Will Djokovic surpass Federer?

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Netspirit

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veroniquem said:
He has already surpassed Nadal on hard. He will never surpass him on clay. Fed's overall records on hard and grass are quite out of reach even for Djoko. Djoko is not even close at USO but I have a little hope Djoko can surpass Fed at AO and he has a better winning % in masters as well.
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This thread is about overall slam counts, not pivoted by surface or tournament (AO had 2 completely different surfaces and USO has been slowed down in 2010, while RG was reportedly sped up by the lighter ball). Hard, grass or clay - let Djokovic surpass Nadal first, then we can make projections about him breaking the all-time record.

I doubt Djokovic can reach 11, even with 2 HC slams every year vs. 1 clay slam. It sure looks doable now that Djokovic is at his peak, but players decline fast and it will only take one serious ankle or back injury for Djokovic to lose what gives him the edge, and looking at what he does on court I can clearly see that injury coming.
 
veroniquem

veroniquem

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I didn't mention overall slams because it is so obvious Djoko won't surpass (or equal for that matter) 17, I can only assume the op was trolling. So somehow, it was more interesting to use a different angle where comparing actually made sense.

ETA: also imo counting slams is not everything. I like to look at the big picture and at all the stats.
 
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lvuong

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Please continue discussing. It is obvious that Murry cannot win against the new King without the wind.

Nadal is unlikely to recover and even when he is, he will continue to be the Joker's puppet.

No one looks like being able to defeat the new King now, and in the next 2 two years in 5 set match.

I would say the chance of the Fed winning another slam is slimmer than of The Joker surpassing the Fed in Slam count one day.
 
Fiji

Fiji

Legend
Nadal is a goner. Murray refuses to use the cvac. Federer is old. The rest are mugs. Advantage Djokovic. Maybe he gets close to Roger.
 
DeShaun

DeShaun

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I think he could surpass Nadal who seems to be out of the question as being a threat until he actually returns and posts some results that we can look at.
Seventeen seems a ways off yet on Novak's path. Novak seems transcendent however in a way that is not related to surpassing Roger's records. He is like a star that has been sent to earth to encourage her people, I mean this.
 
Fiji

Fiji

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DeShaun said:
I think he could surpass Nadal who seems to be out of the question as being a threat until he actually returns and posts some results that we can look at.
Seventeen seems a ways off yet on Novak's path. Novak seems transcendent however in a way that is not related to surpassing Roger's records. He is like a star that has been sent to earth to encourage her people, I mean this.
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He's definetely surpassing Nadal. Surpassing Federer will be hard..
 
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Prisoner of Birth

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lvuong said:
Please continue discussing. It is obvious that Murry cannot win against the new King without the wind.

Nadal is unlikely to recover and even when he is, he will continue to be the Joker's puppet.

No one looks like being able to defeat the new King now, and in the next 2 two years in 5 set match.

I would say the chance of the Fed winning another slam is slimmer than of The Joker surpassing the Fed in Slam count one day.
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Please continue dreaming. Djokovic won't even reach Nadal, let alone Federer. And some King, who only holds 1 of the 4 Slams. The same as Nadal who hasn't played in 8 months :lol:
 
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Nitish

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lvuong said:
We now can consider Djokovic winning the Australian slam as given. The relevant hypothetical question is if Djokovic win all four Slam this year, will Djokovic surpass Federer slam count at some point?

The possibilities are not hard to imagine given Djokovic flawless defense and striking offense ability now and in the next three years. Plus the cvac machine for quick recovery, it it hard to see anyone beating him in a 5 set match.
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Even if he wins all 4 his playing style is certainly going to take a toll on his body, so no way he surpasses federer
 
DeShaun

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Nitish said:
Even if he wins all 4 his playing style is certainly going to take a toll on his body, so no way he surpasses federer
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Maybe he's gambling that he's got that one body in a million which will stand up to the demands of playing elite level tennis the specific way that he desires for longer than would a normal man in his position be able to.
 
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lvuong

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Don't forget to factor in the Cvac's machine. This guy is indestructible physically.
And he is tough mentally too. I saw countless times he lost the first one or two sets, only clawing back to win at the end. He is playing better and better as the match goes on.
 
SLD76

SLD76

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lets see..with 6 slams, he has to only equal nadal's current slam count to equal fed.


and with his defensive grinding style, should be fairly easy to do.
 
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Prisoner of Birth

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lvuong said:
Don't forget to factor in the Cvac's machine. This guy is indestructible physically.
And he is tough mentally too. I saw countless times he lost the first one or two sets, only clawing back to win at the end. He is playing better and better as the match goes on.
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Seriously, how old are you? Cvac's machine? :lol:
 
Cosmic_Colin

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I see him ending up with 10 or 11. I don't think he's so great on grass, and clay is more wide open. I expect lots of the two hard court slams.
 
