Did he hit 4 aces in a row? He was the guy who couldn't serve two months ago right?
Some video from the first set of Saturday's rain-postponed match with TTW's trader1499. He won the first set 6-1, but the second set was 1-1 with me serving at 30-15 when we had to stop. This is scheduled to be resumed on Wednesday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy1XCC2gH7w
Correct about the guy, trader1499 at TTW. However, I think that it's 3 clear aces, and perhaps one service winner (there's one that I think I got a tiny bit of my racquet on). Also, those 4 serves weren't consecutive, if I recall correctly. I think there was a double fault, or whatever, between at least two of them. Nevertheless, I don't think that game went to deuce. So, the 4 serves in the vid won that game.Did he hit 4 aces in a row? He was the guy who couldn't serve two months ago right?
Thanks gmatheis. Yes, recover, anticipate, keep moving, etc. etc.Hey tom looking good!
Don't forget to recover to the middle after you hit your shots ... you are leaving quite a large area of the court open while you wait to see what your opponent does.
Keep up the good work!
Hahaha. Yes! That's me.
I'm curious about this also. I know that trader has put in considerable practice time on his serve, because he told me so. Also, at some point I think he just decided to never again hit a pitty pat second serve. Not too long ago he was hitting some second serves that, some of which, were so slow that they would bounce and land inside the service box.Can you explain what you've done in the last 2 months to improve your serve? I don't normally say things like this but, because you've improved So much, I can you your serve before was horrible! I'm complimenting you though.
So take some time to explain what you've done to get the serve you have today? I'm curious if you put in a ton of hours serving. How did you learn?
And I was just studying a few pros serves...Andy Murray. I was trying to find the details of what is taking place in a serve. I watch myself on video and I still think it looks horrible. I basically put in a lot of time. I was injured for a little while with my shoulder when I learned that there was a "continental" grip. It tore my shoulder up right away. Anyhow. I haven't put in that much court time with matches and practicing groundstrokes lately, but I have been getting out to serve. I will usually practice serve for up to two hours. Now that my arm healed, I don't do it with any more pain so I have been trying to flatten out my serve.
Hi Dimcorner. Sounds like a good serve practice routine.I practice serves at least once a week for almost 1 hour (about 2 buckets worth). I mostly concentrate on 2nd serves, toss, brushing, placement, etc. I don't try to go for crazy power so for me it's easy to swing at it for 1 hour.
That and my arm is pretty loose and relaxed during the swing. I don't exactly arm the ball so that helps a lot.
Hi Dimcorner. Sounds like a good serve practice routine.
For myself, my matches are serve practice. On no-match days, if it isn't raining, then I'll usually hit a few serves, but not 2 buckets worth.
I agree that a loose and relaxed arm and grip during serving seems to be one of the keys to successful and painless serving.
Sounds like you're doing something right. I've never learned how to hit a topspin or twist serve. Sometimes my slice serves bounce the opposite way that they're curving, but I don't think that counts, and anyway I want the slice serves to keep going in the direction that they're curving.I'm lucky here because they let me on the court 45 minutes before the group lessons start so all I do is hit serve after serve. 1 bucket one way, pick up and hit back the other way and pick up. After that I go to the group lessons for 1 1/2 hour.
During practice matches I get to courts about 30 minutes early and just go and hit serves as well.
All this has helped me get pretty consistent on them and with a lot of variety. I can hit top spin, slice, flat and twist. I'm working now on trying to add more action to the ball consistently so I'm slowly increasing my swing speed.
It went long.I wonder if that serve went in?
Video of my match yesterday (Aug 6). My previous match with this guy, a 3.5 in our league, was 5-7 6-3 (3-7 tiebreak instead of third set). In the match below he won 6-0 6-2.
First Set
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3qnG5xQtjY
Second Set
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhT-D8YJRDs
That's the goal, but I'm not there yet. I make too many stupid, avoidable errors. I'm impatient, lazy, AND not in optimal condition. Very bad combo.The way you started that first set, I thought you were going to smoke him!
