Roddick picks Federer as GOAT

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Yeah, kinda getting tired of that old song.

It seems reasonable that Andy would pick Roger as GOAT since it was primarily Roger that stopped Andy from achieving several more slam wins. However, Andy's assessment in the interview is spot on.
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SystemicAnomaly said:
Yeah, kinda getting tired of that old song.

It seems reasonable that Andy would pick Roger as GOAT since it was primarily Roger that stopped Andy from achieving several more slam wins. However, Andy's assessment in the interview is spot on.
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He doesn't mention the overwhelming h2h between the two in any stage of the interview, only the facts. I do disagree with Roddick though; I feel Djokovic has a better chance at surpassing Federer than Nadal - especially if he ties the slam record and has a winning record over the other three talents in the game (although unlikely, anything is possible with Djokovic).
 
Clarky21

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I guess he would with his dismal h2h against Fed. What else could he say after being dominated so badly the way he was?
 
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Clarky21 said:
I guess he would with his dismal h2h against Fed. What else could he say after being dominated so badly the way he was?
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So I guess tomorrow if Roger says Nadal is GOAT, you'll say the same right? :)
 
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PSNELKE said:
If I was spanked 21 out of 24 times by Rog, I'd also pick him as the GOAT.
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So what do you expect him to pick? Nole or Nadal who he had better success against them?

Roddick is saying Roger the greatest base on purely accomplishment and domination in his sport.
 
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TMF said:
So what do you expect him to pick? Nole or Nadal who he had better success against them?

Roddick is saying Roger the greatest base on purely accomplishment and domination in his sport.
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Nah, I actually agree with him. But let's be honest, if he didn't pick Rog, he would be accused of being a jealous twat.

He had to name Fred. I mean there are several ex pros who claim Rod is the GOAT, even though he has less accomplished compared to Fred. Andy could have said the latter as well.
 
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PSNELKE said:
Nah, I actually agree with him. But let's be honest, if he didn't pick Rog, he would be accused of being a jealous twat.

He had to name Fred. I mean there are several ex pros who claim Rod is the GOAT, even though he has less accomplished compared to Fred. Andy could have said the latter as well.
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I don't really think so though, Andy has always kept it pretty honest and spoken his mind. Most players think Rog is the best, and him beating them into submission so many times is probably part of it but nowhere near the whole thing. Look how many majors Andy played and could only manage to win 1. He knows the effort it takes, the thought that a guy could go out there and do it 17 times must really make him respect the effort it took.
 
Clarky21

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Anaconda said:
Again, he doesn't even mention h2h at any stage and even highlights that h2h is based on matchup issues.
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Just because he didn't mention it, does not mean he didn't take it into account. Did you ever think that maybe he didn't mention it because it's embarrassing for him? Of course you didn't, but I would bet that dismal h2h definitely played a role in his choice.
 
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Clarky21 said:
Just because he didn't mention it, does not mean he didn't take it into account. Did you ever think that maybe he didn't mention it because it's embarrassing for him? Of course you didn't, but I would bet that dismal h2h definitely played a role in his choice.
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Maybe the fact that no one dominated him to the extent Roger did influenced his choice? Being the same age as Federer roughly he's had the opportunity to experience peak Federer like no current top player has really. I think each generation probably feels their best player is the greatest.
 
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Clarky21 said:
Just because he didn't mention it, does not mean he didn't take it into account. Did you ever think that maybe he didn't mention it because it's embarrassing for him? Of course you didn't, but I would bet that dismal h2h definitely played a role in his choice.
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Andy has always spoken his mind. That put him at odds with many people throughout his career. However, he's been honest and not some typical bandwagoner. At least he's not like BigMac who sways from match to match, not even from tourney to tourney. Besides, if Andy wants to bandwagon, he may just say "Rafa" since the latter has been pretty hot this year, and has the most chance to catch up with Fed, even more than Djoker.
All in all, I believe it's a honest opinion.
 
tipsa...don'tlikehim!

