Where does Murray go from here?

Mainad · Jul 10, 2015

I have to face facts: Murray has not beaten either Djokovic or Federer for 2 years now! They are the current world # 1 and # 2 players.

The back surgery has proved to be the great divide in Murray's career. Prior to that, he had won his last matches against Federer (2013 AO) and Djokovic (2013 W0). Since the surgery (Sept 2013) he has gone 0-8 v Djokovic and 0-4 v Federer.

Where does he go from here? Has he just declined or have they got better? Will he ever get back to his pre-surgery level and start winning some matches against them again or has he simply become their gatekeeper?

Thoughts? (No troll haters please)

Nathaniel_Near · Jul 10, 2015

He keeps on going. That's where he goes. Also, I think he's basically at pre-surgery level or close to it. He just needs a couple more big wins to really open things up for himself.

Andy Murray is on a good path.

Nathaniel_Near · Jul 10, 2015

To add, Federer is very skilled on grass and just happened to have one of the most ridiculous serving performances I can ever remember. By contrast, Murray has problems in taking care of his service compared to Fedalovic. This is a problem on grass, because Federer will get his looks, but protects his service so much that Murray is already unlikely to get good looks on return, even more so with Federer serving as ridiculously as he did today. Murray played very well. He needs to work on tactics for protecting his serve - tactically, that's where he needs to go.

jm1980 · Jul 10, 2015

I think he's on the right path. He finally beat Nadal (on clay, no less) again and pushed Djokovic to the brink in the FO.

Today he was simply outplayed by an improved Servebot playing well. Could have been a little mentally stronger in the games he got broken but he's close to his pre-surgery levels.

fps · Jul 10, 2015

He goes to Ivan Lendl's door. There may be more to life than tennis, as Andy's been hinting at, but Fed and Djokovic are married with kids and still totally destroying it on court. The current coaching set-up is about to be further disrupted, his career is short, it doesn't take a genius to see what's missing when he's started doing things like swearing at himself on court again.

fps · Jul 10, 2015

That said, he did actually play very well today!

eliars · Jul 10, 2015

Murray is going to beat either Federer or Djokovic in the american hard court swing I think. He has a good record over at least Djokovic there.

He's playing some really good stuff, and more importantly I'm liking his attitude on court. He has been close a lot of times vs. Djokovic - he just needs to get over the final hurdle. If he continues to play as he's done and add a few percentages, the wins are going to come.

Nathaniel_Near · Jul 10, 2015

His strongest part of the season is coming right up.

Mainad · Jul 10, 2015

fps said:
He goes to Ivan Lendl's door. There may be more to life than tennis, as Andy's been hinting at, but Fed and Djokovic are married with kids and still totally destroying it on court. The current coaching set-up is about to be further disrupted, his career is short, it doesn't take a genius to see what's missing when he's started doing things like swearing at himself on court again.

I have to admit, I do miss Lendl. Mauresmo has been doing a much better job than I gave her credit for (I was a little unkind about her at the start) but the fact remains that Andy hasn't won any Slams with her yet like he did with Ivan and until that happens, Lendl is going to remain the gold standard for all Murray's coaching relationships.

torpantennis · Jul 10, 2015

Murray's gonna beat Djokovic a couple of times this season, much to the delight of Federer.

Deleted member 77403 · Jul 10, 2015

Nathaniel_Near said:
His strongest part of the season is coming right up.

Disagree with you, the strongest part of the season started in Queens. He was just outplayed today by probably the greatest grass court player of all time, no shame in that.

tennisaddict · Jul 10, 2015

Andy's biggest problem is Djokovic. He has to hope Djokovic gets taken out by Stan or Fed. Andy should try to get to number 2 ranking , so he can avoid Novak till the final.

I don't see Andy winning against Novak in the near term anywhere except grass.

