Flash O'Groove
Hall of Fame
The discussion on the top 10 of all time was very interesting. It was an incentive to discover players I didn't know well at all. I would like to compare the other past great who don't qualify, for a lot of posters, for the top 10.
Here is a an arbitrary list of some players which I want to discuss, with their main achievement. It include only open era great, because I don't know well enough the second tier of the pro era. So if old-timer want to discuss other past great they are welcome.
1. Boris Becker. He won 49 overall single titles, including 6 slams and 3 year end championship, reached 4 slam finals and 5 YEC finals.
2. Edberg. He won 42 titles, including 6 slams (5 finals), and 1 YEC (1 final). He was n°1 for 72 weeks.
2. Wilanders. He won 33 titles, including 7 slams, and reached 4 finals. He won three slams in 1988.
I rank Wilanders and Edberg behind Becker because the AO field, while it wasn't too weak, lacked the presence of some of the top players in the 80's.
4. Nastase. He won 57 titles, including 2 slams, and reached 3 finals, while playing AO only once, when he was old. He also won 4 YEC and reached 1 finals.
5. Courrier. He won only 23 titles, but this include 4 slams and 3 finals. I think is AO are fully legitimate as most of the top players where present. He reached two YEC finals.
6. Ashe. He won 35 open era titles, including 3 slams and 2 finals. He also won one YEC. His AO is legitimate as mot of the top players where present (except the best two...)
7. Newcombe. He won 31 open era tittles, won 5 slams, including 2 AO in very weak fields. He also reached 2 slams finals, one of them in a very weak AO field, and one YEC.
8. Vilas. He won 62 titles, 4 slams, including two AO with weak fields, and one YEC. He reached 3 RG finals. He should probably be ranked higher, but I don't know precisely.
9. Smith, who won 54 open era titles, including 1 USO and 1 Wimby, and to YEC.
9. Kuerten, who won only 20 titles, including three RG and 1 WTF, in a very short career.
9. Hewitt, who won 28 titles, including two slams, 2 YEC, and who reached also 2 slams finals.
9. Kodes, who won 3 slams, including a boycotted wimby with the weakest field ever. He reached two USO finals.
What do you think of this ranking. It only take into account the result and the bigger tournament, but not the consistency to reach a lot of SF, the H2H, the winning percentage, etc. I wish to provide a base for the discussion with it.
Note: I used YEC to design the elite championship at the end of a season. It is a gross simplification but I'm not familiar enough with the different kind of tournaments.
Here is a an arbitrary list of some players which I want to discuss, with their main achievement. It include only open era great, because I don't know well enough the second tier of the pro era. So if old-timer want to discuss other past great they are welcome.
1. Boris Becker. He won 49 overall single titles, including 6 slams and 3 year end championship, reached 4 slam finals and 5 YEC finals.
2. Edberg. He won 42 titles, including 6 slams (5 finals), and 1 YEC (1 final). He was n°1 for 72 weeks.
2. Wilanders. He won 33 titles, including 7 slams, and reached 4 finals. He won three slams in 1988.
I rank Wilanders and Edberg behind Becker because the AO field, while it wasn't too weak, lacked the presence of some of the top players in the 80's.
4. Nastase. He won 57 titles, including 2 slams, and reached 3 finals, while playing AO only once, when he was old. He also won 4 YEC and reached 1 finals.
5. Courrier. He won only 23 titles, but this include 4 slams and 3 finals. I think is AO are fully legitimate as most of the top players where present. He reached two YEC finals.
6. Ashe. He won 35 open era titles, including 3 slams and 2 finals. He also won one YEC. His AO is legitimate as mot of the top players where present (except the best two...)
7. Newcombe. He won 31 open era tittles, won 5 slams, including 2 AO in very weak fields. He also reached 2 slams finals, one of them in a very weak AO field, and one YEC.
8. Vilas. He won 62 titles, 4 slams, including two AO with weak fields, and one YEC. He reached 3 RG finals. He should probably be ranked higher, but I don't know precisely.
9. Smith, who won 54 open era titles, including 1 USO and 1 Wimby, and to YEC.
9. Kuerten, who won only 20 titles, including three RG and 1 WTF, in a very short career.
9. Hewitt, who won 28 titles, including two slams, 2 YEC, and who reached also 2 slams finals.
9. Kodes, who won 3 slams, including a boycotted wimby with the weakest field ever. He reached two USO finals.
What do you think of this ranking. It only take into account the result and the bigger tournament, but not the consistency to reach a lot of SF, the H2H, the winning percentage, etc. I wish to provide a base for the discussion with it.
Note: I used YEC to design the elite championship at the end of a season. It is a gross simplification but I'm not familiar enough with the different kind of tournaments.
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