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VPhuc tennis fan said:
Andy has always spoken his mind. That put him at odds with many people throughout his career. However, he's been honest and not some typical bandwagoner. At least he's not like BigMac who sways from match to match, not even from tourney to tourney. Besides, if Andy wants to bandwagon, he may just say "Rafa" since the latter has been pretty hot this year, and has the most chance to catch up with Fed, even more than Djoker.
All in all, I believe it's a honest opinion.
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I miss Roddick's personality
 
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BrooklynNY said:
Surprise Surprise. In other news, the sky is blue.

What did anyone expect Andy to say?
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And I didn't expect a Fed hater to say anything different about a former pro-player's opinion about who is GOAT.

At least Roddick has played tennis at the highest level and has some legitimacy to speak about the matter. What should the opinion of biased and hateful unknowns like you be counted for?
 
BrooklynNY

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I'm not being hateful.. its just a pretty obvious outcome that could have been predicted, which is what I said.

Infact, your comment to me is more hateful than anything I said, accusing me of being 'biased' and 'hateful, when I basically said the exact same thing as you.

("Roddick has played tennis at the highest level" most of his career against Federer) What did anyone expect Andy to say?


also, Jmac's swaying opinion: this doesn't mean he is not honest or a bandwagoner, it means he is a person who changes his mind and feelings on issues as conditions surrounding the issue change, and/or more information becomes available.

Pretty simple concepts.
 
Bhagi Katbamna

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The two most important thing he said:
1. "You cannot argue the numbers."
2. "It isn't about playing one person, it is in the context of a career."
 
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tipsa...don'tlikehim! said:
I miss Roddick's personality
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By watching Andy's interview, I stumbled on some highlights of USO 06 between Fed and Andy.
Here is the link: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7hlst_highlights-federer-vs-roddick-us-op_sport

A few points worth to mention:
1. Both players played quite a bit of S&V. A bit of surprise since I don't remember it (my memory plays tricks on me, obviously).
2. Andy went toe-to-toe with Fed in all these highlights even though he ended up losing the points. Nevertheless, those clamoring Andy is just a 'ball-pusher, no BH, no volley, etc." should watch this match. If not for Fed, Andy would have won (or had a very real chance to win it) this match.
3. Andy changed shirts 3 times and still was wet as out of shower. Meanwhile Fed wore the same shirt, and in the end, you can hardly tell if it was wet. Either Fed was too poor and had only 1 shirt on him and no change (LOL!), or was simply too good. Those who don't appreciate the artistry in motion and fluid style of Fed should perhaps this clip.
 
KillerServe

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Geez, why are these idiots getting all riled up at Roddick for stating the truth. And why are they forgetting the most important word Roddick used. He specifically said the Roger is the GOAT NOWWWWWWWWWWWWW. Shall I say it again? NOW! What sane Nadal fan doesn't agree with that?
 
BrooklynNY

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Maybe Federer's greatest accomplishment was turning his 'Rival' into just another guy that asks him about his accomplishments
 
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what would this 1 slam wonder know. Murray and Djoker have both said that Rafa is the best ever.
 
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VPhuc tennis fan said:
By watching Andy's interview, I stumbled on some highlights of USO 06 between Fed and Andy.
Here is the link: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7hlst_highlights-federer-vs-roddick-us-op_sport

A few points worth to mention:
1. Both players played quite a bit of S&V. A bit of surprise since I don't remember it (my memory plays tricks on me, obviously).
2. Andy went toe-to-toe with Fed in all these highlights even though he ended up losing the points. Nevertheless, those clamoring Andy is just a 'ball-pusher, no BH, no volley, etc." should watch this match. If not for Fed, Andy would have won (or had a very real chance to win it) this match.
3. Andy changed shirts 3 times and still was wet as out of shower. Meanwhile Fed wore the same shirt, and in the end, you can hardly tell if it was wet. Either Fed was too poor and had only 1 shirt on him and no change (LOL!), or was simply too good. Those who don't appreciate the artistry in motion and fluid style of Fed should perhaps this clip.
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That level of shot-making cannot be matched in today's game. Just see the shots they were hitting.
 