DeShaun

DeShaun

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Fed's easy breezy style allowed him to amass more slams "sooner."
Rafa's ground and pound style allowed him to amass more slams "faster."
Novak's chapter is promising, alluring, but yet unwritten.
 
SLD76

SLD76

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DeShaun said:
Fed's easy breezy style allowed him to amass more slams "sooner."
Rafa's ground and pound style allowed him to amass more slams "faster."
Novak's chapter is promising, alluring, but yet unwritten.
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no offense but...none of that makes sense.
 
kishnabe

kishnabe

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We will see....hopefully he can win 4 more. Deserves to be in the 10 slam list.

Surpassing Nadal and Federer when they are active....maybe not.
 
davced1

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Let's start talking if he surpass Sampras and I doubt that. Sure he is superior now but in a few years time there will be new great players emerging and he will get older. Federer was 28.5 years old when he won his 16th slam in Australia and has only won one more since then. Djokovic is now 25.5 years old so if he is to match Federer he must win 3 slams a year in the following years up to the Australian open in 2016 which he must also win. Then they will be tied at the same age (28.5 years). It is possible but he has to be as dominant as Federer was in his prime years. It should also be taken into consideration that Federer at the same age Djokovic is now already had won 10 slams compared to Djokovic 6 so Djokovic is already lagging behind.
 
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SLD76

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DeShaun said:
Which appeals to a postulate apparently still lacking any definition as I originally suspected, but let us hear from himself.
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ok one man won slams sooner...than whom?

one man won slams faster...than what?


what do u mean?
 
tennis_pro

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If Murray continues to be Murray, if Nadal doesn't come back and if Federer reamins to be a grumpy 32-year old, then Djokovic is a firm favorite in every major for the next 2-3 years at least.

The new generation of players sucks so much it's not even funny. There's no-one with a remote chance of beating him.
 
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nikdom

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Djokovic should go for it. Even if he ends up with 11-14 that's a great result.
 
robin7

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I can see Novak winning 2-digit GS counts while Andy collecting 5 at least.

Rafa might add a few more but very unlikely to surpass Roger.

Final tally would be Roger 18, Rafa 14, Novak 12, Andy 6.
 
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augustobt said:
No.
Simple as this.
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forzamilan90 said:
Hahaha of course not.
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Bobby Jr said:
Djokovic's main role in the history books now is being Federer's main tail-gunner to prevent Nadal catching Federer.
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kragster said:
This is a ridiculous thread, I'm as big a Nole fan as any but how can he make up 12 slams
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Prisoner of Birth said:
Djokovic is gonna finish with 10 Slams. A couple more at best. People need to stop dreaming.
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silencer1 said:
Surpassing Nadal would be a huge achievement, but Federer is mission impossible imho.
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Some interesting postings here.

"main tail-gunner to prevent Nadal catching Federer"
Like it.
 
Djokovic2011

Djokovic2011

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tennis_pro said:
If Murray continues to be Murray, if Nadal doesn't come back and if Federer reamins to be a grumpy 32-year old, then Djokovic is a firm favorite in every major for the next 2-3 years at least.

The new generation of players sucks so much it's not even funny. There's no-one with a remote chance of beating him.
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I guess not much changes in ten years, eh t_p? :whistle:;)
 
BeatlesFan

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zvelf said:
These old threads are really amusing. People are so sure of themselves and then reality tells a very different tale.
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In 2012, Fed had 16 slams and Novak had 5. A differential of 11 slams, which is massive. What is amusing about 99% of people firmly believing he'd never pass Roger? Nobody in 2012 except Srjdan thought he'd pass Fed.
 
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stosurforehand

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zvelf said:
These old threads are really amusing. People are so sure of themselves and then reality tells a very different tale.
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Tennis is one of the hardest sports to predict anything. History has proven that. I am comfortable making predictions, particularly right before an event, since it is fun to do, but one should not take it too seriously or be too bullish they are right, since nearly every prediction will ultimately wind up wrong in one way or another. Tennis is one of the most unpredictable sports there is, which is one of the best things about it.
 
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Masayoshi said:
Djoker started peaking too late, and in too strong of an era. 2 all-time greats are swimming in these waters, and they've cost him a chance at the slam record. About 20 slams until he turns 30, he'd have to win at least 10-12 of those to put him in position to snag it post-30. It's not impossible, but I reckon with his style of play, he won't be able to maintain Nole 2.0 for 5+ years.
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Well well!
 
zvelf

zvelf

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BeatlesFan said:
In 2012, Fed had 16 slams and Novak had 5. A differential of 11 slams, which is massive. What is amusing about 99% of people firmly believing he'd never pass Roger? Nobody in 2012 except Srjdan thought he'd pass Fed.
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What's amusing is that they were so sure of themselves and they were all wrong. Federer is almost 6 years older than Djokovic. It's not that unreasonable that Djokovic could make up 11 slams over 6 years, especially coming off 2011 when he was 10-1 against Federer and Nadal put together.
 
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