darrinbaker00
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yea but you can't just dump people that's been with the team for years just cause they suck now or isn't as good as division winning team you are trying to build
Why the heck not?
yea but you can't just dump people that's been with the team for years just cause they suck now or isn't as good as division winning team you are trying to build
yea but you can't just dump people that's been with the team for years just cause they suck now or isn't as good as division winning team you are trying to build
Agree with Nostradamus. I've seen many teams (and captained one) that dumped a bunch of old players in favor of new, stronger ones. Created a bunch of ill will, which of course was expected, but perhaps more importantly the teams always self-destructed at the end of the year.
Do the weaker players know they are weaker?
Nope.
I think if I told the two weakest players on any team I have captained that they are the weakest player, they would disagree and take great offense.
Not to hijack this thread, but Cindy could you tell me if it is ok to join another team if your team from last year has not been in touch since the end of the season and you are now being recruited by last year's first place team ? I'm feeling conflicted about this, but I'm leaning towards jumping ship.
Thats a Generation ME problem if I ever heard one.
Less and less people can handle critizism.
... I played in the winning 1st doubles getting us to sectionals, and sending them packing.
... with everything in life if you are the worst of a certain group, you will likely get dropped.
Ha.
Anger is a bit strong a word here.
But winning that game was sweet indeed.
Thats a Generation ME problem if I ever heard one.
Less and less people can handle critizism.
A few years back I played for a 3.0 team and was the worst player on the team, I didn't get invited back the next season.
I wasn't happy about it, but in all seriousness, it makes sense to replace the weakest player.
I improved, and got recruited to a 3.5 team, in the City playoffs we played that exact team (by now mostly bumped to 3.5), I played in the winning 1st doubles getting us to sectionals, and sending them packing.
Either way, yes, just with everything in life if you are the worst of a certain group, you will likely get dropped.
It's more complicated than that.
The answer to all of this is: If you want to be invited onto teams, improve you tennis.
Hey, hijacks are fine!
I think players are free to jump ship so long as they haven't accepted an invitation already. If you want to be on that other team, this is your chance.
Now, if you like your old team and think the captain just hasn't sent out invitations yet, you could inquire. That would be a nice thing to do if you have a long history with the team.
Often, however, silence from a prior team means either there will be no team or you won't be on it. It would be really awkward to ask your old captain only to have him tell you that you have been given the heave ho.
Speaking of hijacks . . . . I have to say, it really bothers me when players accept an invitation, sit on it for months, and then change their minds and go play for another team. The asymmetry is a problem. I am not free to bump them from the team once they have accepted if a better player comes along, but they feel free to blow off their commitment to our team for greener pastures.
It makes a captain want to start requiring non-refundable $100 deposits to hold someone's place on the roster . . .
I doubt that person has issues. I am sure she felt like she should have been invited and wasn't so probably was wondering why ? maybe she is wondering she was wronged in someway or she offended cindy as a friend
it's probably to ask the question more directly such as "Hey Cindy..I see that you've started forming your team and I was hoping to be invited to join. Is there a reason why I didn't get the invite?"
At that point the ball is in Cindy's court (no pun intended) to respond diplomatically I hope. Just my take.
Diplomatically?
"Um . . . yeah. . . . uh-huh. See -- how shall I put this? -- It's kind of important that everyone on the team be competitive at this level. We're not expecting to go to Nationals, but we don't want to wind up in the basement. What's that? 'You can handle this level?' Yeah. I know, I know you can. Of course you can. It's just that . . . wow, um . . . it's important to be consistent and cover the court, so . . . . Pardon? 'You just need stronger partners?' Yes, yes. That's true. That's true of all of us. But the stronger players, they . . . goodness, this is hard . . . they don't like it when their partners can't pull their own weight so . . . 'What do I mean by that?' Erm . . . "
It's a conversation that never ends well if it ends at all.
Best graciously written ever post hereIf they are like the weakest player, they usually know that. That is what I had found. and they know they won't get any much playing time as the strongest players. And when I am a captain, I usually just put them at #3 doubles when we play bottom 1/3 division teams. and that usually works out. These weaker or weakest players don't want to play when we play the top 1/3 division teams anyway.
I dunno. There seems to be a huge sense of entitlement among a lot of ladies.
yea but you can't just dump people that's been with the team for years just cause they suck now or isn't as good as division winning team you are trying to build
I think if I told the two weakest players on any team I have captained that they are the weakest player, they would disagree and take great offense.
