5263
G.O.A.T.
You mean Berdych?
ooops, thanks
I'll correct.
You can see where my focus was...on Fed and how he was playing.
Did you notice his targets?
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You mean Berdych?
Our targets are slightly different but this is a step in the right directions from
most traditional coaching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrpXbmTjZNo
and this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i__fhW2c_I0
If I get pulled wide, I notice a huge change in success rate if I put the ball back deep. It keeps them from really attacking the shot, and instead can get me back to the center of the court, and then able to reset and hit the targets again.
By middle, I do mean of course a ball hit with a certain amount of depth, although many of them were bouncing just past the service line, and even a few a foot or so before the service line. The ones which were shorter and not deep, the opponent was recovering so they weren't able to step in and around to hit with their best side (forehand).
Glad to see this great post and thanks for the good words.I have to give the OP credit. My game has changed due to smart targets, and I didn't even realize it until lately all my opponents have been complaining about running too much and being out of breath. Some of them are even half my age and complaining about it. This is some of what I've been hearing from my opponents the last few matches:
"I'm huffing and puffing and you're not even out of breath."
"Oh, my God, I've never done so much running from tennis in my life."
"Are you even sweating...?"
"Man, this is quite a workout."
Granted I've been working on my conditioning, and that helps too, but I used to be one to hit down the middle all the time, and I used to be very annoyed by the fact that I couldn't do much with angles, but now I rarely hit down the middle, unless my time is taken away and have no other choice. I wasn't even aware lately that I had been going for the smart targets until they all started complaining, and now that I am aware of it, I have to say I really get a kick out of running them around, and listening to complaints has never been so enjoyable.
its weird how much i notice the pros from back in the day use smart targets. watched the Ashe Connors 75 W final and both men were going for the smart targets.
Correct. Not only did he eventually make an error after a few shots, but even when he hit amazingly powerful and accurate shots, Djokovic still returned them so Delpo was risking so much for nothing!
Tried out these targets with a Wheelie player this afternoon, very effective - not in the sense that they are new target areas, but more in the sense that the path through those areas is clearly defined and it helps take away some (or all) of the decision making process - thus simplifying the tactical pattern making.
Good stuff!
Cheers
A
I was there watching the match at Ashe with some friends who aren't as tennis literate and I pointed out that very same thing. They asked why Dodig was losing even though he was belting the ball pretty well. I told them Dodig was always hitting down the middle and always seemed off balance and Murray was always on balance, hitting angles and making Dodig run side to side, and it's always a lot harder to stay on balance when you have to hit the ball on the run. So, yes I was very aware of the smart targets in that match. It may partly explain why Dodig only gets to a certain level.
One unrelated thought; I would like to see two depth charts from the same player/opponent. One on a fast hard court, (USO) and one on a very slow hard court (IW, Miami).
My guess is that they hit deeper on the faster court.
J
I agree, that would be interesting to see. I expect the faster court would tend
to group deeper as well, but maybe not as deep as some would expect.
Would love to see a few where the 2 players were well matched in a tight match.
Very late to this game. Is there a link to where these targets are? Also, I've read here to avoid the center of the court. I've typically thought that if I hit up the middle, my opponent will have less angle to work with (and the higher net if he wants to kick it out wide). If I go cross court to his forehand, I help him by increasing his angle, allowing him to hit it even sharper back to me.
Very late to this game. Is there a link to where these targets are? Also, I've read here to avoid the center of the court. I've typically thought that if I hit up the middle, my opponent will have less angle to work with (and the higher net if he wants to kick it out wide). If I go cross court to his forehand, I help him by increasing his angle, allowing him to hit it even sharper back to me.
Hey 5263: Based on your specs, this is a scale image I made. Look okay?
Blue = Smart Targets
Red = Avoid Area
Well, if you use the smart targets (shown in some pictures on the first couple pages), hitting up the middle is the worst thing you can do. The smart targets allow you to angle your opponent off the court and hit comfortably within the boundaries of the court. This is actually best achieved from the center of the court.
If you hit a sharp cross court angle, it's easier just to hit it sharply back, instead of taking the risky down the line shot.
It is amazing to see how using the smart targets these players no matter what level are doing very well in there matches.
Are there any specific dimenisions for smart targets or do you just train with diagram in these posts as close as possible. We have been going close to the diagram for training.
Good thing you bumped this thread, I was just talking to my friend who is in my opinion a very good coach. He told me of an idea which he has been using with his kids (the kids in his program that is) who are anywhere from 10-18.
It is a different way of portraying the goal, but ends up having the ball land in your target areas.
J
J., what is the idea your friend had?
Here is one of the pics of the smart targets thanks to BU.
you can see the triangles
Hey 5263 it would be much easier to visualize the smart targets if you flipped this image around, so that it can be visualized from the hitter's point of view, instead of the opponent's point of view. Thanks in advance!
I was down in South FL for the holidays and took my son & daughter to courts
for some practice. Fate would have it that we ended up on the court next to
a super nice Aussie Coach and his WTA player getting in a practice as well.
Here they are getting a 1.5 hr work out with 4 cones on the court for targets.
2 in one corner and 2 in the other, all about 14 inches from the BL and the outside
cones about 6 inches from the sidelines, with it's partner 6 inches from it.
Two targets, deep and wide into each corner and they never moved.
They used them for rally and mid ct attacks.
I share this to point out that many coaches still target this extreme depth.
Do WTA players on average hit for depth because they can't achieve sufficient topspin to make a shorter ball unattackable?
Would be fun to look at the charts and see if ATP players hit shorter.
J
Do WTA players on average hit for depth because they can't achieve sufficient topspin to make a shorter ball unattackable?
Would be fun to look at the charts and see if ATP players hit shorter.
J
I am doing much better in matches using smart targets - so thanks again, 5263! I still tend to aim a little safer, but hit harder. Due to natural variation in shots, a lot of them hit just the right spot. It's amazing how this forces the opponent to move, and keeps them on the defense. I realized (the hard way, of course ) that it's important to hit to the target area that's further away from the opponent, whenever possible. Very few people hit well when they are forced to move, it seems...
bhupaes, how is your effort on Smart Targets going. Have you stayed with the
work to make it a normal aspect of your tactics.
What about the Avoid Zone in red? Seems that is a little tougher for some to get about
how to work to keep balls out of that zone, while really looking to capitalize on
the balls the opponent leaves there.
Basically what a local coach wrote in a local USTA newsletter last year as a golden rule: don't hit up the middle (the "rally" tendency).
Just remember two things:
- What Sampras said: Hit where the other guy isn't.
- Don't hit up the middle.
You don't need any more fancy jargon like Wardlaw's directionals etc.
Keep tennis simple.
Just remember two things:
- What Sampras said: Hit where the other guy isn't.
- Don't hit up the middle.
You don't need any more fancy jargon like Wardlaw's directionals etc.
Keep tennis simple.
@5263: Just to make my position clear: I did not mean to say that Wardlaw's directionals don't work. I accept that it is sometimes risky to change the direction of outside balls, hence my use of the phrase "whenever possible".
a few thoughts -
1) WTA may show a completely different picture..
3. I suspect if you aim for those triangles, you will produce a landing pattern with lots balls short of service line.. also, being able to take a bigger cut at a shorter target, does not necessarily mean the ball is more effective.... we all have seen people take big cuts only to produce some short spinny sitter.