Federer USO 04 final V Nadal USO 10 final - Who wins?
YouCantBeSerious
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That means Federer is on his "A" Game when he plays Nadal less than 36% of the time. I'm wondering if he agrees with that.
YouCantBeSerious
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Tha thing is that 1 match is a statistical anomaly. You can have a player like Rosol which is red hot and lucky take out a superior player like Nadal. that can happen once. It doesn't happen 18 out of 28 times.
YouCantBeSerious
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That could be, but I don't think so. The problem is that the age difference between Fed and Sampras wasn't a mere 4 years, but 10 years instead. That's a huge difference.
YouCantBeSerious
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Yeah, kind of like Nadal 3rd Set of USO 2011.
Federererer
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Hence the 23 consecutive semis being an important component of GOAT.
YouCantBeSerious
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Nobody ever denied Federer has been the most consistent player in the last 10 years.
The thing is, so is Nadal, in different ways. If Nadal wins a slam next year he will have been winning at least 1 slam every year for 9 consecutive years (I think). Not even Fed can equal that.
mellowyellow
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That actually means Fed had to play Djoko and is weakened about 83 percent of the time.
mellowyellow
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But 16 of 19 does.... or is it 17 of 20 now?
YouCantBeSerious
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Djoko hasn't been a factor until 2011, and in that period what you say has only happened once (in RG 2011).
Basically, what you are saying is just a myth.
YouCantBeSerious
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You are being too cryptic. What is the point you are trying to make?
That was a desperation attempt and he ended up losing the 4th set 6-1 against a tired opponent.
Agassi took him to 5 (unless you are talking about the 05 final which was 4 sets, but Agassi was actually in control 1-1, up 4-2 30-0).
And you conveniently ignore the the fact the Nadal made 3 finals. Fed beat Sampras when he was a journeyman...it took him another 2 years to reach the final. 4R or final doesn't matter...it was at a big stage(Wimbledon) on Pete's backyard. Yes the outcome was close, but no one gave Fed a shot against a 4 times defending champions.
And you need a lot of improvement on this department.
That means Nadal is susceptable to losing. If he was consistent and made 23 straight slam semi., he could have avoided the loss against a player ranked 100.
Nole won the AO in 2008. He was already established himself as the #3 in the world in 2007.
Nadal is an early bloomer. His breakout year was in 2005 at 19. In fact, he won 11 titles that year and have never reached that number again.
YouCantBeSerious
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"Desperation attempt" doesn't sound right. But if you insist on using that type of wording, please apply it to every RG final between Federer and Nadal.
Whether Djokovic was tired or not is debatable. I personally think he use a heavy dose of acting, and there is no rule against that.
YouCantBeSerious
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My point is that Fed's victory against Sampras is only meaningful in retrospect. The same way Rosol's victory over Nadal would be if Rosol went on to win 3 Wimbledon titles in a row.
Federer is susceptible to losing too. Against Nadal, he is beyond susceptible as we all know.
Fed has been very consistent because 3 of the slams suit him very well, has been lucky with injuries, and is a world class player.
Nadal in some ways might become more consistent (in number of consecutive years winning at least a slam) if he wins 1 slam next year.
Both players are great.
SLD76
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djoker was rolling in 90-100mph serves in the 4th set, he was tired
but rafa was worse for the wear, he exhausted himself trying to win the third set.
did u even watch that match?
YouCantBeSerious
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SLD76
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rosol's victory is already significant. the guy stopped a 5 time wimbly finalist and a 2 time champion in the second round.
and comparing it fed's victory over sampras is irrelevant. fed was already a talent people were talking about and expecting slams from sooner or later, fed beating sampras was more a harbinger of things to come than a shock the way the rosol defeat of nadal was.
YouCantBeSerious
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Djokovic pretended to be dead almost in the beginning of the 4th. And Nadal dropped the ball. End of story. But the 3th set was quite thrilling.
SLD76
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what does djoko have to do with the initial question???
