stringertom
Bionic Poster
Guess I'm left with option #2 only and I won't be holding my breath for that to happen!
Man, one bad half in Raleigh is all that separates FSU from title game spot. Just one stop on fourth down actually.
2012 College Football
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Guess I'm left with option #2 only and I won't be holding my breath for that to happen!
Man, one bad half in Raleigh is all that separates FSU from title game spot. Just one stop on fourth down actually.
BigServer1
Legend
My wife goes and delivers our 3rd child last weekend, another strapping nearly 9 # future Hokie tight end, removing me from proper college football viewing for 2 weekends and THIS happens!
In all seriousness....damn, Big! I was pulling for the Ducks (and the Pac 12 in general) to break the SEC stranglehold. Oregon seemed sedated but Stanford's D was solid.
Didn't even get a chance to watch any of the K State game but was equally shocked.
Bama/Georgia are thrilled. One of them (likely Bama) gets to punk Notre Dame for the BCS title. God must be a Southerner/SEC administrator/Pac 12 ref or something.
Congrats on the little one Kevin! You're two away from a full defensive line!
We just got beat. It was a tough game, I feel like it was VERY poorly called offensively. We did some things that worked and then totally went away from those and went at their strengths. Very un Chip Kelly like.
A lot of my Oregon friends are heart broken...I don't really know why. My Freshman year we won 6 games. The program has come such a long way that the idea of an 11-1 Finish and Fiesta bowl spot looks pretty good to me.
BigServer1
Legend
Btw my worst nightmare is USC beating Notre Dame and Florida beating FSU.
That would give us Bama/UGA vs. UF. That's a disaster.
That would give us Bama/UGA vs. UF. That's a disaster.
Fearsome Forehand
Professional
Can't believe KSU got creamed by 4-5 Baylor. Wow!
volleygirl
Rookie
Nooooooo. I cant take that. I so wanted K State and Oregon to keep winning so the SEC was out but I guess its too much to ask.
Kevin T
Hall of Fame
Thanks Big. I am working on top 3 tennis singles...don't want the kids to have my aches and pains.
Sleep would be nice at the moment, with a 4 yo, 2 yo and 1 week old pulling on my shirt. Fl and Bama/Ga is very likely. SEC world domination continues. Now I see Maryland might bolt th ACC. I hate modern college athletics. All about TV markets.
volleygirl
Rookie
Thanks Big. I am working on top 3 tennis singles...don't want the kids to have my aches and pains.
Fl and Bama/Ga is very likely. SEC world domination continues. Now I see Maryland might bolt th ACC. I hate modern college athletics. All about TV markets.
Congrats on the young un Kevin. Wheres Maryland going? to the WAC?
Kevin T
Hall of Fame
Thanks! We are blessed!
The whispers are Maryland and Rutgers to Big 10 as early as this week...DC and NYC/NJ TV markets are to blame. As if anyone actually follows these schools as rabidly as other big-time schools.
mikeler
Moderator
Thanks Big. I am working on top 3 tennis singles...don't want the kids to have my aches and pains.
Fl and Bama/Ga is very likely. SEC world domination continues. Now I see Maryland might bolt th ACC. I hate modern college athletics. All about TV markets.
Wow, you are 2 kids away from a basketball team!
I was at the BU-KState game.
I was glad that KU lost, because my 2nd fav. team (Ducks) would be #1. We got home and I saw that OT FG.
Lets just say that the Ducks REALLY NEED A NEW AND BETTER KICKER!
Maldondo missed a potential game tying FG last year against USC and a game winner (and BCS title game shot) against Stanford this year.
Now that Barkley is out against ND, Oregon has no chance of making the game.
I was glad that KU lost, because my 2nd fav. team (Ducks) would be #1. We got home and I saw that OT FG.
Lets just say that the Ducks REALLY NEED A NEW AND BETTER KICKER!
Maldondo missed a potential game tying FG last year against USC and a game winner (and BCS title game shot) against Stanford this year.
Now that Barkley is out against ND, Oregon has no chance of making the game.
volleygirl
Rookie
I was at the BU-KState game.
I was glad that KU lost, because my 2nd fav. team (Ducks) would be #1. We got home and I saw that OT FG.
Lets just say that the Ducks REALLY NEED A NEW AND BETTER KICKER!
Maldondo missed a potential game tying FG last year against USC and a game winner (and BCS title game shot) against Stanford this year.
That loss cant be put on Oregons kicker. They lost a home game to a freshman QB making only his 2nd start. That Stanford coach just isnt getting the credit he deserves because hes not tying to reinvent the wheel like Chip Kelly at Oregon.
