Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
Oops... Sorry, you said "ruined Nadal's year", not career. My fault.
Could Stanimal beat prime Nadal at the FO?
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Antonio Puente
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Only on this forum would a 3-8 record in slams during that time period be considered damage and wreckage.
Djoker's approaching tier 1 status. You would hope a tier 1 player could find a way to beat Nadal 3 out of 11 times.
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
What's Stan's record against peak Nadal on any surface?The real question is could peak Nadal beat prime Stan at the FO
IamGroot
Banned
What's Stan's record against peak Nadal on any surface?
Nadal's record against peak Stan is 0-2
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
I didn't say "Nadal". I said "peak Nadal".Nadal's record against peak Stan is 0-2
IamGroot
Banned
I didn't say "Nadal". I said "peak Nadal".
I said peak Stan
Nadal never beat him
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
But I said "peak Nadal" first. Nadal may have a 0-2 record against "peak Stan", but what is Stan's record against "peak Nadal"?I said peak Stan
But if you want to go that way, what is Djokovic's record against "peak Stan"? LOL
IamGroot
Banned
Stan started peaking in 2013. Novak has still beaten him more often than not. But the fact that Stan was the only one to take him down at the AO and the only man to stop him this year at slams is enough for me so
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Rusty, he's bored and having a bad day. Don't entertain him.
IamGroot
Banned
Come on man. Don't take it so seriously.
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
It's Djokovic's fault that Stan has peaked. Djokovic isn't a dominant champion like Fed and Nadal were.Stan started peaking in 2013. Novak has still beaten him more often than not. But the fact that Stan was the only one to take him down at the AO and the only man to stop him this year at slams is enough for me so
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
I figured he was joking, and I can joke too, MN.
IamGroot
Banned
It's Djokovic's fault that Stan has peaked. Djokovic isn't a dominant champion like Fed and Nadal were.
Must have missed when Nadal was dominant. Was it as a junior?
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
What is Nadal's H2H against the rest of the " Big 4" in slams?
Also, do you know of any other player that has ended #1 and beaten other player at 2 slams during that other player's supposed "era"?
Also, do you know of any other player that has ended #1 and beaten other player at 2 slams during that other player's supposed "era"?
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
It is (at least) 2-2 since 2013 how convenient you include the Rome match but forget the Shanghai match (very close opening set) and the WTF even closer (Stan really messing up the first set tie break).Stan started peaking in 2013. Novak has still beaten him more often than not. But the fact that Stan was the only one to take him down at the AO and the only man to stop him this year at slams is enough for me so
I didnt bother checking if there was more matches in 2013 but these are the two I remember.
Edit: now that I checked, its 4-2 since 2013 including a quarter final at the french open 6-2 6-3 6-1
I love this forum, you can write whatever suit you best, whether it's correct or not doesn't matter
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Novak beat nadal on clay just like canas humiliated fed and damaged fed's masters title career. Nada had to hang onto the fed beatdowns to be the top 5 warrior. Novak really had no trouble with tearing down fedal despite his bad head to heads because he could win 5-7 masters titles and 2-4 slams within 12 months.
Without the hewitts and Roddicks, Novak will reach 17 slams, 9 year end titles and 45 masters titles.
Without the hewitts and Roddicks, Novak will reach 17 slams, 9 year end titles and 45 masters titles.
Novak And The Net.
Banned
Right. Thank God this is a delusional outlook and will never ever happen. Novak on 17 Slams, LMAO!
IamGroot
Banned
Right. Thank God this is a delusional outlook and will never ever happen. Novak on 17 Slams, LMAO!
Oh no. You are Sarn aren't you? Terrifying poster with the scariest ever hatred of a player all because of your fantasies of Nadal. I've seen you on other forums and you need some help lady.
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
Well, forgive IamGroot. He is a really nice dude outside of this area of the forum. His hatred for "the Dull one" unfortunately makes him say some crazy things sometimes.It is (at least) 2-2 since 2013 how convenient you include the Rome match but forget the Shanghai match (very close opening set) and the WTF even closer (Stan really messing up the first set tie break).
I didnt bother checking if there was more matches in 2013 but these are the two I remember.
Edit: now that I checked, its 4-2 since 2013 including a quarter final at the french open 6-2 6-3 6-1
I love this forum, you can write whatever suit you best, whether it's correct or not doesn't matternext thread: Berdych leads the H2H vs Nadal in grand slams.