Nathaniel_Near · Jul 10, 2015

Hitman said:
Disagree with you, the strongest part of the season started in Queens. He was just outplayed today by probably the greatest grass court player of all time, no shame in that.

Arguable in terms of quality, though I'm not sure he's better on grass than in HC. Even if he has an edge either way, there are no grass 1000s. It could be the most fruitful period of Murray's season but it isn't because there aren't enough tournaments. There are in the US HC swing and he's won many 1000s in that part of the season + a US Open. In practical and rational terms, the best part of his season is coming up, because the tournaments are plentiful and the difference in his quality on grass and fast HC is negligible.

If you're simply not bothered about the different surfaces, then I agree that technically his time to make hay started from Queens onward.

Deleted member 77403 · Jul 10, 2015

Mainad said:
I have to admit, I do miss Lendl. Mauresmo has been doing a much better job than I gave her credit for (I was a little unkind about her at the start) but the fact remains that Andy hasn't won any Slams with her yet like he did with Ivan and until that happens, Lendl is going to remain the gold standard for all Murray's coaching relationships.

Well take a look at this, after reaching his first W 2012 final being coached only a few months under Lendl, he wins SOG, wins US Open, wins Miami, wins Wimbledon, and also makes the final of AO, getting his first slam win over Roger and beating Novak for both his slam titles. That is gold standard.

Krish872007 · Jul 10, 2015

Andy's on the right path - to be honest, I think he was playing well enough to beat basically everyone else today. There's still the US Open to go and I think he can assemble his game for that, and just remember to be as aggressive as possible against the top guys.

NatF · Jul 10, 2015

Murray goes into every event for the rest of the year as one of the top favorites. I think he's clearly at his pre-surgery levels now he was just outplayed by an on fire Federer on his favorite court. I still think Murray will end the year #2 by being more dangerous at the HC events coming up - assuming Federer doesn't win Wimbledon.

Nathaniel_Near · Jul 10, 2015

@Mainad

You sound dejected, but yet I don't see any reason for panic unless there's something I'm missing.

Deleted member 77403 · Jul 10, 2015

Nathaniel_Near said:
Arguable in terms of quality, though I'm not sure he's better on grass than in HC. Even if he has an edge either way, there are no grass 1000s. It could be the most fruitful period of Murray's season but it isn't because there aren't enough tournaments. There are in the US HC swing and he's won many 1000s in that part of the season + a US Open. In practical and rational terms, the best part of his season is coming up, because the tournaments are plentiful and the difference in his quality on grass and fast HC is negligible.

If you're simply not bothered about the different surfaces, then I agree that technically his time to make hay started from Queens onward.

This is what I mean. Not bothered about surfaces here. Its like saying Djokovic's best time is indoors leading into slow outdoor HC - That is his best period to win. Murray is currently in the midst of his.

Deleted member 77403 · Jul 10, 2015

NatF said:
Murray goes into every event for the rest of the year as one of the top favorites. I think he's clearly at his pre-surgery levels now he was just outplayed by an on fire Federer on his favorite court. I still think Murray will end the year #2 by being more dangerous at the HC events coming up - assuming Federer doesn't win Wimbledon.

Yeah, a lot depends on this Wimbledon final. It can have a real impact on where Murray will stand, not only in end of year ranking, but getting seedings to have a chance to avoid playing Novak and Roger back to back.

D.Nalby12 · Jul 10, 2015

There must be some back related issue. Just take a look at his performance in this season:

1 GS Final.
2 GS Semifinals.
1 Masters title.
1 Masters Final.
1 Masters SF.
1 500 title.
1 250 title.
Career best 46-7 record at this point of the season.

Yes, there must be back related issue. He was winning 3 GS titles per season before "a very major" back surgery and now he is clearly dried up. Without surgery, he was destined to eclipse Federer's all records. Just feel sad for him. Surgery destroyed his career. Just unlucky.