BigServer1
Legend
Thanks Big. I am working on top 3 tennis singles...don't want the kids to have my aches and pains.
Fl and Bama/Ga is very likely. SEC world domination continues. Now I see Maryland might bolt th ACC. I hate modern college athletics. All about TV markets.
That makes a lot of sense. I have a good friend who played safety in college for four years, and played a couple years in the NFL, and at 30 his body is a mess. He recently had surgery to repair three herniated discs in his back, and he's confident he'll need both hips and knees replaced by the time he's 50. It's a brutal sport.
Part of me is rooting for ND this weekend, because I can't handle another all SEC title game. Florida is a patchwork quilt of a #4 team this year, and I don't want to see them in the title game (again, not even winning their division, let alone their conference).
To the people hating on Maldanado, meh. I wish he was a better kicker, but Oregon had the ball three times with a 14-7 lead in the 3rd and 4th quarter and couldn't put the game away. DeAnthony Thomas missed an easy block in the 1st quarter that would have led to a Mariota TD run (instead he took a knee on a pass and lost yards and we were eventually stopped on 4th down). We just didn't adjust to the great defense of Stanford. It was the worst offensively called game I've ever seen from Chip Kelly (outside of his first game as head coach against Boise State in 2009). We continuously went right at their strengths and went away from things that were working.
Credit to Stanford, I hope to see them win the Rose Bowl.
volleygirl
Rookie
I am gonna be forced to root for ND as well. I live in TN but cant stand most the teams in the SEC so I will be rooting for the SEC to slip up in the next few weeks. I definitely dont wanna see a FL vs Bama or GA game for the title.
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
And Louisiana Tech lost so no BCS crasher. Its very possible ND loses to USC. But ND D does seem legit.
Kinda hard to see them playing in title game. but they have played enough good teams and are the lone unbeaten. They will deserve the spot. And I think Bama desrves it if they beat GA. I dont think GA should get it though. Thats about the easiest schedule ive ever seen. They had two ranked teams to play and went 1-1 get them outta here.
Kinda hard to see them playing in title game. but they have played enough good teams and are the lone unbeaten. They will deserve the spot. And I think Bama desrves it if they beat GA. I dont think GA should get it though. Thats about the easiest schedule ive ever seen. They had two ranked teams to play and went 1-1 get them outta here.
norbac
Legend
Barkley out for SC.
Kevin T
Hall of Fame
Great summary of the game. That late controversial TD call in the end zone (I thought it was a touchdown but reversing the call on the field? Not so sure it was concrete) was huge. But like you said, all credit to Stanford. With Barkley out for the ND game, I can't see USC pulling the upset. ND vs SEC champ will draw a big audience.
RE aches and pains...gotta be rough for your buddy. I wasn't even close to being able to play at the next level but am certainly glad I wasn't at that journeyman skill level. Those guys are lucky to get 3 or 4 years and make a little scratch for a lifetime of pain and likely a shortened life span. I would have jumped at the chance in my early 20's but in my late 30's I'm glad I wasn't good enough.
Kevin T
Hall of Fame
Barkley is out against ND, so I think the Irish are in. Last I heard on ESPN last week, ND had the most difficult strength of schedule of the undefeated teams (not sure if that has changed). As much as I hate it, they didn't slip up and deserve to be there.
GA did have an easier than normal schedule but did beat the current #4 (FL) and their only loss is to a top 12 team. I would imagine Bama will be heavily favored.
Kevin T
Hall of Fame
Maryland officially out per numerous news outlets with Rutgers holding a press conference Tuesday.
Maryland certainly makes the Big 10 stronger in football (That's a double jab for you MD and Big 10 fans ). Pure money move, as MD is counting on Big 10 Network money to save their nearly bankrupt AD. Good luck with that 50 million buyout. Maybe Under Wear, err..., Under Armour will help.
The ACC is said to be looking at UConn, Louisville, Georgetown, Villanova and St. John's. Bball would be killer but only UL makes sense for football, though the academics would balk. I hate this super-conference crap.
Maryland certainly makes the Big 10 stronger in football (That's a double jab for you MD and Big 10 fans ).
Pure money move, as MD is counting on Big 10 Network money to save their nearly bankrupt AD. Good luck with that 50 million buyout. Maybe Under Wear, err..., Under Armour will help. The ACC is said to be looking at UConn, Louisville, Georgetown, Villanova and St. John's. Bball would be killer but only UL makes sense for football, though the academics would balk. I hate this super-conference crap.
volleygirl
Rookie
Maryland officially out per numerous news outlets with Rutgers holding a press conference Tuesday.