BTW, @IamGroot, BladeRunner is one of my all time favorite movies. It's like we were separated at birth, but you went evil with your hatred of Nadal. LOL
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
People give Fed a bad rep because of his supposed "weak era". Djokovic's main opponents are a 34 year old father of 4, and a semi-retired, balding former clay GOAT. Oh, and Dimitrov (sorry 'bout that).
IamGroot
Banned
Well, forgive IamGroot. He is a really nice dude outside of this area of the forum. His hatred for "the Dull one" unfortunately makes him say some crazy things sometimes.
BTW, @IamGroot, BladeRunner is one of my all time favorite movies. It's like we were separated at birth, but you went evil with your hatred of Nadal. LOL
I prefer to think I am Obi Wan and you are anakin joining the dark side and supporting Nadal hehe.
Blade Runner is indeed one of the best films ever.
IamGroot
Banned
People give Fed a bad rep because of his supposed "weak era". Djokovic's main opponents are a 34 year old father of 4, and a semi-retired, balding former clay GOAT. Oh, and Dimitrov (sorry 'bout that).
As opposed to Nadal only beating six top ten players in 2010. That's by far the weakest year in history. Djoker has peak Stan, Murray, Fed playing well. Zero players were in form in 2010 and Nadal couldn't have an all time great year. Melzer and Youzhny as semi finalist will never not be hilarious.
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic could have beaten Nadal in 2010 at the USO. Also, it's not Nadal's fault Fed didn't make the final of Wimbledon either. It seems 2010 was such a strong and competitive year that even top players like Federer and Djokovic couldn't make it to the finals of slams consistently.
When has Djokovic beaten peak Fed? LOL. Peak Fed would school any version of Djokovic on any surface, child.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
Vanio:
Nadal during those years had plenty of matches when he played well below his average level and he still beat many opponents who were absolutely zoning.
@vanioMan @MichaelNadal - obviously Rafa was a beast at his best, no doubt about it. But who, in your opinion, were the many absolutely zoning opponents he beat? Imo, Rafa's best on clay often prevents people from zoning, because they need to go for too much to hit a winner (can't recall Fed finishing a FO final with short of 40-50 UE for example).
I do think Stanimal would stand a decent to good chances vs. some versions of Rafa at the FO. But needless to say, Rafa would probably still beat him in say 7 (and possibly more) of those 9 finals.
Nadal during those years had plenty of matches when he played well below his average level and he still beat many opponents who were absolutely zoning.
@vanioMan @MichaelNadal - obviously Rafa was a beast at his best, no doubt about it. But who, in your opinion, were the many absolutely zoning opponents he beat? Imo, Rafa's best on clay often prevents people from zoning, because they need to go for too much to hit a winner (can't recall Fed finishing a FO final with short of 40-50 UE for example).
I do think Stanimal would stand a decent to good chances vs. some versions of Rafa at the FO. But needless to say, Rafa would probably still beat him in say 7 (and possibly more) of those 9 finals.
Novak And The Net.
Banned
I have no idea who Sarn is. I am neutral, if not a bit on the dislike side of the spectrum when it comes to Rafa. I'm a Sampras/Federer fan. I'm not a woman either.
ImageIsEverything
Rookie
Peak Stan almost got taken out by Jo Willy at the French.
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
If you are a fan you can by definition never be "neutral". Just saying.
Novak And The Net.
Banned
If you are a fan you can by definition never be "neutral". Just saying.
I just meant I don't really like or dislike Rafa. But It's edging slightly towards the dislike. But it's not that big....
That's true. Sadly, fed couldn't benefit from fognini delaying the match time between fed and Novak in 2015. It's a mighty weak era, according to fed freaks.
Murrayjuannow
Banned
Yes he can, as long as Nadal does not cheat by taking too long to serve and being coached on court. Let Carlos Bernardes umpire the match too. Nadal will get plenty of time violation warnings and be awarded many point penalties.
Well, actually Stan does not need all that. Nadal took multiple medical time out and Stan still beat him.
Peak or not Peak that is not the question.
Wawrinka is 1 year older than Nadal and it is impressive that he beats Nadal in their last 2 meetings.
