^^This.If all 11 see novak as a 55% favourite all 11 Will pick him. The number of experts picking him says little About how much a favourite he is. He is a CLEAR and undisputed favourite no doubt though.
If all 11 see novak as a 55% favourite all 11 Will pick him. The number of experts picking him says little About how much a favourite he is. He is a CLEAR and undisputed favourite no doubt though.
^^This.
In fact, they may all think he's got a 40% chance of winning, compared with Murray's 35% chance, Fed 20% and someone else 5% (or any other combination that has him just .
Nikdom, Joerri, Sparkle - I agree with all of you and said in my OP I also make Nole favourite.
It just seems reminiscent of Rafa at RG and I honestly don't think Nole is that much of a favourite (and nor do the bookies).
I don't think it's an exact science this business of calling favorites. Surely sentiment colors the view of even bettors out ostensibly just to make a quick buck. I'm sure all of UK wants to believe in Murray and hopes he wins.
Nikdom, Joerri, Sparkle - I agree with all of you and said in my OP I also make Nole favourite.
It just seems reminiscent of Rafa at RG and I honestly don't think Nole is that much of a favourite (and nor do the bookies).
Murray has to go through JMDP and Roger potentially to face Djoker. Novak has to beat Berdych and Ferrer to be in the finals. Given the Berd's history with Djoko, and Ferrer's history at the slams, surely Murray has the tougher job.
I have no problem with it mate - I make him favourite too! I just find the degree of favouredness interesting.
Could it possibly be that more of these people prefer Djokovic's personality the they do murrays? They are closer to the dressing room then you or I they get to see all of murray's personality traits or lack of....
For reference, here's what their predictions looked like for last year's U.S. Open:
Men
Winner: Djokovic (9), Federer (3)
Sleeper: Haas (3), Gasquet (2), Querrey (2), Kohlschreiber, Wawrinka, Cilic, Nalbandian, Fish
Toughest Road: Berdych (4), Monaco (3), del Potro (3), Isner, Ferrer
Women
Winner: Serena (10), Kvitova, Azarenka
Sleeper: Venus (5), Clijsters (2), Ivanovic, Stephens, Shvedova, Kirilenko, Barthel
Toughest Road: Stosur (3), Radwanska (3), Errani (2), Wozniacki (2), Na, Kerber
You could also argue Murray has better recent records over delpo and federer then the other two you mention.
It could be - but it would have the square root of feck all to do with the question they were asked, and given that they are people with a professional involvement in tennis rather than someone who is eternally butthurt about his hero getting absolutely destroyed in the OG final (remind me again - was it a whole hour without winning a single game? You must've been spewing) - I think it's safe to assume they made their picks on tennis ability and empirical data.
But thanks anyway for playing.
Care to elaborate? I don't think I fully understand. Are you comparing Murray's record over fed/delpo with his record over Ferrer/berd or with Novak's record over Ferrer/Berdych
Murrays record over ferrer and berdych is a poor one.
You know people vote with their hearts and their heads. You for instance, if you were to express yourself using your head you would not find much to type. But for the next 100 years you can drone on about how little willie wallace murray stuck it up the english favorite for gold. Dont you forget jock, we still got fred perry.
Like tennis.com, ESPN's experts have also mostly gone for Nole (10 of 11). Now, I would make Nole favourite too, but this is getting into 'Rafa at RG' levels among the analysts.
Is Novak really that much of a favourite?
There's being the favourite and then there's Rafa at the FO, Novak still isn't anywhere near that at AO, I mean people are shocked when Nadal loses a set at the FO (and clay in general).
Each of those 10 out of 11 experts could merely feel that Novak is a slight favourite when they picked him, especially after they've seen that he drew the weaker link Ferrer (no offense to the guy but that's what he is with Nadal being absent), they don't have to consider him to be an overwhelming favourite to pick him.
Look at it this way, in an isolated AO match Novak may just be a slight favourite to win (say 55 to 45) against Murray but a likely scenario is that Murray will have to beat both Fed and Novak to win while Novak will have to beat Ferrer (who is much less of a lock for SF than either Fed or Murray) and only one out of Fed and Novak thus it makes sense that most people will feel Novak is a safer pick.
What does that have anything to do with the way the draw stands? The only clear estimate of Murray's title winning chances have to do with his chances in his side of the draw vs how Djoko's chances to handle his.
I think you've nailed it buddy. I shouldn't look at this as their collective views on the probability of Nole winning - they are the views of 11 individuals. But you see where I'm coming from - we only place we usually see that level of agreement among the analysts is for Rafa at RG.
I thought that's what I was saying!I think you've nailed it buddy. I shouldn't look at this as their collective views on the probability of Nole winning - they are the views of 11 individuals. But you see where I'm coming from - we only place we usually see that level of agreement among the analysts is for Rafa at RG.
Like tennis.com, ESPN's experts have also mostly gone for Nole (10 of 11). Now, I would make Nole favourite too, but this is getting into 'Rafa at RG' levels among the analysts.
Is Novak really that much of a favourite?
I thought that's what I was saying!
Essentially, a lot of people predicting the same thing doesn't give that much indication as to how confident any of those individuals is with that prediction.
It's one thing to pick a favourite, it's another to gamble your family home on it. None of them would be gambling their family home on a Djokovic win.
These predictions can be a bit like the weather forecast. The experts say there is a 60% of sun, the tabloids announce it's to be sunny, the public think it's BBQ weather, but it turns out to be rainy, so the public think the experts got it wrong.
Incidentally, one of the most "accurate" ways to predict the weather is to say tomorrow's weather will be the same as today's. There are times when that is very, very wrong, but it's right more often than wrong with no expertise of genuine insight required.
I do think that a big reason for picking Nole is that he's very consistent. Even if he's 50:50 on winning, he's almost a dead cert for the final, so no-one will feel bad about picking a losing finalist.
Djokovic is the favorite because he's won the blooming thing in two consecutive years, three overall.
Not hard logic folks.
When it comes to overwhelming picks they have been wrong sometimes.
At the USO 2008 NOBODY picked Federer.
At the FO 2009 EVERYBODY picked Nadal.
At Wimbledon 2011 NOBODY picked Djokovic.
Just saying...
Good points - nobody picked Murray for the USO last year either.
Like tennis.com, ESPN's experts have also mostly gone for Nole (10 of 11). Now, I would make Nole favourite too, but this is getting into 'Rafa at RG' levels among the analysts.
Is Novak really that much of a favourite?
For reference, here's what their predictions looked like for last year's U.S. Open:
Men
Winner: Djokovic (9), Federer (3)
Nobody is suggesting he shouldn't be favourite Bob.
ESPN "experts" also said Fed would never win another slam. Their opinions are no more valid than anyone elses. In fact, they are seem worse at seeing things in tennis then the average fan.
Good points - nobody picked Murray for the USO last year either.