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Bhagi Katbamna said:
The two most important thing he said:
1. "You cannot argue the numbers."
2. "It isn't about playing one person, it is in the context of a career."
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How about that, Roddick understands the fact that tennis isn't boxing! A fairly simple concept which seems to completely elude a lot of people on this forum...
 
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KillerServe said:
Geez, why are these idiots getting all riled up at Roddick for stating the truth. And why are they forgetting the most important word Roddick used. He specifically said the Roger is the GOAT NOWWWWWWWWWWWWW. Shall I say it again? NOW! What sane Nadal fan doesn't agree with that?
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Yeah, there's no reason to attack Roddick just because he's telling the truth. Whether if you're a fan of Federer or not, you can't ignore Roger stature.

I never like Barry Bonds but I can't ignore that he was the most fearsome hitter in baseball in 2001.
 
TheF1Bob

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tennis_pro said:
Put Murray and Djokovic in 2004-2007 and they would be lucky to be 1-Slam wonders.
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I agree with the Murray part though.
 
BrooklynNY

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NatF said:
Your point doesn't make sense, tennis_pro was talking about current Murray/Djokovic in 04-07...
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Ok, so you really think the current Murray wouldn't do better than the actual Murray of 2004-2007, who during that period of time was 1-1 against Roger?

He was 6-4 against Roger until 2009, which was the last year Roger made all 4 slam finals.

I don't see how the best version of Murray wouldn't be able to do better than the 2006 version of Murray
 
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BrooklynNY said:
Ok, so you really think the current Murray wouldn't do better than the actual Murray of 2004-2007, who during that period of time was 1-1 against Roger?

He was 6-4 against Roger until 2009, which was the last year Roger made all 4 slam finals.

I don't see how the best version of Murray wouldn't be able to do better than the 2006 version of Murray
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I didn't agree with his point, I was just pointing out your point wasn't really the same.

You do realize that Murray beat a very flat and subpar Federer right? Federer had won Toronto the week before playing 4 back to back 4 setters. Murray was lucky he didn't faced an in form Federer. Murray won a bunch of matches against Federer in small events when Roger was focusing on the slams. It took him 5 sets to beat a much weaker Federer at the AO this year and he lost to him at Wimbledon the year before.

So I don't see Murray doing that well against Federer of 04-07 at the slam level.
 
granddog29

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Poor Federer fans. With legends like McEnroe, Becker, Navratilova, all coming out recently and either stating Federer is not the GOAT, or someone else is, and with the greatest remaining Fedal contemporaries like Djokovic and Murray saying for several years Nadal is the best player of their era, Federer fans are relegated to trying to trumpet Federer's pigeon Roddick trumpeting him the GOAT now. :oops: :lol:
 
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granddog29 said:
Poor Federer fans. With legends like McEnroe, Becker, Navratilova, all coming out recently and either stating Federer is not the GOAT, or someone else is, and with the greatest remaining Fedal contemporaries like Djokovic and Murray saying for several years Nadal is the best player of their era, Federer fans are relegated to trying to trumpet Federer's pigeon Roddick trumpeting him the GOAT now. :oops: :lol:
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I am so excited to see them suffer for the next three years...lol
 
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granddog29 said:
Poor Federer fans. With legends like McEnroe, Becker, Navratilova, all coming out recently and either stating Federer is not the GOAT, or someone else is, and with the greatest remaining Fedal contemporaries like Djokovic and Murray saying for several years Nadal is the best player of their era, Federer fans are relegated to trying to trumpet Federer's pigeon Roddick trumpeting him the GOAT now. :oops: :lol:
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chandu612 said:
I am so excited to see them suffer for the next three years...lol
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If he can suprass Roger unparalleled achievement then good for him since he earn it. I'm not a Serena fan either but if she can surpass Graf colossal career achievement she earn the right to be goat too.
 
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PSNELKE said:
If I was spanked 21 out of 24 times by Rog, I'd also pick him as the GOAT.
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Roddick has an agenda.

1. Is trying to raise his profile for his new show on FOX
2. Before Federer he was the only #1 in history to have such a shocking h2h with his rival. So he sympathizes with Roger, but really he's defending himself.
3. He would rather think his "rival" was the GAOT than not the GOAT.
 
