Reissue of Dunlop HM 300G and MW 200G?

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Say Chi Sin Lo said:
TW re-issue PS 6.0 85 is more flexible than the olden days releases. Good or bad is up to the individual player. I, for one, like the more flexible re-issue. :)
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Agreed; these re-issues play very well indeed and has a nice flexy feel, :)
Hope the MW 200Gs will be just as good, :)
 
mad dog1

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Power Player said:
Yep, the Wilson PS85 RI didn't, the older Prince POG didn't, but the new Prince POG reisusses do. At least to me. It's a crapshoot. There are some good experts here who will verify that when they come out though.
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Say Chi Sin Lo said:
TW re-issue PS 6.0 85 is more flexible than the olden days releases. Good or bad is up to the individual player. I, for one, like the more flexible re-issue. :)
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yeah, agree that the latest Wilson PS85 BLX buttcap RI is more flexy than the old ones. i, too, prefer them more so maybe the same will apply to these Dunlop RIs! :cool:
 
SteveI

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Tennisist said:
Beware of the re-issues. Just because they painted it the same, does not mean it will be the same racquet. I've been burned by this.


I've had re-issues of the Revelation. They were nothing like the originals. Their specs were different to boot. This might be a clue.
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There is no way you are getting the same frames from 15 years ago. There are so many better frames out there being sold at discount prices or in the Used Section at TW.. not to mention all the great frames to be had for the TW Classified this time of year. The frames Dunlop are releasing now are so much better IMHO.
 
vsbabolat

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SteveI said:
There is no way you are getting the same frames from 15 years ago. There are so many better frames out there being sold at discount prices or in the Used Section at TW.. not to mention all the great frames to be had for the TW Classified this time of year. The frames Dunlop are releasing now are so much better IMHO.
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The MW 200G came out in 2000 and the HM 300G came out in 2002. It is very possible to get the same frames as when they were new. They have still been manufacturing the HM 300G for Dunlop sponsored players such as Almagro and McEnroe.............
 
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vsbabolat said:
The MW 200G came out in 2000 and the HM 300G came out in 2002. It is very possible to get the same frames as when they were new. They have still been manufacturing the HM 300G for Dunlop sponsored players such as Almagro and McEnroe.............
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Feel better now..?? you got to correct someone today.. boy you took the bait..(I used 15 years to see if you would respond....LOL)

So.. they are old frames and not that great in the 1st place and you think the retail market is going to get the ones that are produced for the Pros.. get real man...
 
vsbabolat

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SteveI said:
Feel better now..?? you got to correct someone today.. boy you took the bait..(I used 15 years to see if you would respond....LOL)

So.. they are old frames and not that great in the 1st place and you think the retail market is going to get the ones that are produced for the Pros.. get real man...
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Not that great is a matter of opinion. I think they are much better than today's offerings. Dont worry about it. I have a original MW 200G and I am getting a new MW 200G. I will compare them just for you. Because I know how concerned you are bout this. You seem very bitter. I would bet you will not even hit with one to see. I never said that you will get "Pro Stock". But that layup is still being used today.
 
aceroberts13

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vsbabolat said:
Not that great is a matter of opinion. I think they are much better than today's offerings. Dont worry about it. I have a original MW 200G and I am getting a new MW 200G. I will compare them just for you. Because I know how concerned you are bout this. You seem very bitter. I would bet you will not even hit with one to see. I never said that you will get "Pro Stock". But that layup is still being used today.
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Do you have an e-mail I could send a few technical racquet questions to? Or refer me to someone who could help? I need some in-depth advice. I'm looking to switch racquets but am not sure which way to go.
roberts.allen.derrick@gmail.com if you're interested
 
Power Player

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SteveI said:
The frames Dunlop are releasing now are so much better IMHO.
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As a guy who has the Mfil 200 and used the 4g200 for a year, I have to disagree. I don't like the new Dunlops at all. A lot of us just prefer the old school feel and response for our game. The newer sticks are launchier, and while that means more power for baselining, it makes lobs, drops and approaches more difficult for me to adjust to.