Poisoned Slice · Jul 10, 2015

Home to play some playstation, have sex with the wife and whatever else. I'm not sure what Ivan Lendl could have done today. Nothing, I guess.

Deleted member 77403 · Jul 10, 2015

D.Nalby12 said:
There must be some back related issue. Just take a look at his performance in this season:

1 GS Final.
2 GS Semifinals.
1 Masters title.
1 Masters Final.
1 Masters SF.
1 500 title.
1 250 title.
Career best 46-7 record at this point of the season.

Yes, there must be back related issue. He was winning 3 GS titles per season before "a very major" back surgery and now he is clearly dried up. Without surgery, he was obviously going to eclipse Federer's all records. Just feel sad for him. Surgery destroyed his career.

He won his first clay title this year also...in fact had his best clay season ever, including beating Nadal at home in a Masters final. That was a perfect clay court match from him.

Djokovic2011 · Jul 10, 2015

Davis Cup is the answer. Seriously though, Murray will be just fine. I expect impressive results from him in the second half of the season and I'll still be surprised if he doesn't finish the year at #2.

Carsomyr · Jul 10, 2015

Where does he go from here? Which is the way that's clear? He's still looking for that new, mean, second serve-y thing.

The_18th_Slam · Jul 10, 2015

It's been almost 2 years now, and he's playing great Tennis. He didn't lose today because of his surgery.

D.Nalby12 · Jul 10, 2015

Hitman said:
He won his first clay title this year also...in fact had his best clay season ever, including beating Nadal at home in a Masters final. That was a perfect clay court match from him.

Don't mind that. It was just answer to blatant TVB level excuse making, nothing more.

cc0509 · Jul 10, 2015

Murray will be just fine. He came up against the grass court GOAT today who was on fire and who has owned Murray at the slams his entire career. Murray is still #2 in the rankings race. It could be much worse.

andrewski · Jul 10, 2015

Mainad said:
I have to face facts: Murray has not beaten either Djokovic or Federer for 2 years now! They are the current world # 1 and # 2 players.

The back surgery has proved to be the great divide in Murray's career. Prior to that, he had won his last matches against Federer (2013 AO) and Djokovic (2013 W0). Since the surgery (Sept 2013) he has gone 0-8 v Djokovic and 0-4 v Federer.

Where does he go from here? Has he just declined or have they got better? Will he ever get back to his pre-surgery level and start winning some matches against them again or has he simply become their gatekeeper?

Thoughts? (No troll haters please)

I think he should have a different coach for a start. Check my comments re Mauresmo in the past (so I am not jumping on the bandwagon because of the today's loss) but why total head-case in her own career who lost numerous matches she should have won is the right coach for Andy?

Come on loosing 6:0, 6:1 at WTF last year was the pits. Why was she still a coach after that?

Completely unknown coaches (ok Brad was known) achieved more or the same than Mauresmo before Lendl arrived.

Which raises obvious question: what did Lendl do which others could not? I think it was a mental toughness which came with Lendl overcoming losses in many finals before becoming a multiple winner.

Lets look at today's match. If you believe people like Roddick and Henman and usual BBC crowd Andy was playing well but was outplayed by Roger playing best ever etc.

Ok, Roger was serving well and Andy usual 2nd serve problem came to the fore in critical moments, but where was the game plan?

Andy looked like playing his old passive game playing slow, looping shots with no depth straight into Federer's hitting zone especially on the forehand.

BBC commentators all swoon over Roger's great play, but how often this was the result of Andy putting his shots not even pass the service line?

Against the Roger it is suicidal tactic. For whatever reason Andy looked very sluggish around the baseline, not getting into position to execute even basic (for his level) shots.

What happened to Andy cross court backhand? It has no penetration nowadays, i.e. it has neither angle nor pace to elicit weak reply.

It my well be that Andy just can not improve any more for whatever reason. Novak serve was a total joke 5-6 years ago, but look at it now. For whatever reason Andy like Gasquet, Sharapova and Venus Williams can not fix it.

