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thanks comment.
In my opinion there is no such thing as an unstoppable player, because there is no perfect player. Laver for example couldnt do much , even when playing his best, on a fast court against a power hitter (Becker, Sampras, Ivanisevic, etc) with a perfect serve day. How could he, if he isnt able to touch the ball on the return games??? Take a look to the 5 set between Nadal and Rosol at Wimbledon, i honestly dont know if Laver, Sampras, Mc Enroe, Federer or whoever you choose would have stopped Rosol that day. In a way mostly all the players at the top level can be unstoppable so for the same reason none of them really are
All those mighty forehands added have. ..0 majors,live with the fact current era is non competitive
Dan, I had been hoping that we now can discuss on a higher level than before and that you give up to write very strange posts. But I must learn that you again come with that "exhibition" nonsense...
BBC 2 in 1964 was a hard fought top tournament with a worthy winner, Gonzalez. British Lawn Tennis has brought an article on that event. Best of three sets only? Many big tournaments of the pros were best of three, f. i. MSG, PSW... To be correct: MOST pro tournaments were best of three.
delpo win the USO in 2009 ......you fail there ..... they'd have won more slams if not for the era being strong
actually fact is the mid-60s to the early 70s was the worst era ever. ..... :twisted:
and finally, the level of delpo in RG 2009 SF was far better than that of rosewall in RG 1969 final , even though rosewall is the better CC player by far ....
deal with it !
Current foursome is good but not better tham Sampras,Agassi,Becker and Edberg/Courier
Of course the greatest ever is Laver/Rosewall/Hoad/Gonzales followed by Borg/Mc Enroe/Connors/Lendl
Federer > Sampras
Nadal > Agassi
Djokovic > Becker
In which world can be imagined Becker inferior to Djokovic?
In which world can be imagined Becker inferior to Djokovic?
2003-2007 wasn't that bad, only 2006 was particularly weak.
None of what you posted above actually amounts to Becker being a superior player to Djokovic anyway.
here's a clue , its called world of reality ...
djoker > becker on slow HC
djoker > becker on fast HC outdoors
djoker > becker on clay
becker > djoker on grass
becker > djoker indoors
What is the right number of elite players to define tough or weak era?
If it is 4, then 1981 or 1991
If it is 7 then 1958 and 1971
If it is 10 then 1985 and 1995
Of course 1971 and 1981 can be mentioned for the best top 15 ever
Weakest eras are 20's, 40' s and amateur 60's and of course 2003-2007
The 30's would be in the middle
Come on man, stop the trolling please. I know that it is pointless to discuss with you but let`s take a quick look at the field of the 1967 pros, which was Laver`s highest level ever according to most experts (by the way, i rank Rod number 2 all time, perhaps even number 1, he is too close with Fed up there imo).
A field composed of peak Laver, although still great, past his prime Rosewall, ''wheelchair" version of Hoad, senior tour version of Gonzalez, Gimeno (not much of a threath outside clay), Stolle (a second stringer to Emerson in the amateur ranks), and then a list of legends like Buchholz, Ralston, McKay, Davidson, Mills, Barthes, etc. Yeah i see it clearly, that field is just mind boggling.
Lets look at 2004 ''joke'' field: prime Federer, prime Hewitt, prime Roddick, prime Safin, prime Nalbandian, old Agassi, Henman, Coria, Gaudio, Moya, Ferrero, Grosjean, Johansson, etc.
Well now lets see the ''club level'': prime Federer, clay court beast Nadal, young Djokovic, peak Nalbandian, Davydenko, Roddick, Blake, Gonzalez, Ferrer, etc.
Yes, yo do have a point. Weak eras exist after all....
Only Federer and Nadal
2008-2012 is better, more or less like 1930's
I am not trolling I give am opinion but I forgot many posters don' t know what a democracy usCome on man, stop the trolling please. I know that it is pointless to discuss with you but let`s take a quick look at the field of the 1967 pros, which was Laver`s highest level ever according to most experts (by the way, i rank Rod number 2 all time, perhaps even number 1, he is too close with Fed up there imo).
