But you cannot take it away. His clay record is part of his overall record and that overall record is goatworthy.
Nadal is not at all a reverse Sampras. Sampras was not a top player on clay. He never even made a RG final. You can't say that about Nadal on any slam.
It's not the same to make this little game of "take away X surface" with Rafa or Fed, because Rafa's record on clay is better than Fed's on hard court or on grass.
And Rafa's probably better on grass (and maybe on hc) than Fed is on clay.
I'll give Pete that
It is goatworthy...for clay. but overall? No.
His records and achievments show he is the clay goat and a great enough player to win a few slams on other surfaces.
How in the world is a guy who was barely world number one for 2 years( not consecutive) in GOAT discussion?
How is a guy who spent 4 years as world number 2 behind fed GOATworthy?
How is a guy who has never defended a non clay title, not won a world tour final GOATworthy?
And for the last time, NOBODY is saying discount the clay.
What is being said is WITHOUT clay, Nadal who already isnt in the GOAT discussion, would not even be remotely considered based on his off clay resume alone. How you are not understanding this is beyond me.
Meanwhile with Fed take away grass: 5 consecutive USO, 4 AO, 6 WTF, record weeks number 1, record consecutive weeks number( I still give him these because at his peak the gap between 1 and 2 was ridiculous) at least 5 titles at 5 different tournaments, 5 FO finals and 1 FO win. 10 slams, with rafa being only one better.
the only way rafa's resume stacks up to roger's is if you eliminated HC and assume clay tournaments are the same or increased and also add more grass.
And finally, Did I not say that Rafa and Pete's careers are similar in that they dominated one surface
except for the fact that Rafa was better than Pete on his off surfaces(eg grass and HC) than pete was on his(clay)?????
Pete used his grass and HC dominance to retain number 1 ranking since he did nothing on clay every year
Rafa cleans up on clay and was able to finally overtake Fed in the rankings as he started win HC slams and win wimbledon
See how they are similar now????????
If Pete is not GOATworthy because he has no career slam and barely any clay resume, then Rafa is same because his off clay resume (i.e. no world tour finals, barely any non clay masters ) not to mention his lack of YE#1s, consecutive weeks number 1 etc etc.
How many non clay masters does Rafa have? 5,6? How many finals apprearances consecutive or not in grass/hc slams?? And even taking Fed out of the equation for the most part his HC record would still be the same minus winning Miami and 1 possibly 2 WTF.
Take Rafa out of the equation and Fed probably has a couple of Grand Slam years.
Fed was stopped on clay
by the clayGOAT, rafa was stopped on HC for the most part
by the field. How is he GOATworthy again??
Put it like this: Djoker has 6 slams,, 2 more than Rafa's non clay slams. That is still 1 less than the number of slams fed has won at ONE slam.