I am as disappointed as you are. I thought that this year Wimby title will be decided between Novak and Andy with Roger (my favourite player) being too old to win GS anymore.

spinovic · Jul 10, 2015

Hitman said:
Disagree with you, the strongest part of the season started in Queens. He was just outplayed today by probably the greatest grass court player of all time, no shame in that.

This. Fed played lights out...maybe the best match he's played since snapping Djokovic's win streak in 2011.

I think Murray has been great this year, and I think he lost to the only man who could have beaten him at this Wimbledon. Murray will not get the credit for how good he played in this loss - it was straight sets, so TT will declare it a massacre, but this match was tight. Considering how well Federer played, it's a testament to Murray's level that this match was highly competitive.

The match itself played out almost exactly how I expected in that I thought it would be extremely tight and would be decided by a few crucial moments. I'm not that surprised it ended in 3 sets because it's grass and sometimes that's how it goes on grass. I thought Murray would win. I didn't expect Fed to be that dominant with his serve.

I'd love to know the rationale behind Murray's decision to let Fed serve first. Maybe he'd have looked like a genius had he converted that lone BP, but as it was, that decision forced him to play from behind the entire match. And, FWIW, I questioned it as soon as it happened.

And, a couple of points I made in other threads the last day or two - 1) I said if Murray didn't play aggressive, he would lose. There were stretches in the match, when he was at his best, where he was stepping in and hitting aggressive. But, I also thought he lapsed into being a little too passive at times and really just allowed Federer to dictate comfortably. Granted, Fed was so good at times there was nothing to be done, but Murray had some opportunities to step up the pressure that he didn't take. He let Fed chip/float too many returns back. He needed to throw in a few approaches, IMO, if for no other reason than to make Federer think about that possibility. 2) His second serve. In a thread about his second serve I said that it's not good relative to his peers and in matches like this where the margins are razor thin, it can be the difference between winning and losing. His second serve definitely contributed to his loss today. Fed pounced on one to get set up the decisive break in the first set, which set the tone for the match and allowed him to relax and play with a lead the rest of the way, and he is arguably the best ever in that scenario.

In the end though, he just ran into someone who was too good. No shame in that, as you say. Where does he go? I think he goes on to North America where he will redeem himself with a second US Open title.

Mainad · Jul 10, 2015

Nathaniel_Near said:
@Mainad

You sound dejected, but yet I don't see any reason for panic unless there's something I'm missing.

It's just that Murray played really well today and yet still couldn't make any headway at all against Federer. Djokovic has been much the same. I just wonder if he will ever have it in him to beat them again. What does he need to do?

King Fed WW · Jul 10, 2015

If Murray keeps on this track, he can grab a 3rd major for sure.

It won't be easy, I foresee a situation next few years where things are much more wide open. In fact it has already started cough Marin Cilic cough. The likes of Milos Dimi, Rafa, Kei Murray and the rest will all be at war for every slam. and the the form Murray has shown this year means he is atm miles ahead of the rest bar Nole.

Captain obvious, but yeah that 2nd serve is a joke and holding him back.

Hope you, @Mainad, can channel the inner Fed fan in you on Sunday.

Mainad said:
I have to face facts: Murray has not beaten either Djokovic or Federer for 2 years now! They are the current world # 1 and # 2 players.

The back surgery has proved to be the great divide in Murray's career. Prior to that, he had won his last matches against Federer (2013 AO) and Djokovic (2013 W0). Since the surgery (Sept 2013) he has gone 0-8 v Djokovic and 0-4 v Federer.

Maybe the divide is winning Wimbledon. Once you have scaled the mountain etc.

Nathaniel_Near · Jul 10, 2015

Mainad said:
It's just that Murray played really well today and yet still couldn't make any headway at all against Federer. Djokovic has been much the same. I just wonder if he will ever have it in him to beat them again. What does he need to do?