Well, the one that I completely missed apparently did. (It would have helped a lot if I had actually been focused on following the ball all the way into my racquet before I swung at it. Maybe then I would have moved my feet close enough to actually hit it.) In general though they're not really a problem as far as how to hit them, but they are a problem insofar as expending the necessary energy, and staying focused enough, to hit them back effectively.Did you feel those moonballs were giving you problems?
Thanks for the suggestion Dimcorner. I definitely need to do something to counteract my post-shot laziness.I noticed that after serves and most hits you just stand racquet down and watch instead of moving. When movement is an issue for people in badminton I tell them to just do a 1/4 squat/bounce right as the opponent impacts the ball that way you can change directions quickly.
In effect, that's about when I started also. Unless you want to count the year or so that I played back in 75/76.I'm on a quest to get to 3.5 as well! I started playing August 2012 so we'll see how it goes by Dec.
Thanks for the suggestion Dimcorner. I definitely need to do something to counteract my post-shot laziness.
In effect, that's about when I started also. Unless you want to count the year or so that I played back in 75/76.
Best of luck to ya. Post some vids if possible. Where are you?
Thanks RogueFLIP. I watched the series you linked to, as well as some others, and subscribed to the channel. I probably do some of that stuff intuitively, but not consistently. It helps to have it organized and presented in that way.Have you watched any Youtube videos about court positioning? Seems like you are frequently out of position in the last few videos, and then it makes it harder to hit a good shot back.
Recovering to the "proper" position may be able to preserve some energy.
If you haven't, I liked this simple and short series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKLZ9aOj2Ew
If you have, and there are many, then just take this post as a repetitive friendly reminder.
Keep it up!
I play matches in Plantation from time to time. Looking forward to vids.I used to live by Plantation, FL for a while but I'm now in Columbia, SC.
I'll see if I can post some vids of practice matches/match play. Admittedly most of my points come off my serves so my ground game is "meh" at best.
My opponents canceled matches yesterday and today. So, I just practiced a bit. Here's a couple of serves from yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn5riZX-sYQ
Next match is scheduled for Tuesday evening.
Those are pretty much the way I serve in matches. Most of my matchplay serves are as fast or faster than that. Both first and second serves. However, I'm increasingly using a slice serve that has less pace but is more effective.I am guessing you can't regularly serve like that in match play? Because those have way more pace than the average 3.5 serve. Interesting to see, keep it up.
Because those have way more pace than the average 3.5 serve. Interesting to see, keep it up.
I think your fastest serves are a bit faster than mine. Anyway, they're faster than any other opponent I've played from tennisftlauderdale.com since returning to tennis in 2012. On the other hand, there are a few of the Hardy Park regulars who aren't in any organized programs who have much faster serves than either of us. I'd guess that there are a few guys in the Broward Tennis League who have pretty big serves.I don't think my serve is faster. I can barely return yours still. It was good to watch my videos of today because I still see myself not doing all the things I was trying to learn i the serve. My elbow is not even getting close to the degree in the video and I think I have been foot faulting now that I see this but I will have to film from another angle to see if my back foot is going too far forward. My follow through still sucks. And I need a ton of work on the ground strokes. I think I was hitting my backhand well against paul because he doesnt hit all those low balls. So far youre the only one and they give me problems. Plus I am too slow to react often and am not in the right spot. Very frustrating, but I will work harder of course. I seriously need alot more time returning hard serves.
Good playing today Tom. It's always fun... Except at my place last time when I couldnt settle down my frustration.
Yeah, we have a few regulars at my home courts who can really punish the ball. One of them played D1 tennis a few years ago (but his serve isn't an ugly pancake serve). But in this current Summer Season league of tennisftlauderdale.com I think trader1499 and I have the hardest serves.... lots of 3.5ers can reliably hit an ugly pancake harder than that.
Thanks for the helpful suggestions Shroud. Actually, though I do get lots of free points on service winners (though not many aces) most of my opponents hit most of my serves back and in the court most of the time (I think), but with lower level opponents they're often extremely weak returns that should put me in command of the point, but my lazy prep gets me in trouble so I lose LOTS of points that, with proper movement, I should win easily.Just tuned in tom.
My 2 cents is that you should get some pockets. Put the ball in them when you serve and when you are waiting for the ball keep your left pointer finger on the strings, not on the bridge of the racket.
