
Nadal d Federer Roland Garros 2008.
Nadal d Federer Wimbledon 2008.
Nadal d Federer Australian Open 2009.
Nadal d Federer Roland Garros 2011.
Nadal d Federer Australian Open 2012.
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Wow, 5-0!
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Rafael Nadal: The True Artist.
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Towser83

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wow i didn't even realise it was that close since that match. Crazy. When you think about it at the end of 2007 the H2H was 8-6 to Nadal, and since 2009 AO it's 5-4 to Nadal, so that 5 match run with 4 wins in 2008 and the AO in 2009 really put the distance between them. Very interesting.
 
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Towser83 said:
wow i didn't even realise it was that close since that match. Crazy. When you think about it at the end of 2007 the H2H was 8-6 to Nadal, and since 2009 AO it's 5-4 to Nadal, so that 5 match run with 4 wins in 2008 and the AO in 2009 really put the distance between them. Very interesting.
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Clutching at straws comes to mind. Nadal once led 6-1 and 13-6, and it's now 18-10, an even greater margin. Plus, 8-2 to Nadal in majors.
 
nadalwon2012

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It's not close. Nadal has won their last 5 slam encounters. It's crazy-lopsided. It's like Murray vs Federer. Close outside of the slams, but lopsided in the slam h2h.
 
kragster

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Mustard said:
Clutching at straws comes to mind. Nadal once led 6-1 and 13-6, and it's now 18-10, an even greater margin. Plus, 8-2 to Nadal in majors.
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I don't think it's clutching at straws, I think it was just an observation and a valid one. Obviously that doesn't mean the H2H is even or anything but I see nothing wrong in the observation itself.
 
nadalwon2012

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The h2h has become more and more lopsided, with Nadal winning the last 5 slam encounters. In the early years, the slam h2h was 3-2 (up until 2007).
 
Mustard

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Well, there's only 4 matches where Nadal has dominated Federer, which are 2004 Miami, 2007 Monte Carlo, 2008 French Open and 2011 Miami.
 
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tudwell

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nadalwon2012 said:
The h2h has become more and more lopsided, with Nadal winning the last 5 slam encounters. In the early years, the slam h2h was 3-2 (up until 2007).
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Yeah, but a 25-year-old Nadal beating a 30-year-old Federer on a slow outdoor hard court in best of 5 is to be expected, isn't it? Federer definitely could have won Wimbledon 2008 or AO 2009 and kept the head-to-head more respectable, but anything that happens now is not really indicative of Federer's top level of play.

Nadal owns Federer regardless, but seeing that become exacerbated by Federer's age isn't some amazing triumph.
 
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nadalwon2012 said:
The h2h has become more and more lopsided, with Nadal winning the last 5 slam encounters. In the early years, the slam h2h was 3-2 (up until 2007).
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It would likely be different if Nadal had consistently reached the finals of majors besides the French Open.
 
nadalwon2012

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SStrikerR said:
It would likely be different if Nadal had consistently reached the finals of majors besides the French Open.
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Federer sure isn't. Nadal has reached 7 of the last 8 slam finals. Federer has been rubbish at the slams by comparison of the last 2 years, making just 1 final.
 
OddJack

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Towser83 said:
wow i didn't even realise it was that close since that match. Crazy. When you think about it at the end of 2007 the H2H was 8-6 to Nadal, and since 2009 AO it's 5-4 to Nadal, so that 5 match run with 4 wins in 2008 and the AO in 2009 really put the distance between them. Very interesting.
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yeah just take that 08 out of h2h and not much is left. That's the year he lost to many low ranked players as well.
 
DarthFed

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nadalwon2012 said:
Federer sure isn't. Nadal has reached 7 of the last 8 slam finals. Federer has been rubbish at the slams by comparison of the last 2 years, making just 1 final.
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So? He has 16 majors, he only needed 15, the AO was a troll, any major he gets after 15 was a troll. He's got nothing left to prove, the salt from Nadals loss is still there i see
 
nadalwon2012

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DarthFed said:
So? He has 16 majors, he only needed 15, the AO was a troll, any major he gets after 15 was a troll. He's got nothing left to prove, the salt from Nadals loss is still there i see
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5-0 at slams since 2007. How can anyone be unhappy with that? See, when Nadal beats Federer it will often result in Nadal winning a slam. That puts Nadal closer to 16 slams. If Nadal wins one slam, he needs 5. If Nadal wins 2 slams, he needs 4 etc. You really think Indian Wells means something compared to slams? The only h2h I care about is at the slams.