Its really a personal thing, but I just love the old school sticks. Add some poly in there and go.
 
tacotanium

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MAXXply said:
I wonder why Dunlop is reissuing the 300G in the HM PJ and the 200G in the MW cosmetic. Why not one or the other?

It will be interesting to read future threads and reviews of these rackets, in particular the MW200.

Is there potential for the hype on the reissued MW200 to match the TF 315 Ltds? #PT630-ish #Butter

Wow and at only $120 too - bargain?

Say Chi Sin Lo said:
MW 200G was tremendously successful when it was released.

Then the HM line was released and the HM200G was not as popular as the MW version (that's only because the MW200G absolutely killed it!). Meanwhile, the then-newly introduced 300G filled a nice niche of 10.5-11.5oz range of players' frames.
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So this new MW 200G just released, is a 200G? I'm confused (I'm only familiar everything after the AG series)? The reissuing of this MW 200G is not the original MW 200G?
 
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Vs. I look forward to your review as they are always so helpful. Best to ignore those who seek to undermine your credibility. I too prefer more flexible sticks such as older Head or Volkl
Frames. Although the Volkl V1 pro has won me over as it is quite unique IMO. I also wish Babolat would restore the old Vs gut formulation.
 
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Say Chi Sin Lo

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And to all the haters about frames being re-issued and "not playing like the original release"... and all that other nonsense...

So what? No one told you to get these re-releases. It's just another racquet.
 
vsbabolat

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APG said:
Vs. I look forward to your review as they are always so helpful. Best to ignore those who seek to undermine your credibility. I too prefer more flexible sticks such as older Head or Volkl
Frames. Although the Volkl V1 pro has won me over as it is quite unique IMO. I also wish Babolat would restore the old Vs gut formulation.
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Thanks! I appreciate it. A buddy of mine just got his HM 300G today. I can report its the same specs as before. I only thumped it on the heel of my hand and I can report that there is zero vibration at all and supper solid. I cant wait to hit the courts with him tomorrow. I'm waiting till TW gets the 200G up on their site to get mine. Super excited about this!
 
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Say Chi Sin Lo

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vsbabolat said:
Thanks! I appreciate it. A buddy of mine just got his HM 300G today. I can report its the same specs as before. I only thumped it on the heel of my hand and I can report that there is zero no vibration at all and supper solid. I cant wait to hit the courts with him tomorrow. I'm waiting till TW gets the 200G up on their site to get mine. Super excited about this!
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Rubber paint and all?
 
Automatix

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vsbabolat said:
Thanks! I appreciate it. A buddy of mine just got his HM 300G today. I can report its the same specs as before. I only thumped it on the heel of my hand and I can report that there is zero no vibration at all and supper solid. I cant wait to hit the courts with him tomorrow. I'm waiting till TW gets the 200G up on their site to get mine. Super excited about this!
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Noooooo! My poor wallet. ;)

Thx for the info. Wondering if it's a USA only release, waiting for T-Dub to answer.
 
sargeinaz

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The rackets are up on TW. I know the MW 200G is for advanced players and I dont hit big enough to use it, but ill be damned if it isnt one of the nicest paintjobs of all time (the Revelation 200G is my favorite dunlop paintjob). Looking forward to reviews. That would be nice if they had a 16x19 version too.
 
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Say Chi Sin Lo

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sargeinaz said:
The rackets are up on TW. I know the MW 200G is for advanced players and I dont hit big enough to use it, but ill be damned if it isnt one of the nicest paintjobs of all time (the Revelation 200G is my favorite dunlop paintjob). Looking forward to reviews. That would be nice if they had a 16x19 version too.
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Don't be intimidated. You'll be surprised by how sweet it feels. :)
 
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Say Chi Sin Lo said:
Don't be intimidated. You'll be surprised by how sweet it feels. :)
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Oh I have no doubt it hits sweet, but if its like other dunlop 200s Ive hit, theres just not enough pop for me. I also never get along with 18x20 patterns. The only 18x20 stick Ive ever liked is the Prestige Mid. Makes no sense I know. I dont even like the prestige MidPlus (it has less power/pop to me than the mid).
 