A field composed of peak Laver, although still great, past his prime Rosewall, ''wheelchair" version of Hoad, senior tour version of Gonzalez, Gimeno (not much of a threath outside clay), Stolle (a second stringer to Emerson in the amateur ranks), and then a list of legends like Buchholz, Ralston, McKay, Davidson, Mills, Barthes, etc. Yeah i see it clearly, that field is just mind boggling.
Lets look at 2004 ''joke'' field: prime Federer, prime Hewitt, prime Roddick, prime Safin, prime Nalbandian, old Agassi, Henman, Coria, Gaudio, Moya, Ferrero, Grosjean, Johansson, etc.
Well now lets see the ''club level'' field of 2007: prime Federer, clay court beast Nadal, young Djokovic, peak Nalbandian, Davydenko, Roddick, Blake, Gonzalez, Ferrer, etc.
Yes, yo do have a point. Weak eras exist after all....
Deep down kiki knows the 60s were very weak and he's just trolling. With split fields and very few athletes competing, there's no comparison to the new millenium. Laver, Agassi, Lendl....all have conceded that the depth/competition is higher than their respective era.
Peak Roddick, Saffin, Hewitt, Old Agassi etc...are better players than anyone outside the top 4 today. Even better than anyone outside Federer and Nadal from 08-10 IMO.
Nadal was injured in 09, Djokovic also declined from his 07 and 08 standards in 09/10...particularly in 10. Federer played badly for most of the year in 2010 as well.
So yeah only 2011 to 2012 have been particularly strong.
There were much less HC tourneys in Becker and heavier competition
Only Federer and in a few matches Safin had the raw talent to knock at the door and ask those era players let them play with them
Only Federer and in a few matches Safin had the raw talent to knock at the door and ask those era players let them play with them
The three best eras are late 50 - pros and top ams joint-, early 70 and early to middle 80
Nothing can even dream of being close in terms of toughness, depth of great champions, variety of styles, class,beauty and passion
So the field at the top in 1980 composed of prime Borg, past his prime Connors, youngs Mac and Lendl would wipe the floor with prime Fed, prime Hewitt, prime Roddick and prime Safin. Or would blow off the court prime Djokovic, prime Nadal, past his prime Fed and prime Murray. Nice conclusion there...
Nostalgia must be torturing you. Perhaps in 30 years from now i will be the one schooling the youngsters about weak and strong eras, or educating someone on the super-duper-human abilities of Tipsarevic.:twisted:
Tipsarevic nearly beated top players on several occasions. You shouldn't look down on him. By the way, I don't think that Tisparevic is a testimony to the depths of the field.
I was just being sarcastic about the way Kiki overhypes past era players (especially average players). I dont buy weak or strong eras crap. Since open era began every era produced 2, 3 or 4 fantastic players, Newcombe-Nastase-Smith, Borg-Vilas-Connors, Mac-Lendl, Wilander-Edberg-Becker, Agassi-Sampras-Courier, Fed-Safin-Hewitt, Nadal-Djokovic-Murray.
ARFED, Federer played several years with no Murray and Djokovic and only young Nadal.
Considering that is not crap!!!
Nadal was an early bloomer, he was always a very good player on all surfaces. The likes of Hewitt, Roddick, Safin, Nalbandian, Davydenko etc...are really underrated. They'd certainly provide challenges to the current Big 4.
I have written billion of time that past-prime Roddick has a positive H2H against prime Djokovic, that Davy has a positive H2H against Nadal, that Nalbandian bested consecutively prime Djokovic, Nadal and Fed, but Old Bobby never answered...
becker's competition was a bit better. That's about it.