All I'm doing is answering the thread :D
 
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drakulie

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nadalwon2012 said:
Federer sure isn't. Nadal has reached 7 of the last 8 slam finals. Federer has been rubbish at the slams by comparison of the last 2 years, making just 1 final.
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Nadal is definitely a great tennis player. Too bad his parents didn't potty train him. Maybe he would take bathroom breaks before he serves, instead of interrupting his opponents serve. Also, it is not polite to walk around in public with your hand up your ass all the time, and then brushing your hair back. Definitely bad manners.
 
DarthFed

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@Nadalhasntwonshitin2012
Clearly a lot of you are since the collective IQ of the forum has dropped. Sports really do bring out the worst in people, the sad part being it brings out the most worst from people who just spectate as opposed to the people who are actually playing.
 
nadalwon2012

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DarthFed said:
@Nadalhasntwonshitin2012
Clearly a lot of you are since the collective IQ of the forum has dropped. Sports really do bring out the worst in people, the sad part being it brings out the most worst from people who just spectate as opposed to the people who are actually playing.
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^Look who the real troll is. You don't even post about tennis.

BTW does the Olympics count toward the h2h? I would enjoy seeing Nadal have a positive grass h2h vs Federer, by beating him at Wimbledon to make it 2-2 and then the Olympics to make it 3-2.
 
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Lol i barely come here, its full of idiots like you, I come from time to time to see if the collective age of the forum increased from 5 to 6 but i overestimated you guys as usual.
 
Towser83

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Mustard said:
Clutching at straws comes to mind. Nadal once led 6-1 and 13-6, and it's now 18-10, an even greater margin. Plus, 8-2 to Nadal in majors.
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eh?

The 13-6 was after the 5 match streak I'm talking about. The 6-1 had 4 clay matches in there, and to count the 6-1 it's just as much selective counting as picking any other period. What I'm saying was before that 5 math streak Nadal went on it was 8-6 and afterwards it's been 5-4, so that 5 match streak is when nadal really put distance bewteen them that Federer has never broken down.

That's not straw clutching or excuse making that's just a fact.
 
Cup8489

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Towser83 said:
eh?

The 13-6 was after the 5 match streak I'm talking about. The 6-1 had 4 clay matches in there, and to count the 6-1 it's just as much selective counting as picking any other period. What I'm saying was before that 5 math streak Nadal went on it was 8-6 and afterwards it's been 5-4, so that 5 match streak is when nadal really put distance bewteen them that Federer has never broken down.

That's not straw clutching or excuse making that's just a fact.
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It really is surprising how close they've been at times. at the end of 07 I really thought Fed was gonna turn it around in 08.. but then.. well, we all know what happened.
 
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nadalwon2012 said:
Federer sure isn't. Nadal has reached 7 of the last 8 slam finals. Federer has been rubbish at the slams by comparison of the last 2 years, making just 1 final.
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Let me know when Nadal can make 4 major finals in a calendar year let alone 10 in a row. Because that's what Federer was doing at Nadal's age.
 
Towser83

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DjokovicForTheWin said:
It's no coincidence that Nadal's rise in 2008 coincided with Fed's mono that year.
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I don't think Federer mono was 100% of the issue, it robbed him of practice at the start of the season which did set him upbadly but I also think he experience a mentally lull after the pressures of being near unbeatable for 4 years (in fact it started to show in 2007) That combined with losing practise due to mono was a bad combo.

Also I do still think nadal improved. These things were also a bad combo for Federer.
 
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Mustard said:
5-4 to Nadal.

Here's the whole head-to-head.