This seems like a small thing but that little finger lets your body know where the strings are. This is huge info for your body to have and well its not much of a change at all.
Also your serve in a way is a victim of its success. Since it is a harder serve than most at that level I think it has gotten you some free points. So you have just got in the bad habit of stopping after you hit the serve....because it often doesnt come back or sails long, etc.
One way I can think of correcting this is to serve against the wall and hit the ball after it comes back. Hit your down the t serve and then hit it back. Even if you suck at this, it should be enough to get your body to know that the serve is not the end but the beginning and you need to prepare and move after you hit that serve. Or have a partner at the net in the ad court feed you balls after you serve to the deuce court, etc.
This is also good because as you get to higher levels that serve WILL come back....
Is that Roddick a Babolat racquet? What strings are you using, and at what tension?Yeah, it was a good day yesterday. Glad we did it. I'm playing Paul again on Thursday. I'm giving him my Nadal racquet to demo because he might buy it. I will then buy another Roddick pure drive!
I got mine restrung not long ago but the strings are frayed a lot already. This didn't happen the first time I bought it before I got it restrung.. Perhaps it's the added power I play with now. I don't know. I decided it is the racquet for me for sure now. It's just a matter of my technique now. I seriously want to practice against your serve more. I need to develop the reflexes and skill to hit that shot back better and feel more comfortable. Maybe I can build some contraption to put my ball machine in to simulate that serve. Hahah Actually no...that would be more heavy stuff to lug around! Hahah
Is that Roddick a Babolat racquet? What strings are you using, and at what tension?
I'm up for practice, drills or matchplay, anytime. I need lots of work on returning your first serves also. We can alternate locations. Next time it's my turn to come out your way.
I had two more cancellations and reschedules. Tonight's match is moved to Sunday morning, and tomorrow's match is moved to Friday evening.
I finally got the video edited. I post it in another post. The last couple of games are missing. I've got to remember to get an 8 or 16 GB memory card. Also, the new AA RayOvac alkaline Ultra Pro batteries suck. The best ones so far for video have been the Sunbeam alkaline for high drain devices. Better than Duracell or anything else I've tried. Unfortunately the Sony Cybershot cam that I'm using only uses disposable batteries. I've got an older Nikon Coolpix 7900 that cost about $350 back in 2005, and uses a rechargable lithium ion battery, but have to get a charger and spare battery for it.
Thanks for the helpful suggestions Shroud. Actually, though I do get lots of free points on service winners (though not many aces) most of my opponents hit most of my serves back and in the court most of the time (I think), but with lower level opponents they're often extremely weak returns that should put me in command of the point, but my lazy prep gets me in trouble so I lose LOTS of points that, with proper movement, I should win easily.
I'm not sure what pointing at the strings after a serve will do though.
RE pointing, I've tried sort of pointing at the ball with my left hand on forehands, or at least having my left hand out in front as a sort of guide or whatever, and it seems to help with consistency. But it's not a habit yet. So, sometimes I forget to do it.
Here is a pict or 2 look closely at the racket and you will see the finger on the strings:
Below are videos of yesterday's practice match with trader1499, which he won 6-1 3-6 3-2 (retired). We began playing a 10-game pro set, then decided to extend it to best 2 out of 3 sets, then the decreasing light became a factor and it was decided that whoever was ahead when it got too dark to play would be the winner. I brightened up the third set video in Windows Movie Maker 2.6.
Warmup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDRvdR-ENJg
First Set
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPdQta0rskA
Second Set
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG60b_RnTwE
Third Set
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9je6Lzenkc
I have a different take on those pictures. Those two guys are doing something that EVERYONE needs to do just before the opponent is about to hit the ball.
Look at their KNEES (and wide stance)! If you're flat-footed / knees straight you've just lost a full step in trying to get any ball they hit back. That step is more important than people realize...
Ok Shroud, I have a practice match tomorrow, so it will be a good time to start doing certain things that you and corbind, and PRO STAFF, and others have suggested.Totally agree. There are a lot of things to be improved upon, like keeping the racquet UP and infront of the body, not down to the left, etc.
I was starting easy But as you and others have observed, a ready position would be a great start with all that it entails.