Maryland certainly makes the Big 10 stronger in football (That's a double jab for you MD and Big 10 fans ).
The ACC is said to be looking at UConn, Louisville, Georgetown, Villanova and St. John's. Bball would be killer but only UL makes sense for football, though the academics would balk. I hate this super-conference crap.
If its not broken, why fix it? I cant stand the superconference stuff either. They should have left the conferences at 10 so each team could play every team in the conference. Theyre gonna have these monsters at 18 to 20 teams eventually where you may only play half the teams in your own conference. To be in the SEC, Bamas schedule wasnt so tough either. They had a creampuff beginnning of the season and really only played LSU and A & M. They squeeked by LSU and got spanked at home by A & M so not really sure why everyone thinks they will kill GA in SEC title game and destroy ND in chamionship game.
Kevin T
Hall of Fame
It will probably get to the point that I won't even seriously watch college sports anymore. No more UNC/MD or Duke/MD bball games. Lacrosse (I know, don't laugh) probably means more to Maryland and the DC metro area than anywhere else and MD always has a solid team. Of course, the Big 10 has a long tradition in lacrosse.
Thanks for ruining the world again, ESPN.BigServer1
Legend
Great summary of the game. That late controversial TD call in the end zone (I thought it was a touchdown but reversing the call on the field? Not so sure it was concrete) was huge. But like you said, all credit to Stanford. With Barkley out for the ND game, I can't see USC pulling the upset. ND vs SEC champ will draw a big audience.
RE aches and pains...gotta be rough for your buddy. I wasn't even close to being able to play at the next level but am certainly glad I wasn't at that journeyman skill level. Those guys are lucky to get 3 or 4 years and make a little scratch for a lifetime of pain and likely a shortened life span. I would have jumped at the chance in my early 20's but in my late 30's I'm glad I wasn't good enough.
I thought it was a TD catch too, and I was glad (at the time) that we were getting the ball back with 1:30 and a timeout. I figured, this is where Chip will work his magic...Not so much.
The aches and pains seem to be hard, he describes his body as a ticking time bomb, so that should about sum it up.
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
It will probably get to the point that I won't even seriously watch college sports anymore. No more UNC/MD or Duke/MD bball games. Lacrosse (I know, don't laugh) probably means more to Maryland and the DC metro area than anywhere else and MD always has a solid team. Of course, the Big 10 has a long tradition in lacrosse.
Shocked MD would leave ACC and the basketball tradition. Is Football really that big of a deal from a money standpoint they have to go Big 10.
With all the ezxtra ACC teams coming in they were goping to lose the home away games anyway. I guess there is always the ACC vs Big 10 (with 14 teams) challenge
stringertom
Bionic Poster
One "upset" will happen...the Gators have scored 14 points in the last two games vs FSU and their offense has not improved while FSU's defense has matured. Driskell should play but on a bad wheel. Also, home field helps the Noles. FSU 31-10!
mikeler
Moderator
I don't think we will see either team get into the 30s.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Could stay low scoring but LaLa got 20 ten days ago in Gainesville and FSU is a bit better armed than the Rajun Cajuns. Much will depend on TO's.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
If we win 31-10 over that UF Defense, we deserve a shot at the National title game. I fail to see how beating the snot out of a top tier SEC team does not justify that. (obviously we would need to recover from the hangover and beat Ga Tech , who will chop block our Dline to death and potentially injure some guys).
I don't think we will score 30 unless 2 things happen : Our Oline steps up big time in both pass and run blocking, and EJ Manuel has a great game. I do expect a lot from EJ. We have the better QB and far more skill players on offense.
I really like UF's Dline and Elam at safety. I think their entire defense is stellar. Last year our Oline was decimated by injury and we had a lot of trouble moving the ball due to that. I have said our Oline is much improved this year and we will see how much on Saturday. I do not think any team in america can cover our WRs as long as EJ has time to throw the ball, and that is the key to the game.
I don't think we will score 30 unless 2 things happen : Our Oline steps up big time in both pass and run blocking, and EJ Manuel has a great game. I do expect a lot from EJ. We have the better QB and far more skill players on offense.