Rafael Nadal 18-10 Roger Federer
2004 Miami R32: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 6-3)
2005 Miami F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (2-6, 6-7, 7-6, 6-3, 6-1)
2005 French Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3)
2006 Dubai F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (2-6, 6-4, 6-4)
2006 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-2, 6-7, 6-3, 7-6)
2006 Rome F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 2-6, 7-6)
2006 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (1-6, 6-1, 6-4, 7-6)
2006 Wimbledon F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-0, 7-6, 6-7, 6-3)
2006 Masters Cup SF: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 7-5)
2007 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4)
2007 Hamburg F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (2-6, 6-2, 6-0)
2007 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 4-6, 6-3, 6-4)
2007 Wimbledon F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (7-6, 4-6, 7-6, 2-6, 6-2)
2007 Masters Cup SF: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 6-1)
2008 Monte Carlo F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-5)
2008 Hamburg F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 6-7, 6-3)
2008 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-1, 6-3, 6-0)
2008 Wimbledon F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4, 6-7, 6-7, 9-7)
2009 Australian Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 3-6, 7-6, 3-6, 6-2)
2009 Madrid F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-4, 6-4)
2010 Madrid F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-4, 7-6)
2010 World Tour Finals F: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 3-6, 6-1)
2011 Miami SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-3, 6-2)
2011 Madrid SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (5-7, 6-1, 6-3)
2011 French Open F: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-6, 5-7, 6-1)
2011 World Tour Finals RR: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-0)
2012 Australian Open SF: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-7, 6-2, 7-6, 6-4)
2012 Indian Wells SF: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 6-4)
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didn't realize Federer leads the bagel count
 
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nadalwon2012 said:
Federer sure isn't. Nadal has reached 7 of the last 8 slam finals. Federer has been rubbish at the slams by comparison of the last 2 years, making just 1 final.
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Federer did in his prime, just like Nadal is now doing. Federer holds the record for first and second longest streak of consecutive GS finals.
 
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nadalwon2012 said:
The h2h has become more and more lopsided, with Nadal winning the last 5 slam encounters. In the early years, the slam h2h was 3-2 (up until 2007).
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Ah yeah I see. Matches outside of slams don't count. So if you wanna play that game, Nadal was 1-0 in slam finals against Djokovic in early years. Now Djokovic leads 3-1.

But of course Nadal is going to make it 10-3 in slam finals against Djokovic very soon and become #1 for the next 12 years right..
 
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nadalhaswonnothing2012 you better go back to your mom's basement... and while you're at it, suck it on 16 slams and 6 WTFs.
 
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Towser83 said:
I think Federer has only been bagelled twice in about 13 years.Before Nadal did it at the french it was Rafter in about 1999 at RG again.

Mustard can probably confirm whether that's correct
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Probably? Ye of little faith!
 
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DMan

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nadalwon2012 said:
^Look who the real troll is. You don't even post about tennis.

BTW does the Olympics count toward the h2h? I would enjoy seeing Nadal have a positive grass h2h vs Federer, by beating him at Wimbledon to make it 2-2 and then the Olympics to make it 3-2.
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Ain't gonna happen. Then again, how lovely for Nadal that 14 of their 28 matches.....HALF, have been on clay, the surface that heavily favors Nadal. And they've played 3 time son grass, and never on carpet. Even though I thought the London season ending event was on carpet. Even if it was fast hardcourt. SHows you surface does factor in to the H2H result.

Let's say they played 14 time son grass and 3 on clay. Give all 3 clay wins to Nadal, and put their grass H2H per the percentages their current rivalry is: 2-1 for Federer. Federer would be ahead 15-13. Things that make you go hmmmm.......
 
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Towser83 said:
I think Federer has only been bagelled twice in about 13 years.Before Nadal did it at the french it was Rafter in about 1999 at RG again.

Mustard can probably confirm whether that's correct
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Federer has been bagelled just 4 times in his career. The first was against Vincent Spadea at 1999 Monte Carlo, the second was against Patrick Rafter at the 1999 French Open (the first major Federer played in), the third was against Byron Black at 1999 Queen's Club (the only time Federer has played at Queen's Club), and the fourth was against Rafael Nadal at the 2008 French Open.
 
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Mustard

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DMan said:
Ain't gonna happen. Then again, how lovely for Nadal that 14 of their 28 matches.....HALF, have been on clay, the surface that heavily favors Nadal. And they've played 3 time son grass, and never on carpet. Even though I thought the London season ending event was on carpet. Even if it was fast hardcourt. SHows you surface does factor in to the H2H result.

