Bobby,
there comes a time when it´s necessary to change tactics, once you realize your original plan doesn´t work
your argument with Dan has become so antagonistic, that i think the chances of you convincing him are about nil
both Dan and you are members of a minority, as you care deeply about the history of tennis
wouldn´t it be wonderful, if more tennis players would become aware of the greats of the past in our sport
i admire both Hoad and Rosewall. there sportsmanship and way to handle themselves has impressed me as a youngster and continues up to this day
treblings, Thanks for your nice words for Dan and me.
Yes, it's a shame that many current players have little knowledge of and interest for the greats of older times. Even Federer once said, if I remember well, that he did not play against Rod Laver (meaning he does not know who of the two is greater), forgetting that there were a few other old players of Laver's (and Roger's) calibre, i.e. Tilden, Gonzalez and Rosewall (and maybe Budge, Kramer, Vines and Hoad).
Laver is often taken as an alibi for modern players (and also for some posters here) to not only consider greats of recent and current times. There "must" be ONE dino or alien involved in the GOAT discussion in order to be "serious". As some other posters have stated, Gonzalez and Rosewall also deserve to be considered as GOAT candidates and maybe some others, like Borg or Sampras, not.
It's great you admire both Hoad and Rosewall (as I too am doing), especially for their sportsmanship. In comparison to them (and Laver, Emerson, Newcombe, Roche and so on) some other greats are not a model in that area, players like Pancho Gonzalez (who used to intimidate his opponents, even Laver and Rosewall), Nastase and McEnroe...
You are probably right that it's time for me to change my tactics towards Dan Lobb. But at the moment I just have not found an alternative, as told in my answer to hoodjem. I just cannot believe that a man with a degree in economics and with a huge knowledge about tennis history, can often argue only in an extremely "strange" way (to avoid using any insult here). Dan's stubborness and Hoad bias is so intensive that I'm a bit sad. Rather sad and disappointed than offended or angry. Me and other posters (alas, not all who could do it!) have explained a few matters to Dan (Hoad as "GOAT"; peak play vs. achievements; prize money vs. other criteria; Rosewall's deserved No.1 place for 1961, 1962 and 1963; Hoad's "13" wins against Laver in early 1963; the 1968 WCT rankings) that I just cannot imagine an intelligent person who ignores all the facts, records, results and arguments and proofs and refutations....
I often thought to myself: My new argument will convince Dan; this time my "intelligent" reasoning will lead to Dan's inspiration, at least in this or that tiny point. But I got disappointed time after time. I even felt it was a blame for me to not being able to convince that funny guy from Canada... Was it my non-perfect kind of argumentation or was it yet Dan's stubborness, I asked myself sometimes.
Regarding Dan, I can use an Austrian (only Austrian?) term: I'm at the end of my Latin...
Perhaps it's the best for Dan and me (plus hoodjem) to give Dan and me a break...