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G.O.A.T.
I can taste it!! Ugh lol. They tore the closest Wendy's to me down and are building a Krispy Kreme there now.
yeah, there used to be two wendy's near me, both of them were replaced. the closest one now is 45 min away, le sigh.
I can taste it!! Ugh lol. They tore the closest Wendy's to me down and are building a Krispy Kreme there now.
Why would anybody in their sane mind serve faster than they need to?dude...come on..who would take the risk of being broken laying their serve in if they have the energy to serve bombs? especially against an opponent you know is physically spent?
just stop with the nonsense.
If anything, Fed is lucky he hasn't had to play Nadal before finals often throughout his career. I wonder if that will happen now. If it does, Fed might not reach many finals for a while.Sure that is at a disavantage for Fed. That means he has to beat both NOle and Nadal to win it all. When he was ranked #1(or #2), most of the times Nole was in Roger's half draw. There were massive discussion about rigged draw, conspiracy. Even the Serbian had to vocal out in public to protect their star player.
yeah, there used to be two wendy's near me, both of them were replaced. the closest one now is 45 min away, le sigh.
man, we need to just lock this thread, its completely jumped the rails now, rofl
My point is people are putting huge stock on Nadal's defeat as if it means something, when Fed almost lost to a player who didn't play as well as Rosol.nerves.
benny played great, roger was tentative.
it happens.
what does this have to do with anything and what is your point?
you are arguing just to argue now
second of all, roger doesnt have a habit of struggling the first week of wimby against lesser opponents
when the grass is slicker so, what *is* your point exactly???
This "prime" thing gets tiring after a while. But if you want to play, I'd venture to say prime Nadal would defeat prime Federer in any surface (except maybe USO), where I'd give them even chances.I'm talking about prime Fed(2004-2007). Any past prime players are susceptable to lose.
BTW, if fed went on to win this Olympics, he will have a winning percentage of ~90 in the last 12 months.
Would he become "prime" again then?I'm talking about prime Fed(2004-2007). Any past prime players are susceptable to lose.
BTW, if fed went on to win this Olympics, he will have a winning percentage of ~90 in the last 12 months.
Come on, you can do better than that. How many finals has Nadal made in Wimbledon playing his "pusher" game?Only on clay!
On grass players can attack if you are a pusher.
I am surprised you don't prefer "prime" rib.sometimes u just want a baconator :twisted:
i think the day I changed my avatar I just really wanted a bacon cheeseburger, lol
If anything, Fed is lucky he hasn't had to play Nadal before finals often throughout his career. I wonder if that will happen now. If it does, Fed might not reach many finals for a while.
This "prime" thing gets tiring after a while. But if you want to play, I'd venture to say prime Nadal would defeat prime Federer in any surface (except maybe USO), where I'd give them even chances.
Would he become "prime" again then?
Come on, you can do better than that. How many finals has Nadal made in Wimbledon playing his "pusher" game?
The point is grass is not what it used to be. It's baselining territory as usual.
You didn't see that match, did you? If Federer had played against Rosol the way he played against Bennetteau and Rosol had played the same tennis he played against Nadal in the 5th, Federer would have been toast also (instead of being toasted as the Champion).
This "prime" thing gets tiring after a while.
But if you want to play, I'd venture to say prime Nadal would defeat prime Federer in any surface (except maybe USO), where I'd give them even chances.
Would he become "prime" again then?
My point is people are putting huge stock on Nadal's defeat as if it means something, when Fed almost lost to a player who didn't play as well as Rosol.
Just bringing a different point of view.
So Fed isn't allow to past his prime but other players are allowed to?
JMac was in his prime at 31. That's why he only won 1 titles that year.:lol:
lmfao
First, both matches past Federer's prime.
Secondly, both matches on plexicushion which bounces higher than the US Open and is miles slower.
04 finals Federer wouldn't lose a set to any Nadal on a fast hard court. This is reality.
Continue with the conspiracy theory, won't you?It's not about lucky but that's how the system works. When Fed and Nadal were ranked #1 and #2, the only way they can meet is in the final. However, since Nole is a problemic for Nadal, most of the time he was in Fed's half. So it's Nadal that benefitted out of this situation.
Meh. Funny...So Fed isn't allow to past his prime but other players are allowed to?