I really like UF's Dline and Elam at safety. I think their entire defense is stellar. Last year our Oline was decimated by injury and we had a lot of trouble moving the ball due to that. I have said our Oline is much improved this year and we will see how much on Saturday. I do not think any team in america can cover our WRs as long as EJ has time to throw the ball, and that is the key to the game.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
^^^He will have time to pass if FSU stays two-dimensional...his own legs and the Osceola Express*tm* (Wilder/Freeman) must be effective like Georgia was in Jacksonville.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
FSU deserves a shot at NC game? LOL, no team that loses to NC State should play for the NC. Ever. UF hasn't even been that strong this year, so it wouldn't be shocking if FSU pulls it off. I guess ULL deserves a BCS game since they almost beat UF the other week. :lol:
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Did you read what I wrote or just roll in here and make a bad argument?
Last time I checked UF is the 3rd best team in the SEC. They beat the team that beat Alabama did they not? AND they did it on the road. UF hasn't been that strong - what does that mean exactly?...they were #2 in America before losing their rivalry game to UGA. Please explain what "that strong" is to you? Everyone here says the SEC is the best conference, yet I specifically said IF FSU WINS 31-10 we should be considered for a NT game. Let me spell it out clearly since you are a college kid who (hopefully) is hazy from female attention and too much partying : I do not think FSU will win 31-10. I DO think if that happens you are definitely going to hear some very strong chatter that we should be in the big game.
If the SEC is by far the best conference and UF has won all but 1 game in it, are they logically not a strong team?
Let me know why Notre Dame would be in the NT since they barely won AT HOME in OT to PITT w/ the assistance of the refs. Pitt is terrible. No better than NC state really. Pitt is in a horrible conference and is 4-6. NC state is in a less horrible conference and is 6-5. Just for clarification if you don't know this.
Do you not understand the underlying point that the BCS is a stupid system? Basically every team in america has had a bad game, ND got bailed out of theirs.
The ULL example just proves my point. Every team has had a bad game this year. Who exactly is THAT STRONG? I am just curious because by your logic UF beat the team that beat Bama, so I guess they are basically #2 in the SEC now, correct?
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jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
UF's defense is great but their offense is FCS level this year. This is a team that struggled against Mizzou and ULL. SEC is a bit down this year but is still WAYYYYY better than the ACC any year.
That's my point, FSU had to go unbeaten in ACC to have any shot at NC and they blew it, period. 1 loss SEC team will always be ahead of FSU regardless, so even if you all win 50-0 over UF you shouldn't be considered. And ND has done what no other team can say they've done, that is win every game on the schedule. I'm tired of people like you taking cheap shots at ND, if they beat USC they'll have played the toughest schedule of any of the top BCS teams. And like you said every team has a 'bad' game, so why is ND's bad game vs Pitt highlighted while you gloss over UF's? The same Pitt that beat down VT, who yall barely beat a few weeks ago BTW.
The 'beat the team that beat the team that beat' argument is the argument of a team that knows they have no other legit one. FSU lost to NCSt, who lost to Tenn, who hasn't won a game in the SEC. LOL at that.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
So you are saying an FCS level offense somehow only has 1 loss in the mighty SEC? WOW!!
And I am so sorry your feelings are hurt because we call it as it is : ND got a lucky break from the refs to barely beat PITT AT HOME.
If we beat UF 50-0 we will be lauded as an NT contender. The fact that you do not grasp this is disturbing.
Yeah we lost to NC State and should not play in the NT game. I never disagreed. But if we beat UF 50-0, I am afraid your argument will not hold as much water.
What I dont understand is that you said this - "The 'beat the team that beat the team that beat' argument is the argument of a team that knows they have no other legit one"
And then the next sentence, you said:
"FSU lost to NCSt, who lost to Tenn, who hasn't won a game in the SEC. LOL at that."
That is awesome man. Stay in school and try and not start arguments until you can construct one of your own logically.
And the main point of all this from me is that the BCS is MASSIVE JOKE. I am not sure why I have to say this repeatedly.
And I am so sorry your feelings are hurt because we call it as it is : ND got a lucky break from the refs to barely beat PITT AT HOME.
If we beat UF 50-0 we will be lauded as an NT contender. The fact that you do not grasp this is disturbing.
Yeah we lost to NC State and should not play in the NT game. I never disagreed. But if we beat UF 50-0, I am afraid your argument will not hold as much water.
What I dont understand is that you said this - "The 'beat the team that beat the team that beat' argument is the argument of a team that knows they have no other legit one"
And then the next sentence, you said:
"FSU lost to NCSt, who lost to Tenn, who hasn't won a game in the SEC. LOL at that."
That is awesome man. Stay in school and try and not start arguments until you can construct one of your own logically.
And the main point of all this from me is that the BCS is MASSIVE JOKE. I am not sure why I have to say this repeatedly.