He needs to remodel his tactics on the service game. I guess a lot of this is also still down to his second service.

Observe ---> http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/stats/service-games-won/2015/all/all/

Not good enough on grass against players who you'll get minimal windows of opportunity against on serve no matter how good your return is.

Check the games won on serve % for Federer, Djokovic, then Wawrinka and then Murray. Also note how many players do better than Murray in this area. Nishikori is ahead of Murray, for example.

How he goes about doing this I don't know exactly, but the upcoming passage of tournaments could be good to him.

84% is not good enough. He won't win Slams that way IMO.

Andy Murray has to find better ways to protect the serve.

Mainad · Jul 10, 2015

andrewski said:
I think he should have a different coach for a start. Check my comments re Mauresmo in the past (so I am not jumping on the bandwagon because of the today's loss) but why total head-case in her own career who lost numerous matches she should have won is the right coach for Andy?

Come on loosing 6:0, 6:1 at WTF last year was the pits. Why was she still a coach after that?

Completely unknown coaches (ok Brad was known) achieved more or the same than Mauresmo before Lendl arrived.

Which raises obvious question: what did Lendl do which others could not? I think it was a mental toughness which came with Lendl overcoming losses in many finals before becoming a multiple winner.

Lets look at today's match. If you believe people like Roddick and Henman and usual BBC crowd Andy was playing well but was outplayed by Roger playing best ever etc.

Ok, Roger was serving well and Andy usual 2nd serve problem came to the fore in critical moments, but where was the game plan?

Andy looked like playing his old passive game playing slow, looping shots with no depth straight into Federer's hitting zone especially on the forehand.

BBC commentators all swoon over Roger's great play, but how often this was the result of Andy putting his shots not even pass the service line?

Against the Roger it is suicidal tactic. For whatever reason Andy looked very sluggish around the baseline, not getting into position to execute even basic (for his level) shots.

What happened to Andy cross court backhand? It has no penetration nowadays, i.e. it has neither angle nor pace to elicit weak reply.

It my well be that Andy just can not improve any more for whatever reason. Novak serve was a total joke 5-6 years ago, but look at it now. For whatever reason Andy like Gasquet, Sharapova and Venus Williams can not fix it.

I am as disappointed as you are. I thought that this year Wimby title will be decided between Novak and Andy with Roger (my favourite player) being too old to win GS anymore.

So in essence, you are saying that he has declined more than Federer has improved? Much as it pains me to say, I think I might agree with you!

mattosgrant · Jul 10, 2015

Mainad said:
It's just that Murray played really well today and yet still couldn't make any headway at all against Federer. Djokovic has been much the same. I just wonder if he will ever have it in him to beat them again. What does he need to do?

Federer was in semi god mode today. When Roger plays that well on grass, he will never lose, even at 34. It is similar to Nadal on clay. When Nadal on clay hits his top form he will never lose to anyone ever, not even Roger or Novak.

Murray is going in the right direction but he needs to be more agressive at opportune times and get the confidence of a few big wins. Some would say Nadal on clay is a big win, but Nadal has been so abysmal this year on all surfaces, even clay, it probably didnt feel that way although Murray winning any Masters on clay and nearly beating Novak at the French should be a confidence boost.

He needs to capatilize on a day Novak and Roger play not so great. Not neccessarily bad but not totally in the zone. Murray had that opportunity vs Novak in Australia and totally botched it. He needs to take those, get the confidence of the win, and run from there.

Murray isnt in bad shape. Think of how fans of Nadal must feel now. Murray is in way better shape comparatively and it isnt even close. Nadal even did worse than Murray on CLAY this year. He will be out of the top 10. Who is in worse shape.

smoledman · Jul 10, 2015

He could always go back to selling haggis from a stand.

Levi_Ackerman · Jul 10, 2015

Mainad said:
I have to face facts: Murray has not beaten either Djokovic or Federer for 2 years now! They are the current world # 1 and # 2 players.