SteveI

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Hi would not pay $120.00 for these frames.. just wait about 6 months and pick them up off the TW Classified for $50.00 after the hype is gone and folks realize they are just your average frames...nothing special. Just like the Wilson KPS88.. all hype and can't find folks play it now. These frame were groundbreaking years ago...now not so much. The 200 is very low powered and I see the SW is even lower than before.. try to get pop out of that soft club. Get the lead out for the 300G is it is like swinging a piece of rice paper.
 
Power Player

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What is up with the negativity? Plenty of players can get pop out of these sticks, even though they are low powered. I personally have tried to adapt to twiners many times and always find myself coming back to a more classic feeling, soft frame. I love the APD, but the vibrations, thick beam and launchy nature of the racquet don't really suit me.

I think most would add lead to the 300G since it is a platform frame. Hell, even the new Prince Classics have more platform-ish specs.

Most guys on the pro tour are still using these classic sticks weighted up because of the feel, familiarity and also because the only real change in tennis has been strings since graphite racquets took over.
 
mad dog1

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SteveI said:
You had better be very strong and very good to get any pop out of that frame.
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don't worry about say chi sin lo. his main stick is the latest version of the PS85 so getting pop from these frames won't be an issue. :)

:idea: if i'm not mistaken, you're a big fan of BHBR. this makes more sense to me now since BHBR is a more powerful poly due to its elastic nature. for those of us who can generate our own power and can't stand BHBR because of its launchy & unpredictable nature, i don't think the power levels of the HM 300G and MW 200G will be an issue. but we do appreciate your concern. :mrgreen:
 
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LafayetteHitter

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SteveI said:
Hi would not pay $120.00 for these frames.. just wait about 6 months and pick them up off the TW Classified for $50.00 after the hype is gone and folks realize they are just your average frames...nothing special. Just like the Wilson KPS88.. all hype and can't find folks play it now. These frame were groundbreaking years ago...now not so much. The 200 is very low powered and I see the SW is even lower than before.. try to get pop out of that soft club. Get the lead out for the 300G is it is like swinging a piece of rice paper.
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I think it's interesting seeing the excitement esp considerng the review on the MW200 by TW was not a good review for this frame at all and almost everyone that uses it will be complaining about how underpowered it is and trying to figure out how to increase the power....haha..think i'm joking, wait and see.
 
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Say Chi Sin Lo

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mad dog1 said:
don't worry about say chi sin lo. his main stick is the latest version of the PS85 so getting pop from these frames won't be an issue. :)

:idea: if i'm not mistaken, you're a big fan of BHBR. this makes more sense to me now since BHBR is a more powerful poly due to its elastic nature. for those of us who can generate our own power and can't stand BHBR because of its launchy & unpredictable nature, i don't think the power levels of the HM 300G and MW 200G will be an issue. but we do appreciate your concern. :mrgreen:
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I've always used low-powered, heavy, thin-beamed, and headlight frames. (HM 200G -> i.Prestige Mid -> PC600 -> BLX90 -> PS 6.0 85).

The only time I used a somewhat powerful frame was before I went to the HM 200G. (Head Ti. Heat -> PRTi)

The key to power is not strength, but timing. If you hit the ball in the middle of the sweetspot, you'll get power out of ANY racquet. Although I'm decently strong for someone my size, it's all about timing man. I know kids who can out hit me.
 
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Say Chi Sin Lo

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LafayetteHitter said:
I think it's interesting seeing the excitement esp considerng the review on the MW200 by TW was not a good review for this frame at all and almost everyone that uses it will be complaining about how underpowered it is and trying to figure out how to increase the power....haha..think i'm joking, wait and see.
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I think these TW reviews provide a great reference, but everything boils down to your own interpretation.
 