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jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Right, I guess ND's the first team in history to get a few breaks on their way to an unbeaten season. Not like Auburn and LSU didn't get a few during their runs.
In who's world? Again, if you beat UF 50-0 you're still not better than Bama (lost to TAMU), Oregon (lost to Stanford on shoddy kicking) or Georgia (lost to South Carolina). You have the worst loss of any top BCS team yet would magically be considered a NC contender based on one game? Please.
Again, in case you don't grip this, ACC is so weak that you have to go unbeaten in it to be considered NC contender. Beating UF, even in a blowout, doesn't reverse that.
I was using your own ammo against you. I don't even need to use the 'beat the team' argument since I already stated mine pretty clearly - a 1 loss ACC team won't go ahead of a 1 loss SEC team. I was just being facetious with the ULL stuff. But beating UF even in a blowout wont erase the loss to NCSt. There's a reason why FSU is a lowly 10th, and it's not just bc the BCS is a joke (point conceded). Also your murderous nonconference schedule of Murray St and Savannah St won't buy you any love either. (Yes I know SEC teams play cupcakes too, but when you know you're playing the likes of Duke and Maryland every year you should go out of your way to make up for it in the nonconference).
Power Player
Bionic Poster
I guarantee if we badly beat UF you are going to hear people saying we deserve a crack. Add to that if USC pulls the upset as well. factor in Clemson - South Carolina, Ga tech - UGA, Wake- Vandy and while I do not expect those games to all go our way, I am trying to illustrate different ways that FSU can easily gain ground. I think Clemson wins, Ga Tech will have to have a miracle, and Wake could win as they are playing for a (pointless) bowl berth. ACC vs SEC wins make a huge difference in the BCs schedule.
We did not schedule that many cupcakes on purpose. You probably do not know that WVU backed out on us with no time to really do anything besides what we did. So if you break it down we purposefully played the same amount of cupcakes as the other SEC teams. Losing the WVU game was a massive blow to our schedule strength.
Why any team plays cupcakes is because of the BCS. It is a product of the system. If you removed 2 weeks of cupcake games plus the ridiculous bowl schedule, you are looking at plenty of time for an 8 team playoff.
We did not schedule that many cupcakes on purpose. You probably do not know that WVU backed out on us with no time to really do anything besides what we did. So if you break it down we purposefully played the same amount of cupcakes as the other SEC teams. Losing the WVU game was a massive blow to our schedule strength.
Why any team plays cupcakes is because of the BCS. It is a product of the system. If you removed 2 weeks of cupcake games plus the ridiculous bowl schedule, you are looking at plenty of time for an 8 team playoff.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
As I posted earlier, FSU is one fourth-down stop from entering the UF rivalry game undefeated. There is speculation by the poll analysts that, even if FSU was undefeated and beats UF, that their computer poll numbers would be so weak they wouldn't stay ahead of a once-beaten SEC champ. That scenario would truly prove the BCS system is total BS!
As it is, we lost a one-point game on the road to a team that, despite their 6-5 record, has possibly the best NFL-ready QB in the nation. That we held him and his offense to 17 points should show the merit of our defense. I saw the two offensive slugfests Glennon played in vs UNC and Clemson. This guy plays on Sundays in the future! It is no shame to have held him to those 17 points...we should have scored more than 16 so that we didn't lay it on our "D" to stop him when it counted.
As it is, we lost a one-point game on the road to a team that, despite their 6-5 record, has possibly the best NFL-ready QB in the nation. That we held him and his offense to 17 points should show the merit of our defense. I saw the two offensive slugfests Glennon played in vs UNC and Clemson. This guy plays on Sundays in the future! It is no shame to have held him to those 17 points...we should have scored more than 16 so that we didn't lay it on our "D" to stop him when it counted.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
I was there last year when we beat notre dame with our Oline that was starting undersized freshman, one who was still 17. Sorry if I am not in awe of the domers magnificent schedule with wins aided by the grace of God. lol.
MD did what FSU should have done - left the stupid ACC. Good for them. Wise move.
MD did what FSU should have done - left the stupid ACC. Good for them. Wise move.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Every conference, with the exception of the SEC, suffers through cyclical troughs. It's only a few years ago the ACC beefed up and produced some decent years from now also-rans BC, Wake, Va Tech, UVa, Miami and Maryland. They can get back there when they again recruit players like Vick, Mario Williams and Matt Ryan to name just a few of the blue-chippers from the conference. The facilities and the coaches are still there. Just go get the horses.