Even in the most important HC tourney's , AO & USO, becker's performance is significantly inferior to that of djokovic.
the below is not gonna change & is reality . You know it.
djoker > becker on slow HC
djoker > becker on fast HC outdoors
djoker > becker on clay
becker > djoker on grass
becker > djoker indoors
So the field at the top in 1980 composed of prime Borg, past his prime Connors, youngs Mac and Lendl would wipe the floor with prime Fed, prime Hewitt, prime Roddick and prime Safin. Or would blow off the court prime Djokovic, prime Nadal, past his prime Fed and prime Murray. Nice conclusion there...
Nostalgia must be torturing you. Perhaps in 30 years from now i will be the one schooling the youngsters about weak and strong eras, or educating someone on the super-duper-human abilities of Tipsarevic.:twisted:
Jajaja good try, keep talking to yourself that it is possible to even dare placing Safin, Murray or Hewitt at Lendl's, Mac or Connors level
You know, it is the same difference like in music:
While I had Who,Zepp and Queen among a bunch of legends you have Lady Gaga,Bieber and Rhinana
Maybe you all will start understanding but I doubt
When one eats junk every day it is rare will appreciate caviar
There is only one hard
Becker has won at this point more majors including indoor majors and you know it
Jajaja good try, keep talking to yourself that it is possible to even dare placing Safin, Murray or Hewitt at Lendl's, Mac or Connors level
You know, it is the same difference like in music:
While I had Who,Zepp and Queen among a bunch of legends you have Lady Gaga,Bieber and Rhinana
Maybe you all will start understanding but I doubt
When one eats junk every day it is rare will appreciate caviar
Well by that logic you have AIDS, cold war (which was anything but cold), racial segregation, militar dictatorships, etc. Such a golden age indeed.
Look anytime has highs and lows, and as far as i know i can listen to those bands too, and the classical geniuses of previous centuries (much more enjoyable than your ''golden era" i must say).
Regarding tennis, as an argentinian, i would recommend you to watch Nalbandian toying with Nadal at Paris Indoors 2007. If you find that brand of tennis to be boring then you have no clue whatsoever
ARFED, Federer played several years with no Murray and Djokovic and only young Nadal.
Considering that is not crap!!!
ARFED, Federer played several years with no Murray and Djokovic and only young Nadal.
Considering that is not crap!!!
I always meant at the top 10-20 which is what defines tough, medium or weak
At the bottom level, yes, there are many more players now and it looks like end if 70-beginning 80 if we talk about good and massive journeymen
indoor tourneys are not majors. Djokovic is better than becker @ 3 of the slams - AO, FO & USO.
now indoor tourneys were more important during becker's time ....that's a factor to be considered for sure
but djokovic has plenty more weeks @ #1 and 2 year end #1s ....becker never ever came close to having an year like djokovic did in 2011.
Achievements wise, they're at a similar level now. ..you could have arguments for both.
But djokovic will in all likelihood surpass becker easily soon in the future.
Greatest has to be Sampras or Federer Laver was great but 3 of the slams then were played on grass and there were some old farts sending down pies with no video analysis like today for opponents to get after his weakness.
I was just being sarcastic about the way Kiki overhypes past era players (especially average players). I dont buy weak or strong eras crap. Since open era began every era produced 2, 3 or 4 fantastic players, Newcombe-Nastase-Smith, Borg-Vilas-Connors, Mac-Lendl, Wilander-Edberg-Becker, Agassi-Sampras-Courier, Fed-Safin-Hewitt, Nadal-Djokovic-Murray.
Well by that logic you have AIDS, cold war (which was anything but cold), racial segregation, militar dictatorships, etc. Such a golden age indeed.
Look anytime has highs and lows, and as far as i know i can listen to those bands too, and the classical geniuses of previous centuries (much more enjoyable than your ''golden era" i must say).
Regarding tennis, as an argentinian, i would recommend you to watch Nalbandian toying with Nadal at Paris Indoors 2007. If you find that brand of tennis to be boring then you have no clue whatsoever