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Top Jimmy

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Question:

I played with the 4D 200 Tour and loved it but it weighed in at 12.7 oz and 350+ something swing weight which got to be too much for me.

How would this compare?

I actually don't have a problem with the tighter string pattern so spec wise it could be about right.
 
Matchball

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To add one more question, can someone possibly compare the Muscle Weave to the Bio 200? I liked how low powered the Bio 200 was, very balanced, playing sweetly and with prestige like precision; I wish there was more bite on the ball.

Truth be told, thinner gauge strings and low tension compensated for the relative lack of bite. I also liked the Bio on returns, could confidently crash balls, often going for aggressive, flat returns when timing was good.

But seriously can someone offer us a comparison?
 
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Matchball said:
To add one more question, can someone possibly compare the Muscle Weave to the Bio 200? I liked how low powered the Bio 200 was, very balanced, playing sweetly and with prestige like precision; I wish there was more bite on the ball.

Truth be told, thinner gauge strings and low tension compensated for the relative lack of bite. I also liked the Bio on returns, could confidently crash balls, often going for aggressive, flat returns when timing was good.

But seriously can someone offer us a comparison?
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I agree with the above would really like to hear more about the MW & HotMelt 200g. The Bio 200 just didn't have the dwell time in comparison to other frames with a similar flex rating.
 
-Bobo-

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ProRadTour said:
I agree with the above would really like to hear more about the MW & HotMelt 200g. The Bio 200 just didn't have the dwell time in comparison to other frames with a similar flex rating.
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I thought the bio 200 was the best frame I hit except for the fact that it turned my serve which is my greatest strength into my greatest weakness. For everything else it was amazing. Also for it's weight the bio200 is the most solid frame I've ever hit, much more solid feeling than the 4d200 ( i know people say the 4d has more plow and it does but it doesn't feel as solid or of a piece as people put it on these forums). The 4d is the better frame for serving though, for me at least I get a ton of free points from the serve with it, this wasn't the case with the bio.

You might be perceiving a lack of dwell time since the hoop was pretty stiff and all the flex was in the throat on the bio200. But to me the Pt600 was the same, really solid hoop, really flexy throat.

If I could get a bit more pop on the first serve with this and get the rest of the benefits of the bio200 might have to get a few.
 
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PKfan1

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How does the MW compare to the HM 200g? Are they closer to each other than the HM and Bio? I love the Hotmelt 200g, but not as high on the bio.
 
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PKfan1 said:
How does the MW compare to the HM 200g? Are they closer to each other than the HM and Bio? I love the Hotmelt 200g, but not as high on the bio.
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I played with the 200g series through the Aerogel and left. The MW was more buttery than the HM, but not by much. These two were similar in feel to me with the HM being a little stiffer in the upper hoop area. I would think you would get along well with the MW. I loved both of them and miss them to this day.
 
SteveI

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My question is ..if these frame were so sweet and so good... why did folks just not buy up like 30 of each when they were new? Hummm? Because you never really loved the frame that much and moved on, like we all do to better frames that are more effective for todays' modern game.
 
vsbabolat

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SteveI said:
My question is ..if these frame were so sweet and so good... why did folks just not buy up like 30 of each when they were new? Hummm? Because you never really loved the frame that much and moved on, like we all do to better frames that are more effective for todays' modern game.
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You do know racquet technology has not improved in over 25 years. Its the strings that have changed. I guess you buy into the marketing that every 2 years there is another huge breakthrough.
 
Power Player

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Exactly. I have tried a bunch of sticks and the 100% graphite ones with no real tech play the best to me. They are easily competitive with any futuristic Babolat if you know how to play.

The Tec 315, Prince OG, These new Dunlops, Wilson Pro Staff..etc. All used by players worldwide to this day who value feel and control. It is the strings that have changed the game the most.