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Nice interview. I do agree, in tennis, it isn't just about playing one person. He was pretty much praised both Federer and Nadal in that interview. For now, Federer's numbers just can't be denied.
 
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rajah84 said:
Roddick has an agenda.

1. Is trying to raise his profile for his new show on FOX
2. Before Federer he was the only #1 in history to have such a shocking h2h with his rival. So he sympathizes with Roger, but really he's defending himself.
3. He would rather think his "rival" was the GAOT than not the GOAT.
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I like your 3rd reason. :)
 
10is

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rajah84 said:
Roddick has an agenda.

1. Is trying to raise his profile for his new show on FOX
2. Before Federer he was the only #1 in history to have such a shocking h2h with his rival. So he sympathizes with Roger, but really he's defending himself.
3. He would rather think his "rival" was the GAOT than not the GOAT.
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Okey dokey -- I guess anyone in the history of any sport who has ever deemed someone the GOAT on the basis of their superlative achievments and accomplishments must have had an agenda as well.

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rajah84 said:
Roddick has an agenda.

1. Is trying to raise his profile for his new show on FOX
2. Before Federer he was the only #1 in history to have such a shocking h2h with his rival. So he sympathizes with Roger, but really he's defending himself.
3. He would rather think his "rival" was the GAOT than not the GOAT.
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Trying to sell his new show/profile? Perhaps. But then the same reasoning, can it not be said about BigMac, Courier, etc. anytime they open their mouths to claim who and who is the GOAT? Isn't it their goal to garner some attention from media/fans to make them watch tennis? LOL.
Look, so far, at least Andy didn't flip-flop as BigMac. So I give him at least that. If he does in the future, then too bad, we all have the right to call him a 'bandwagoner'. So not yet...
As for the h2h, how can people not understand that stat matters only if Rafa won 21 GS finals against Fed. It's not the case. I bet that a few years from now, when people talk about Fed, all they remember is "yeah, that's the guy who won X # GS titles, whereas Rafa won Y # titles". Nobody really cares about h2h. Just like Sampras vs Agasssi. Do you remember what their h2h? Or you just remember that Sampras won more GS titles than Agassi? Clear enough, yes?
 
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Tennis is about the consistency against the whole field, not just one player. Beating 1 player doesn't win you tournaments.
 
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rajah84 said:
Roddick has an agenda.

1. Is trying to raise his profile for his new show on FOX
2. Before Federer he was the only #1 in history to have such a shocking h2h with his rival. So he sympathizes with Roger, but really he's defending himself.
3. He would rather think his "rival" was the GAOT than not the GOAT.
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Bingo!

Pretty much all of Fed's weak era pigeons pump him up to make their own failings seem less horrific (except maybe Hewitt, who appears to actually have a bit more pride and self-respect than some of these chumps). Nobody is convinced.

It was always sad watching guys like Roddick and Blake, knowing that they'd been beaten before they even stepped on court by Fed, because they bought into all that GOAT crap. I bet they couldn't understand why more talented, mentally stronger players like Nadal, Murray and Djokovic managed to beat him.

Far greater players than Roddick ever was are far from convinced Fed is the GOAT. It should tell you something, about Roddick and his self serving agenda.
 
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TMF said:
So what do you expect him to pick? Nole or Nadal who he had better success against them?

Roddick is saying Roger the greatest base on purely accomplishment and domination in his sport.
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Not exactly correct, Federer IS dominated. Losing records to 2 of the other 3 top guys, including one that is terribly one sided. Yes he has the most majors but that's mostly "matchup issues" since his game is suited for the easier conditions of faster courts where even the Bryan Brothers say a "caveman can win" (speaking about Wimbledon).

If 3 of the 4 majors were on higher bouncing courts where it is more difficult to play, his number of majors would be in the low single digits and Nadal would have about 20+.

See how that works? :p
 
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octogon said:
Far greater players than Roddick ever was are far from convinced Fed is the GOAT. It should tell you something, about Roddick and his self serving agenda.
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Yeah, and Fed haters who have been harping about H2H and weak era for god knows how long even though that nonsense has been debunked countless times, have no agenda whatsoever!
 
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