Let's say they played 14 time son grass and 3 on clay. Give all 3 clay wins to Nadal, and put their grass H2H per the percentages their current rivalry is: 2-1 for Federer. Federer would be ahead 15-13. Things that make you go hmmmm.......
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Yet Nadal is 2-0 vs. Federer at the Australian Open.
 
Towser83

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Mustard said:
Federer has been bagelled just 3 times in his career. The first was against Patrick Rafter at the 1999 French Open (the first major Federer played in), the second was against Byron Black at 1999 Queen's Club (the only time Federer has played at Queen's Club), and the third was against Rafael Nadal at the 2008 French Open.
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thanks! i thought rafter was the last before nadal, also didn't know it was only 3 times overall
 
Towser83

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Mustard said:
Yet Nadal is 2-0 vs. Federer at the Australian Open.
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true, but both quite recent, federer had already won 8 of 9 hc slams in 2009. best of 5 hc is 2-1 to nadal. Shame there weren't more meetings earlier on in hc slams, then we'd have a better idea
 
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I agree that surface mastery comes into play when you look at the Fed/Nadal rivalry - Nadal has consistently owned everyone on clay and it also happens to be by far the surface where they've played one another the most. If the encounters were more balanced across all the surfaces then we'd be seeing very different numbers IMO.

Put it this way - if Chris Evert had played Martina Navratilova more times on clay (Evert's best surface just like Nadal) she would almost assuredly have the advantage in their H2H - the thing is they played more on Martina's best surfaces (grass/indoor carpet) hence the 43-37 H2H in Martina's favor.

Nadal is also another of the all time greats and is younger than Fed and can be a bit of a bad matchup for Roger as well - factor in all these things and you have the current H2H.
 
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Towser83 said:
true, but both quite recent, federer had already won 8 of 9 hc slams in 2009. best of 5 hc is 2-1 to nadal. Shame there weren't more meetings earlier on in hc slams, then we'd have a better idea
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Miami and the AO (venues 4/5 hard court wins over Roger) are the two slowest hardcourts on the tour.

Nadal losing to Federer in IW is 100 times worse for his case than if he lost at Cinci/Toronto/UO etc (faster outdoor hard courts).. It immediately questions his game vs Roger's on almost every hard court venue on the tour including how each would have fared if they had met at the US Open.

If Nadal was to win 1 of 10 matches on rebound Ace i'd be surprised.
 
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ledwix said:
Ah yeah I see. Matches outside of slams don't count. So if you wanna play that game, Nadal was 1-0 in slam finals against Djokovic in early years. Now Djokovic leads 3-1.

But of course Nadal is going to make it 10-3 in slam finals against Djokovic very soon and become #1 for the next 12 years right..
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I said Nadal had won the last 5 slam encounters with Federer. That includes the 2012 AO semi-final. I never said anything about slam finals. So to follow the topic of h2h at slams, Nadal leads Djokovic 5-3 at the slams, and the 5 slam matches that Nadal has won includes wins at Roland Garros, Wimbledon and US Open.
 
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Federer will be disappointed he couldn't win the Wimby final 2008 and the AO final 09 when he looks back at them. Nadal jumped out to a big lead early on in their rivalry largely built on their clay results.12 of Nadal's wins on clay, there's the stat right there. Fed would have been favourite to beat Rafa in the US Open 06, 07 for instance, if Nadal had made it far enough in the tournaments. 2-1 to Fed at Wimbledon, but 0-5 down to Rafa at the French and 0-2 at the Aussie. Federer can still beat anyone in the best of 3 sets matches, and he is superior to Rafa indoors too, but needs to be able to beat Rafa in a Slam event again. It's doubtful he can if Nadal is 100%, Nadal has a mental edge over the longer distances in a Grand Slam event and Roger is 30 now. Not quite the same Roger, great start to 2012 all said.
 
Mustard

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ChanceEncounter said:
Incidentally, Nadal was pretty terrible on Rebound Ace. Nadal's success at the AO largely coincided with the switch to Plexicushion.
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Nadal, as a top 5 player, only played 1 Australian Open on Rebound Ace. Nadal has twice lost in the quarter finals on Plexicushion.
 
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