The biggest racquet change to me is head size. Most players use 95 and up now.
 
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bluetrain4

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Loved the MW 200g back in the day. Are they really making these again, or are did they come across some inventory and trying to get it off their hands?
 
BreakPoint

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Power Player said:
Exactly. I have tried a bunch of sticks and the 100% graphite ones with no real tech play the best to me. They are easily competitive with any futuristic Babolat if you know how to play.

The Tec 315, Prince OG, These new Dunlops, Wilson Pro Staff..etc. All used by players worldwide to this day who value feel and control. It is the strings that have changed the game the most.

The biggest racquet change to me is head size. Most players use 95 and up now.
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Agreed. The POG and PS 6.0 85 (which are 35 and 30 years old, respectively) are still better than 99% of the racquets currently on the market. That's why the POG and PS 6.0 85 are still available, so many years later. They are "classics" for a good reason.
 
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bluetrain4 said:
Loved the MW 200g back in the day. Are they really making these again, or are did they come across some inventory and trying to get it off their hands?
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They are being sold through several outlets so they are probably making them again, just like with the POG and PS 6.0 85.
 
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Power Player said:
Exactly. I have tried a bunch of sticks and the 100% graphite ones with no real tech play the best to me. They are easily competitive with any futuristic Babolat if you know how to play.

The Tec 315, Prince OG, These new Dunlops, Wilson Pro Staff..etc. All used by players worldwide to this day who value feel and control. It is the strings that have changed the game the most.

The biggest racquet change to me is head size. Most players use 95 and up now.
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The Pro staff's weren't 100% graphite. The Pro Tour 280 wasn't either. Only the POG claims to be 100% graphite. Manufacturers have been mixing other substances with graphite for a long time.
I agree that these racquets do feel better but it's hard to say what's "no real tech". I think there's a general consensus on this board that flexible, heavy, headlight and low powered frames feel good but I have to remember, I'm old. I grew up on those frames.
 
Power Player

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Yes you are right The Red. I guess the proper phrasing would be minimal tech. I just prefer the consistent ball feel of that style of racquet. For example - Tec 315 is graphite and has Texalium. I would call that minimal tech.

The APD has cortex, woofers, tungsten added for stiffness. It is the opposite in feel to me.
 
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Say Chi Sin Lo

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I like how none of us answered that "modern racquet/buy 30 of these racquets if you liked it so much" post.

Haha.
 
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Say Chi Sin Lo said:
I like how none of us answered that "modern racquet/buy 30 of these racquets if you liked it so much" post.

Haha.
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You mean this?

SteveI said:
My question is ..if these frame were so sweet and so good... why did folks just not buy up like 30 of each when they were new? Hummm? Because you never really loved the frame that much and moved on, like we all do to better frames that are more effective for todays' modern game.
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The thing I like about this post is.. umm.. wait, never mind.

In terms of buying frames, If you really like a frame, I suggest stocking up on them. The reason is because sooner or later, they will be discontinued. I know they can be re-issued, but not everyone plays with with the 'popular' frames such as the PS 85 or a HM 300G. I see and hear a lot of praise for the classic frames, but I don't see many people using them..

It would be interesting if racquet companies like HEAD and Wilson make a poll on their social media pages about the classic frames.. I would expect a lot of hilarious responses like the one Say Chin Sin Lo was mentioning.
 
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got my 300's today. throat looks pretty thick. isn't the same semi-gummy rubber paint you can put nail marks in. head looks very oval. strung it free with 18g syn gut at 65 lbs. hit a couple balls around the apt and it feels a little more solid, a little softer than the original. won't have the same POCK-sound when you hit. (i'm familiar with both 300g and the hotmelt 200g, haven't tried the muscle weave but it's right in my wheelhouse). swingweight seems closer to 315-320. i will try them in stock. break the string quickly, then look for almagro's specs for one and compare it to a stock version.
 
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