Kevin T
Hall of Fame
Don't blame the ACC. Blame FSU for holding on to Bowden about 10 years too long (also see Penn State). I'm so angry with the conference realignment crap (angry with the ACC as well, who has been knee deep in it) that I'll rant for a while (not directed at you PowerPlayer, just in general).
We all know football drives the bus and that's why the Big 10 stealing Maryland may cause another string of conference changes. The Big 10 commish admitted it's all about demographics...the rust belt is dying and 20 years down the road, the population shift to Texas and the South will be even greater. Maryland and Rutgers add nothing. The whole 'academics' and AAU affiliation stuff is garbage. The average ACC and Big 10 overall academic rank is nearly identical, though the ACC has more top 25, top 35 and top 50 schools. Each has only one school outside the top 100 (Nebraska and NC State-though NCSU has been a perennial top 80, so not sure what has happened to them). AAU is all about graduate programs and grant funding...both of which have such a huge impact on NCAA sports.
Nineteen schools outside the AAU produce more grads and research funding than current members. GA Tech only recently got in and outranks half of the Big 10. Duke, UVA and Wake are all top 25, while the Big 10 only has Northwestern. So what about sports? Again, it's all about football money (obviously). Not a knock on the mwest because I lived there for 4 years and love the mwest and the people but they love to watch sports. A lot of the best sports towns are in the Mwest...Chicago, Cleveland, Cincy, Milwaukee, the list goes on and on. What else is there to do on a cold weekend in October, November, December? I know the Big 10 has the tradition but what exactly have they done lately? I'm an ACC/SEC guy and realize the ACC has been down for years but what about the Big 10? The ACC does have 2 top 15 teams. Since OSU doesn't count for the BCS, only Nebraska makes the cut for the Big 10. Ohio State is about it in the last 20 years and they are out on violations. FSU and Miami have been down lately but have a great 20 year record. Basketball? Michigan State is all you got since Michigan 20 years ago. Actually, now that you have Maryland Big 10, they're your most recent champ.
No contest as the ACC and Big East own bball lately. Baseball? Try Ohio State in the 1960's. Soccer? Indiana has a few championships but this is ACC dominated. Women's soccer? All ACC. Lacrossse? ACC, particularly now that Syracuse is in the league. Tennis? About even, though Illinois has a recent title and UVA has been solid the last few years.The talk in Blacksburg for months has been that VA Tech will soon leave for the SEC. The SEC is interested in moving into NC and VA. Recent polls show ~65% of VT fans want to go to the SEC, beat downs be damned. Other rumors are that the Big 10 wants UVA and either UNC or Duke (or both). The 'gentlemen's agreement' is that the SEC doesn't want two schools in one state (though they've broken that rule multiple times). If the SEC grabs Va Tech and NC State, the Big 12 will grab FSU and Clemson and UVA, Duke and UNC would make sense for the Big 10. I hate it. Again, thanks for ruining everything ESPN and Fox.
Post rant, I'm really, really pulling for FSU, Power Player. I'm also pulling for Clemson and Ga Tech. I would love to see the ACC schools score the big wins. It probably won't happen but would at least shut up the haters for a day.
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mikeler
Moderator
Clemson defense is awful, but NC State QB to me is more impressive than EJ and Tajh as a pure passer. The NFL is shifting though to more running QBs so all 3 really have a chance at long term NFL careers. It will mostly come down to luck, hard work and the teams they get drafted on.
Again, let's look at the ACC after this weekend. Both Clemson and FSU are at home. If neither can hold serve, then the SEC death strangle on college football is still alive this year. My suspicion is that it is a 1-1 split or possibly a 2-0 ACC win.
volleygirl
Rookie
I heard something today I couldnt believe about the ACC. The guys on the radio said the entire conference doesnt even have a win against a ranked opponent outside of the conference for the entire season. At this point in the season, its easy to see why they arent getting any respect in the BCS. I cant stand the SEC so I hope they at least end that embarassing fact this weekend by winning at least one of those games against the SEC opponents they have but I wouldnt bet on it.
mikeler
Moderator
I thought Auburn was ranked when Clemson beat them in week 1. Of course, we know now they suck.
Kevin T
Hall of Fame
I think you were listening to an SEC homer or your average run of the mill fat idiot radio jock. I just went through the SEC schedule and they have exactly 1 win against a ranked non-conference team...Bama's win against Michigan (who turned out to be average at best)...unless you count that minute that LA Tech as ranked. Like Mik said, I'm pretty sure Auburn was top 25 when Clemson beat them. Just like the ACC, the SEC shcedules 8 in-conference, 3 absolute cupcakes and one reasonable out of conference game. We just didn't have those LSU/Oregon, Va Tech/USC or Bama match-up as in the past. Eveyone is terrified of that one loss on their schedule, so we get Savannah St and Florida Atlantic match ups.
