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Monday night my 4.0 team played in the championship playoff match for the our local doubles-only league and this interesting scenario played out. All dual meets consist of 4 doubles matches, each of which are best of 3 sets (no 10 point tiebreaks yea!) and if the courts split 2 and 2 then the match tiebreak is to next look to number of games won by each team.
I wasn't playing but was there to watch and this is what happened.
We had won court 1 (2 and 3) but lost court 2 (1 and 3) and lost court 3 (3 and 4) and our court 4 team had won their first set 7-5. That means with only court 4 remaining we were down in matches 1 to 2 and down 4 games.
I wandered over to the gazebo overlooking court 4 and found out that they were tied in the second set 4 all and quickly realized along with several other players who had finished playing that if our team wins this set we lose the championship.
It appeared the best chance we had for pulling out a team win based on games was for court 4 to lose the second set at 6-7 so our team would be down 5 overall games, then try to win the third set 6-0 to win outright or 6-1 to force a tie. If a tie in games occurs these rules apply:
The question is would you tell your court 4 team tied at 4-4 in their second set the situation? They asked spectators who told them that we were down 1-2 in matches and were down in games but no mention of the possible winning scenario I mentioned above.
As I look in our local league rules for the first time I see this blurb:
One other factor to consider is that my team has won this very competitive (9 teams typically vie for it) league championship the last two seasons. While my captain would have loved to do the threepeat it may have been good for the health of the league to spread the wealth a bit. The captain was not one of the court 4 spectators as he was chatting elsewhere with his just-completed match opponent 50 feet away in another gazebo.
I was injured after the regular season and didn't get to participate in any of the three playoff matches and I don't really need another hand towel or Tervis tumbler so I wasn't that broken up that we lost.
Cliff notes: In a championship match where a team needs to intentionally lose a set close then win a final set big to have a chance to get the team win do you tell them?
Monday night my 4.0 team played in the championship playoff match for the our local doubles-only league and this interesting scenario played out. All dual meets consist of 4 doubles matches, each of which are best of 3 sets (no 10 point tiebreaks yea!) and if the courts split 2 and 2 then the match tiebreak is to next look to number of games won by each team.
I wasn't playing but was there to watch and this is what happened.
We had won court 1 (2 and 3) but lost court 2 (1 and 3) and lost court 3 (3 and 4) and our court 4 team had won their first set 7-5. That means with only court 4 remaining we were down in matches 1 to 2 and down 4 games.
I wandered over to the gazebo overlooking court 4 and found out that they were tied in the second set 4 all and quickly realized along with several other players who had finished playing that if our team wins this set we lose the championship.
It appeared the best chance we had for pulling out a team win based on games was for court 4 to lose the second set at 6-7 so our team would be down 5 overall games, then try to win the third set 6-0 to win outright or 6-1 to force a tie. If a tie in games occurs these rules apply:
In a 4-match Dual Meet, a fifth (5th) point will be awarded to the team winning the most games. ... In case of a tie in games, the players in the last match to finish will play a set tiebreak (the first to 7 by 2 points) to determine the awarding of the fifth point.
The question is would you tell your court 4 team tied at 4-4 in their second set the situation? They asked spectators who told them that we were down 1-2 in matches and were down in games but no mention of the possible winning scenario I mentioned above.
As I look in our local league rules for the first time I see this blurb:
and I guess telling a team they needed to lose a set close then win the final set big would be coaching so my question is probably academic but I'm still wondering if this situation has come up before and how it was handled.Coaching by spectators or teammates is not allowed.
One other factor to consider is that my team has won this very competitive (9 teams typically vie for it) league championship the last two seasons. While my captain would have loved to do the threepeat it may have been good for the health of the league to spread the wealth a bit. The captain was not one of the court 4 spectators as he was chatting elsewhere with his just-completed match opponent 50 feet away in another gazebo.
I was injured after the regular season and didn't get to participate in any of the three playoff matches and I don't really need another hand towel or Tervis tumbler so I wasn't that broken up that we lost.
Cliff notes: In a championship match where a team needs to intentionally lose a set close then win a final set big to have a chance to get the team win do you tell them?