YouCantBeSerious
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Are we arguing about anything? How is Rosol's victory significant beyond a mere curiosity? As a matter of fact, how was Soderling's RG victory in 09 over Nadal significant? It wasn't. It was an anomaly enabled by a Nadal with severe physical problems who had to skip Wimbledon right after that. Look what happened to Soderling the following year in the final.
YouCantBeSerious
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This thread has become a meandering mess. Carry on.
SLD76
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actually rosol's victory was less of a fluke than soderling
rafa has always struggled in the first week when the grass plays slick and is skidding and low bouncing. it was just the first time his ticket got punched is all.
SLD76
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b.s. djoker's first serve was between 115 and 125 the whole match til the 4th when he was rolling it in between 90 and 100mph. dude was gassed.
its just that rafa was even more exhausted, especially after redlining just to win the 3rd set
YouCantBeSerious
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You didn't see that match, did you? If Federer had played against Rosol the way he played against Bennetteau and Rosol had played the same tennis he played against Nadal in the 5th, Federer would have been toast also (instead of being toasted as the Champion).
SLD76
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I saw that match
and first of all, fed wouldnt have been laying in loopy fh landing short in the box that rosol could crush.
fed has more variety on grass than rafa, im pretty sure he would have used that against rosol.
YouCantBeSerious
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Djokovic pretended to die a few times. I remember they had an undertaker waiting in the sidelines in case he croaked. It was a convincing performance (even if both of them were tired).
SLD76
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so he pretended to serve almost 20mph less in the 4th set compared to the rest of the match
good to know.
YouCantBeSerious
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Whatever. I think Rosol was in the zone in the 5th. He would have won against anyone. Look at the crazy stats.
YouCantBeSerious
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How can you pretend to be dead if you serve 120mph bombs? That's Acting 101.
SLD76
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yeah rosol was in the zone, but rafa's playing in CC mode sure didnt help his cause. laying in loopy fhs short in the box, retrieving and not looking to unload and dictate play, laying in his mediocre slice that bounced up right in the rosol strike zone.
I doubt it that Rosol will make 3 Wimbledon finals in the future, let alone winning it.
But that didn't stop him from making 23 straight semi., or 18 out of 19 finals. I look at the results, not h2h, and that doesn't equate to susceptable to losing.
SLD76
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he wasnt serving 120mph bombs in the 4th
he was rolling in 90-100mph first serves
YouCantBeSerious
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I agree there. But can't blame him for trying. It works 99% of the time.
SLD76
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it works better the second week of wimbledon.
as I said, he has had many troubles with lesser players the first week when the grass is slick. he just got caught this time instead of escaping and outlasting his opponents.
YouCantBeSerious
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YouCantBeSerious
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That was exactly my point. It was part of the act. Or, he took it down one notch as long as Nadal took it down two notches.
YouCantBeSerious
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OK. Why did Fed have such a tough time with Bennetteau?
SLD76
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dude...come on..who would take the risk of being broken laying their serve in if they have the energy to serve bombs? especially against an opponent you know is physically spent?
just stop with the nonsense.
Sure that is at a disavantage for Fed. That means he has to beat both NOle and Nadal to win it all. When he was ranked #1(or #2), most of the times Nole was in Roger's half draw. There were massive discussion about rigged draw, conspiracy. Even the Serbian had to vocal out in public to protect their star player.
SLD76
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nerves.
benny played great, roger was tentative.
it happens.
what does this have to do with anything and what is your point?
you are arguing just to argue now
second of all, roger doesnt have a habit of struggling the first week of wimby against lesser opponents
when the grass is slicker so, what *is* your point exactly???
I'm talking about prime Fed(2004-2007). Any past prime players are susceptable to lose.
BTW, if fed went on to win this Olympics, he will have a winning percentage of ~90 in the last 12 months.
MichaelNadal
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Is your avatar sarcastic or serious? Can't tell if you really like Wendy's/fast food or not. In any case, it makes me hungry as hell everytime I see it!
SLD76
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sometimes u just want a baconator :twisted:
i think the day I changed my avatar I just really wanted a bacon cheeseburger, lol
MichaelNadal
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I can taste it!! Ugh lol. They tore the closest Wendy's to me down and are building a Krispy Kreme there now.