Dedans Penthouse
Legend
LMAO @ Notre Dame!<--hmmm, where'd that other hater/bashing thread from years ago go?
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My 'Canes got dusted by ND and it wasn't very pretty, but I took my medicine and called it for what it was; a beatdown. I get the ND-hate and all. As to what might prompt it, it might be strictly football-related, or "name brand" hatred...or, maybe that '500 lb. gorilla in the room' (some other kind of 'bias' in play?)....who's to say?? Having said that, while the arguing on behalf of teams has been spirited and fun to read, I gotta be honest: the blind ND cheap shots have gone from funny to absurd in spots. But more importantly, MUCH more importantly:
KT, sincere congratulations on the welcome new addition to the family. Hope Mom and child are doing well.
That said KT, here are some "Best Wishes" sentiments from around the country on your family's joyous event:
Notre Dame: ~ "May the nourishment of the earth be yours;
may the clarity of the light be yours;
may the fluency of the ocean be yours;
may the protection of the ancestors be yours;
and may your blessed child be buried in a casket
made from the wood of a century-old oak that we will plant tomorrow" ~
Georgia: "hey, ya done well KT ...... hey BobbieSue, go gimme another beer..."
So. Cal: "huh?...oh...er, OMG!....DUDE!!! NOW wHo's gonna DEFLATE thE fOotBallS??!!!"
And now, on to the ND dirt sandwich Love-a-Thon: vvv
But Georgia?...punking ND?? Me thinks a lil' SEC myopia in play there KT?
Seriously, all kidding aside KT, here is the one thing I kept hearing repeated week after week in this thead: when it came to an upcoming opponent, it was "they're better than ND, no way ND will win." (@ Oklahoma anyone?). And yet once ND put 'em in their rear-view mirror, suddenly the goal posts got moved and then it was simply a matter of the opponent being a cream puff, or (but of course!): "bwaaa!!....the refs!!!" : ) And from that point on, I was convinced this thread was in large measure just an ND pile-on... just sayin'..
Hmmm....I noticed no mention of that. Had that same cheating stunt applied to ND, tell me that a riot of "Piety-Gone-WILD" ranting wouldn't have ensued?
lol, whatever
Screw all that for now. We can all agree on one thing: USC's cheerleaders in those white sweaters are "top shelf." Speaking of 'stuffing':
~ "Happy Thanksgiving to you and all your loved one, ya jive bunch 'o TURKEYS!"
Forward:
My 'Canes got dusted by ND and it wasn't very pretty, but I took my medicine and called it for what it was; a beatdown. I get the ND-hate and all. As to what might prompt it, it might be strictly football-related, or "name brand" hatred...or, maybe that '500 lb. gorilla in the room' (some other kind of 'bias' in play?)....who's to say?? Having said that, while the arguing on behalf of teams has been spirited and fun to read, I gotta be honest: the blind ND cheap shots have gone from funny to absurd in spots. But more importantly, MUCH more importantly:
KT, sincere congratulations on the welcome new addition to the family. Hope Mom and child are doing well.
That said KT, here are some "Best Wishes" sentiments from around the country on your family's joyous event:
Notre Dame: ~ "May the nourishment of the earth be yours;
may the clarity of the light be yours;
may the fluency of the ocean be yours;
may the protection of the ancestors be yours;
and may your blessed child be buried in a casket
made from the wood of a century-old oak that we will plant tomorrow" ~
Georgia: "hey, ya done well KT ...... hey BobbieSue, go gimme another beer..."
So. Cal: "huh?...oh...er, OMG!....DUDE!!! NOW wHo's gonna DEFLATE thE fOotBallS??!!!"
And now, on to the ND dirt sandwich Love-a-Thon: vvv
Total Travesty? .......*ring*..."Hello?...Johnny's Pizza?...Er yeah, I'd like to order a large pie to go with sausage and peppers and lemme have a side order of objectivity....what's that?....you're out of objectivity?...ok, nevermind, forget the objectivity....twenty minutes?....ok, thank you.."
I don't forget-I remind myself of that unassailable fact each morning befor brushing my teeth: IT WAS THE REFS!!...yessir, that was it!
What Hokie hokum you crumb bum! I think 'Bama's capable of punking ANYONE.