The back surgery has proved to be the great divide in Murray's career. Prior to that, he had won his last matches against Federer (2013 AO) and Djokovic (2013 W0). Since the surgery (Sept 2013) he has gone 0-8 v Djokovic and 0-4 v Federer.

Where does he go from here? Has he just declined or have they got better? Will he ever get back to his pre-surgery level and start winning some matches against them again or has he simply become their gatekeeper?

Thoughts? (No troll haters please)

Will you calm down? Murray s playing great tennis. He simply came up against a red-hot Federer. Come on, both players were serving at 75%+. Take it from a Rafa-fan, you've got nothing to worry about as regards Murray. He's having a fantastic season. He won a clay 1000 ffs. Relax, guy. Have a coke or something.

Mainad · Jul 10, 2015

Nathaniel_Near said:
He needs to remodel his tactics on the service game. I guess a lot of this is also still down to his second service.

Observe ---> http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/stats/service-games-won/2015/all/all/

Not good enough on grass against players who you'll get minimal windows of opportunity against on serve no matter how good your return is.

Check the games won on serve % for Federer, Djokovic, then Wawrinka and then Murray. Also note how many players do better than Murray in this area. Nishikori is ahead of Murray, for example.

How he goes about doing this I don't know exactly, but the upcoming passage of tournaments could be good to him.

84% is not good enough. He won't win Slams that way IMO.

Andy Murray has to find better ways to protect the serve.

Lol...so now you agree with me. He has a problem, hasn't he?

Nathaniel_Near · Jul 10, 2015

Federer was amazing today but it doesn't detract from a more general and important point presented in post #32.

@Mainad

Just because he lost today, doesn't mean Murray is not on a good path - he is. But, it doesn't mean he is not without problem or areas that need improvement and readdressing. Protecting his service is the next big priority for him IMO regarding the tactics of the game. If he can solve that problem and protect his serve better then he can win Slams. This is especially important these days given the players at the top are becoming increasingly harder to break themselves - look at Federer's success rate and Djokovic's clear improvement in the area. That's the port of call.

smoledman · Jul 10, 2015

If Murray is losing in straight sets to the undefeated Grasscourterer that MUST mean that there is a CRISIS and something must be DONE NOW!

Levi_Ackerman · Jul 10, 2015

Nathaniel_Near said:
Federer was amazing today but it doesn't detract from a more general and important point presented in post #32.

@Mainad

Just because he lost today, doesn't mean Murray is not on a good path - he is. But, it doesn't mean he is not without problem or areas that need improvement and readdressing. Protecting his service is the next big priority for him IMO regarding the tactics of the game. If he can solve that problem and protect his serve better then he can win Slams. This is especially important these days given the players at the top are becoming increasingly harder to break themselves - look at Federer's success rate and Djokovic's clear improvement in the area. That's the port of call.

Endorsing your own post. Talk about self-fellatio.

Mainad · Jul 10, 2015

Levi_Ackerman said:
Will you calm down? Murray s playing great tennis. He simply came up against a red-hot Federer. Come on, both players were serving at 75%+. Take it from a Rafa-fan, you've got nothing to worry about as regards Murray. He's having a fantastic season. He won a clay 1000 ffs. Relax, guy. Have a coke or something.

I am calm. I'm just asking the question. Sure, he came up against a red-hot Federer but what happens when he comes up against a red-hot Federer again which is all too likely? It can't have escaped your notice that he hasn't beaten either him or Djokovic for 2 whole years now and those stats don't really look like changing anytime soon. What must he do? Is there anything he can do? That's all I'm asking.

Deleted member 733170 · Jul 10, 2015

Sorry to say but maybe the deep and painful truth is that Murray is just not as good as Federer, Djokovic and Nadal and that all things considered he is doing ok?