JMac was in his prime at 31. That's why he only won 1 titles that year.:lol:
Yes, grass is obviously different. It's not nearly as different as it used to be though. That's the whole point.And how many times had Nadal narrowly escape from losing in the early round against the big hitters/servers at Wimbledon? This time he wasn't fortunate and Rosol beat him fair and square.
Grass is still much difference from clay. Had Rosol/Nadal was playing on clay, there wouldn't be an upset.
Fed is out of his prime, obviously. He was out of his prime 2 1/2 years ago. That's why this is the first slam he won in 2 1/2 years, he got lucky (roof, Nadal out, amongst other factors). He played great, don't take me wrong. Sometimes luck makes things a little easier though.Wait a minute there, sure 30-31 Fed might have lost to Rosol if he played him instead of Nadal (though I personally don't think so) but we're talking about 25-26 year old Nadal here, 25-26 Fed would have beaten the crap out of Rosol or any other journeyman in the early rounds of Wimbledon, unlike Nadal, during Fed's prime he wasn't vulnerable to such an opponent in early Wimbledon rounds.
Interesting that you never pass the opportunity to point out that 29 year old Sampras is "way" out of his prime but don't seem to extend the same courtesy to 30 year old Fed? Those are double standards.
Alright. But Sampras was past his prime. I mean, he wasn't even in the Top 10 back then, was he? If that's not the definition of being past his prime for a guy who until very recently had the record of Weeks as #1 I don't know what is.Yes, It's getting tiring seeing you claim Sampras was "way" past his prime when he got beat at his own game on Centre Court as a defending champion by a teenage Fed who wasn't even top 10 yet and would take another nearly 3 years to reach slam QF again.
Not to mention, you claiming 24-25 year old Nadal is past his prime as well.
Fair enough. For me, after 2008, I've always gotten the feeling that Nadal could win against RoFed everywhere. That's the point at which Nadal broke into prime form (second half 08 up to first quarter 09). Then his knees doomed him again. Such a pity.Oh I doubt that (especially peak for peak I'd favour Fed at Wimbledon and USO over any version of Nadal), though you'd first have to point out what prime Nadal is, you seem to think he's past it at the age of 24-25.
Again, age is only a factor. Winning % is also deceiving because you need to account for other reasons besides playing level (injuries, opponents, luck, etc). Yes, luck also counts (ask Djokovic, because as awesome as he was in 2011 he got lucky a couple of times).Of course not, he'll turn 31 this year, he's "way" past his prime.
If winning % was that much of a factor then we'd have to conclude Nadal played the best tennis of his life in 2005 or that at the very least he was in his prime.
Yes, Fed was a beast in Wimbledon, although not as much of a beast as Nadal was/is in Roland Garros.That's because once again it was 26 year old Nadal who lost to Rosol while Fed is 30-31.
2003-2009 Fed reached Wimbledon final by losing one single set on the way or none (in 2008 ).
We have to see how 31 year old Nadal will do in early Wimbledon rounds to compare.
OK, I respect your opinion. I, obviously, respectfully disagree.One that is incredibly flawed.
That's because once again it was 26 year old Nadal who lost to Rosol while Fed is 30-31.
2003-2009 Fed reached Wimbledon final by losing one single set on the way or none (in 2008 ).
We have to see how 31 year old Nadal will do in early Wimbledon rounds to compare.
One that is incredibly flawed.
Prime or old, I'd take Nadal in Wimbledon or anywhere else against a scared GOAT.Given that "prime" Nadal how often struggled in the early rounds at Wimbledon, I'd venture to say that old Nadal isn't going to do well at that age.
Fed better at FO? Please. He was better at getting to the final, and that's it. With Nadal at the other side of the net he will never win in RG.Nadal is very overrated at Wimbledon. Yeah he got to a bunch of finals but he was on the verge of going out in the first week a couple of times. He has been very lucky at Wimbledon and Rosol proved it. Yes Nadal may have dominated at FO more than Fed at Wimby, but I would say Fed has done better at FO than Nadal at Wimby, despite Nadal having 2 Wimby's to Fed's 1 FO.
GOAT scaring.I don't know which sport Nadal will be playing at 31 but it won't be tennis.