But Georgia?...punking ND?? Me thinks a lil' SEC myopia in play there KT?
^^lol. To quote Dylan, "oh the times they are 'a changin'" - that's a "180" from a month ago BigS - wink
Ah, that 'unbeaten' word again...
And yet, not-so-long ago, it was the other 'other shoe' (ND) wearing the upset tag.
Seriously, all kidding aside KT, here is the one thing I kept hearing repeated week after week in this thead: when it came to an upcoming opponent, it was "they're better than ND, no way ND will win." (@ Oklahoma anyone?). And yet once ND put 'em in their rear-view mirror, suddenly the goal posts got moved and then it was simply a matter of the opponent being a cream puff, or (but of course!): "bwaaa!!....the refs!!!" : ) And from that point on, I was convinced this thread was in large measure just an ND pile-on... just sayin'..
Hey, knock it off with facts as it concerns ND will ya 'dad'? : ) (j/k)
Hi volleygirl. They think 'Bama hammers GA because: the Bulldogs's relatively weak schedule, and as for ND? Gee, guess? (pssst...they'd have 'different refs' working the game) ; )
OMG!!!...who's gonna DEFLATE the balls for the backup QB??!!!
Hmmm....I noticed no mention of that. Had that same cheating stunt applied to ND, tell me that a riot of "Piety-Gone-WILD" ranting wouldn't have ensued?
Totally understand and respect your FSU support-great! But your 'cherrypicking' ND bashing? Frankly PP, I am kinda weary of the "sob!...the refs GAVE IT to 'em!" jive.
^^^^^This +10
^^^ repeat: "sob!...it was the REFS!!...
lol, whatever
Absolutely. They should be 5-4-2,..or something like that. : )
^^True. And deservedly so. Why not?
^^^hmmm, do I hear a '500 lb. gorilla' lurking in the distance, y'all? lol ;-)
Screw all that for now. We can all agree on one thing: USC's cheerleaders in those white sweaters are "top shelf." Speaking of 'stuffing':
~ "Happy Thanksgiving to you and all your loved one, ya jive bunch 'o TURKEYS!"
stringertom
Bionic Poster
^^^I stand by my claim...ND has remained unbeaten with smoke and mirrors: 2 OT wins, 2 other 3-point wins (vs 6-5 & 5-6 teams) and another 7-point win. That's nearly half a season that could have gone the other way with one play. I will grant their defense is a top-notch group but I am still very underwhelmed by their offense. The TE is a legitimate pro prospect but the rest of their skill group...not so much, especially the 2-headed QB arrangement.
I am now almost wishing they reach the title game just so they will be exposed for the pretenders they are.
I am now almost wishing they reach the title game just so they will be exposed for the pretenders they are.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Not like Auburn had a lot of close games that could've gone the other way during their title run - oh wait...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Auburn_Tigers_football_team
And LSU completely dominated the year they won the NC....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_LSU_Tigers_football_team
BigServer1
Legend
Amazing, and funny post as usual Dedans.
I'm rooting for ND this weekend because I don't want to see a second all SEC title game in a row. As for my general dislike of ND, it's rooted in the fact that ND got/gets preferential treatment from Bowls and voters alike because they have cache.
The reason ND went 15+ years in between bowl wins was because at 9-2 they would be a lock for a Big/BCS bowl berth. ND, love them or hate them, took away bowl spots from more deserving teams for more than a decade, and fans of said deserving teams had to watch their teams in a Dec. 30th bowl game while ND got housed by 20+ in their bowl game.
The ONLY reason ND has fallen out of favor recently with pollsters is the fact that they had a few really dismal seasons in a row, and the hype stopped somewhat. Now that they're "relevant" again, they'll probably be preseason top 5 and this whole cycle will start over again.
Blaming refs is low. I've done it, it's low. Still, ND, like any other national powerhouse gets their fair share of calls, including a couple this year that led directly to wins. Other teams have benefitted as well, no doubt.
Again, I hope ND wins Saturday, so we avoid Bama/UF. I do think the Irish would get crushed by Alabama, for whatever that's worth, which is not much.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Thanks for all the research on your chosen set of "lucky winners". No one disputes great teams find a way to win close games. Really great teams don't have to do it so often. I still say winning five games at home by seven or less vs the likes of Purdue, Michigan, BYU, Stanford and Pitt is pretty flimsy evidence of a truly great team...at least Auburn's run included victories in the SEC on the road. As for LSU, that was a sad year for the BCS system...a two-loss team winning the championship should have made the evolution to a playoffs an immediate reality.
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