His on court tantrums appear to be improving with age. It is still very likely that he will at least win one more slam possibly two. Could he ever have expected a better career given the talent he is competing against?

ruerooo · Jul 10, 2015

fps said:
That said, he did actually play very well today!

I thought he was brilliant.

Roger was just better (and wants it more, I think).

Andy has Davis Cup coming up, I think, in the middle before hardcourt season, and he loves to play with his brother -- he interrupted one of his pressers to say "My brother just won", LOL -- so I think that'll help him regroup mentally.

His bad luck to run into Roger in his half.

(Wish he'd had Novak and we could've had that great match in the final, but that's a different discussion.)

smoledman · Jul 10, 2015

Nathaniel_Near said:
Federer was amazing today but it doesn't detract from a more general and important point presented in post #32.

@Mainad

Just because he lost today, doesn't mean Murray is not on a good path - he is. But, it doesn't mean he is not without problem or areas that need improvement and readdressing. Protecting his service is the next big priority for him IMO regarding the tactics of the game. If he can solve that problem and protect his serve better then he can win Slams. This is especially important these days given the players at the top are becoming increasingly harder to break themselves - look at Federer's success rate and Djokovic's clear improvement in the area. That's the port of call.

People forget - he just won his first 2 clay court titles(beating Nadal in Madrid to boot) and won Queens. He's doing fine. There is no "crisis". Federer simply GOAT-ed and that's all there was.

newpball · Jul 10, 2015

Mainad said:
Where does he go from here?

He got destroyed yet again....

Nathaniel_Near · Jul 10, 2015

@smoledman

No crisis, but always areas to improve, and it's a critical one because it's an area that his chief rivals have improved while Murray has stayed stagnant, so the discrepancy in that area has widened.

spinovic · Jul 10, 2015

Mainad said:
It's just that Murray played really well today and yet still couldn't make any headway at all against Federer. Djokovic has been much the same. I just wonder if he will ever have it in him to beat them again. What does he need to do?

The Murray/Djokovic rivalry is clearly defined by the surface they play on. On slow HC or clay, Djokovic wins. Quicker HC or grass and Murray wins. He will beat Djokovic again when they meet on a fast HC later this summer. Probably at the U.S. Open, if not earlier.

Regarding Federer, Wimbledon is probably the worst place for Murray to meet him and he just caught him on a day when Federer was razor sharp. Seriously, when is the last time he looked this good? I think Federer's level is higher right now than it was in 2012 when he won this thing. But, it has to be because his competitors are better than they were in 2012. Both Murray and Djokovic are playing better now than they were 3 years ago. Fed's 2012 level may not be good enough.

Levi_Ackerman · Jul 10, 2015

Mainad said:
I am calm. I'm just asking the question. Sure, he came up against a red-hot Federer but what happens when he comes up against a red-hot Federer again which is all too likely? It can't have escaped your notice that he hasn't beaten either him or Djokovic for 2 whole years now and those stats don't really look like changing anytime soon. What must he do? Is there anything he can do? That's all I'm asking.

They say lightning doesn't strike twice. But whenever it does strike, you're advised to do this:

I'd advise Murray to do the same, if he ever comes up against Federer playing like that again, because, let's face it, no once could have beaten Federer today. No one.

smoledman · Jul 10, 2015

Levi_Ackerman said:
They say lightning doesn't strike twice, but when it does, you're advised to do this:

I'd advise Murray to do the same, if he ever comes up against Federer playing like that again, because, let's face it, no once could have beaten Federer today. No one.

Hide the women & Children when FedGod is in the house!

Tennisanity · Jul 10, 2015

Nothing to be down about for Murray. Murray played amazing today, IMO better than pre-surgery. Heck he almost beat Djoker at FO. Beat Nadal on clay. He would have beaten Djoker today had he played him. He was just unlucky in that Roger played one of the best matches of his career on grass. He even said so in his post-match.

Where does Murray go from here?

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