Yes, that's one logic that continues to astound me on this forum, everyone ages but Fed it seems.
Oh I doubt YouCantBeSerious. was even born during JMac's time, my guess is he's yet another double account from some Nadal fan/Fed hater, it's getting pretty clear now that I've seen more of his posts.
Federer has just as many finals appearances at RG as Nadal does at Wimbledon, and more semis and quarters appearances. It's certainly debatable.
Fed better at FO? Please. He was better at getting to the final, and that's it. With Nadal at the other side of the net he will never win in RG.
As for Nadal being overrated in Wimbledon, first I'd need to know how he is rated to see if he is overrated. He's a 5 time finalist, 2 time winner as of 2012. How is that being overrated? Overrated is better applied to people like Soderling.
I missed zagor's concern somehow.Yep! Has too much of an over-zealous axe grinding agenda against Federer's success to be otherwise. I'[m guessing it's actually a Sampras **** guised as a McEnroe fan.
My point is Federer under normal conditions stands no chance against Nadal in RG. Rafa does always stand a chance in Wimbledon (or elsewhere unless proven wrong) against Federer. You may choose to ignore this fact or consider it irrelevant since it doesn't suit your agenda, but it is a very real phenomenon.Federer has just as many finals appearances at RG as Nadal does at Wimbledon, and more semis and quarters appearances. It's certainly debatable.
Regardless, Federer has dominated 3 majors, and was excellent in the other one. Nadal has dominated 1. Been very good at one other, and simply good at the other two.
Not really because Nadal beat Federer at Wimbledon. As for Nadal struggling early at Wimbledons, that must make Borg and Laver "lucky" as well then, because they would often struggle early on at Wimbledon.
My point is Federer under normal conditions stands no chance against Nadal in RG. Rafa does always stand a chance in Wimbledon (or elsewhere unless proven wrong) against Federer. You may choose to ignore this fact or consider it irrelevant since it doesn't suit your agenda, but it is a very real phenomenon.
Enjoy "The Matrix" or choose to open your eyes to reality. It's up to you.If someone has 10 Wimb titles then someone who has 3 Wimb titles and is constantly called amazing is overrated at Wimb despite having 3 titles. It's all relative.
Fed may not have beaten Nadal at FO, but likewise the only way Nadal can beat Fed at Wimby is when he's not in peak form, and even then he can barely win.
He might very well do so. I certainly would if I were to reach 18 slams and surpass Fed's record. The kid has too much fight in him though.Nadal can't even get through the grind of an entire tennis season at 26, you think he'll still be playing tennis at 31? I wouldn't be surprised at all if he retired before 30.
Enjoy "The Matrix" or choose to open your eyes to reality. It's up to you.
Rafa was barely 21 in 2006. He played his first final against one of the two most accomplished players in Wimbledon ever in 2006. In 2007 he took Fed to 5 sets. In 2008 he won. It's too bad Fed didn't make it to the final in 2010 or 2011, and that Nadal had a fluke elimination this past year, but you can guess easily how things would have gone. Federer was lucky to not make it in 2010 and 2011, and that Nadal didn't make it this year.
Dominant? You mean as in "Boss"? Well, nothing like he does in RG, no. But then again, not many players do though.Borg won a Wimbledon title without dropping a set. He was far more dominant at Wimbledon than Nadal. In fact, you can't even call Nadal ever dominant at Wimbledon, despite 2 titles and 5 finals.
Getting close and standing a chance are completely different things. At any point in the match (you choose which point that is), would you bet money on Federer? I certainly wouldn't, I'm not that rich.2011 was normal conditions with Fed past prime. Fed stood a chance if you watched that match. Anyone who says he didn't is completely ignorant about tennis.
Getting close and standing a chance are completely different things. At any point in the match (you choose which point that is), would you bet money on Federer? I certainly wouldn't, I'm not that rich.
Yes, right. And Federer is doubly lucky that Nadal dropped out of RG and Wimby in 2009. He didn't even have to face him. If he had, he would have just won his 15th slam, and wouldn't even be in contention for the GOAT title because he wouldn't even have a career GS.It wasn't a fluke elimination, it could have easily happened in previous Wimbledons. IT finally caught up with him. Nadal was lucky he didn't face a healthy Fed in 2008.