Wow ... nice old thread ... and nothing has changed in the 8 years since it started.
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If that were the root cause then I would think we would see the men doing the same thing, but we don't seem to be seeing that.
interesting... i've always found folks to be coy about stating what they are looking for....Now that I have been capping for many years, I've learned to ask the requestor, "what is your goal/intent?" There are basically two types of league players: 1) those who just want a weekly match (or at least every-other week), and they want to get better and play strong players, and don't care about advancing, and 2) those who only want to be on a team that has a real shot to advance. Once they give me the answer to my question, I guide them accordingly:
--the weaker player who just wants to be on a team and play strong players/get better: I guide them to a weaker team with fewer players -- this way they will get more matches, and play the stronger players in the flight.
--those who only want to advance -- depends how strong they are and how strong our team is that particular session. If they are weaker, i set the expectation that they'll get their get their 2 min matches and that's likely about it...
interesting... i've always found folks to be coy about stating what they are looking for....
that said, i've been both:
* join-weak-team-to-get-more-singles-matches
* join-strong-team-but-play-last-dubs
yeah, that was my main takeaway as the key job of a good captn (even if it meant sometimes even i wouldn't play)... as long as captains are up front on their goals and plan, it is all good.
I don't know if "coy" is the right word .... I think they are self-delusional!
They *say* they want to be on a competitive team, they *say* they understand how playing time will be allocated. Then they whine that the best players played more than they did.
They also *say* that they want to be on a team that is all about even playing time win or lose. Then they whine about the team not winning enough matches.
I have also been in both of your scenarios ... as long as captains are up front on their goals and plan, it is all good.
the reality is, now that i've been capping a while, the player lists have grown. example, for each team i cap (a 3.5 and a 4.0), i put a message out along the lines of 'here's the team number - first 12 to register are in, and i need it done within a week'. i don't really chase players anymore...and this leaves me time to get headcount and grab 1-2 more guys if needed...but i haven't needed to do that for a while...
I wish I could do that!
If I did I would be left with
Lady with bad hip that won't move 3 inches laterally
The one who considers herself an "athlete" who while athletic has no strokes that are consistent and refuses to practice
The one who plays a match that she thinks involves making statue impressions
I have nothing but respect for anyone who takes on the role of league team captain. It's a tough often thankless job that requires the captain to play the roles of coach, parent, manager, psychiatrist, mediator, cheerleader often all on the same weekend. I was a league captain once, the key word there being 'once'.
I wish I could do that!
If I did I would be left with
Lady with bad hip that won't move 3 inches laterally
The one who considers herself an "athlete" who while athletic has no strokes that are consistent and refuses to practice
The one who plays a match that she thinks involves making statue impressions
At this point I don't chase, spend more time getting asked for a spot ... but I wouldn't mind scratching a few off the list.
It's a rare captain who is actually a good, reliable evaluator of talent. Most people who suffer the thankless job of captain, god bless them, never played division 1 or 2 tennis, but often find themselves judging which player who has is better than this or that player. Some are ok at it, around 80% aren't really as good as they think at evaluating tennis ability.
Assuming the pool of players all know each other, get along, understand each persons schedule, etc., in some sort of utopian world this might work.Well...
What does it reallly mean to be the #1 team in your 3.5 league? What does it mean to be the best 3.5 player in the country?
Really, all this league play is just an opportunity for a bunch of middling players to get together and have some fun. All the to-do over snapping up "ringers" and excluding others can poison the atmosphere of what should be a fun experience for all.
What might make sense is for everyone interested in league play to enter a "pool" or list of applicants- then through a computerized system be sorted and assigned fairly to the various teams so everyone would start out on a (fairly) even footing and there would be less crushing of fragile egos and fighting over the elite few.
Assuming the pool of players all know each other, get along, understand each persons schedule, etc., in some sort of utopian world this might work.
Our league coordinators do manage a pool of players looking to play on a team. This is nice and while many of those players get picked up, it does not guarantee selection.
I'd be very reluctant to pick up someone "sight unseen" without at least some feedback from a trusted source. A bad addition can easily harm a team more than a good addition will benefit.
I don't have the numbers. My guess is anyone on that list is likely picked up by a captain that already new the person. Being new to town can be tough of course. The best way is to find a way to get involved, then perform. Also not being a jerk helps. HAHAI'd be very reluctant to pick up someone "sight unseen" without at least some feedback from a trusted source. A bad addition can easily harm a team more than a good addition will benefit.