Well, actually Stan does not need all that. Nadal took multiple medical time out and Stan still beat him.
Peak or not Peak that is not the question.
Wawrinka is 1 year older than Nadal and it is impressive that he beats Nadal in their last 2 meetings.
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
I was just saying that, by definition, a fan can never be neutral. I didn't mean you specifically. It's a universal truth.
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
First of all, Nadal was injured.
Also, you can't compare Wawrinka's mileage with Nadal's. Nadal already had 13 slams by the time Wawrinka got his first. This is just basic common sense.
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22 out of your 23 posts so far have been Fed-bashing or Federer era bashing.
Yeah, I checked.
Clown.
vanioMan
Legend
On the top of my head - Coria in 05, PHM and Federer in 06, Hewitt and Davydenko in 07, Djokovic in 2008, Djokovic twice in 2009 and etc.
IamGroot
Banned
Oh right. Sorry, your posts reminded me of this very scary woman who hates Novak and ends every sentence with LMAO.
Also, you are clearly not neutral.
IamGroot
Banned
Djokovic could have beaten Nadal in 2010 at the USO. Also, it's not Nadal's fault Fed didn't make the final of Wimbledon either. It seems 2010 was such a strong and competitive year that even top players like Federer and Djokovic couldn't make it to the finals of slams consistently.
When has Djokovic beaten peak Fed? LOL. Peak Fed would school any version of Djokovic on any surface, child.
2010 was so strong that Djoker had his worst year ever, Fed had injuries and Murray was **** after the AO. Seriously, you know it was a terrible year. Aside fro, Nadal, no one in the top 20 was good enough to string two matches together. It was the definition of vulturing. I like your other posts but not admitting that is just silly. It's a fact.
I am really not a child. I am in my mid 30's haha. I think I will just stick to discussing other things with you
People give too little respect to the dark horse inconsistent players here. All sorts of players can redline and take out even the best of the best, even on their favorite surfaces, even when they're playing well. It's a low percentage chance, but some dark horses have a better shot than others. I think Stanimal is one such player. Even his peak form on clay would still be a dog against Nadal, but I reckon it's more like 70-30 Nadal instead of 99-1 Nadal like some people here seem to think.
Remember that Serena, probably the greatest female tennis player who ever lived, still can get taken out by players like Kvitova and Stosur on big occasions when Serena has been playing well. And aside from her one slam, Stosur's career has been kind of a trainwreck for someone with her talent. But her redlining level was enough to take out the female GOAT (I wince for Graf every time I say that), when she was playing well, and even with her home country advantage.
Remember that Serena, probably the greatest female tennis player who ever lived, still can get taken out by players like Kvitova and Stosur on big occasions when Serena has been playing well. And aside from her one slam, Stosur's career has been kind of a trainwreck for someone with her talent. But her redlining level was enough to take out the female GOAT (I wince for Graf every time I say that), when she was playing well, and even with her home country advantage.
IamGroot
Banned
At the end of the day it's all hypothetical. What's undeniable is that since 2013 Stan has made himself a genuine threat to Djoker, Nadal and Fed when previously they absolutely owned him completely. It shows how much he has improved mentally and he should be praised for that.
Who would have thought my boy would take down Rafa and Nole in slam finals? Everyone had already given Nadal his 14th slam and handed Nole his first FO and Stan said "hold on a minute. Its admirable, especially compared to guys like Ferrer who go into matches like that thinking they will lose.
Who would have thought my boy would take down Rafa and Nole in slam finals? Everyone had already given Nadal his 14th slam and handed Nole his first FO and Stan said "hold on a minute. Its admirable, especially compared to guys like Ferrer who go into matches like that thinking they will lose.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
Cheers,
Coria and Fed, do you mean the respective Rome finals those years? Coria didn't meet Rafa at the FO iirc nor did Davy for that matter (also Rome) and Fed didn't exactly zone in the 06 FO-final imo (aside from the first set), and the twice Djoko in 2009 were (as you're well aware of of course) also not RG.
And with all due respect to Hewitt and PHM (who did play excellent matches in both cases, especially PHM), I don't think their peak clay level is high enough to beat Rafa (unlike Stan's).
So at RG specifically, who are the 'many absolutely zoning opponents' that he did beat? (Djoko 2013 and?)
@MichaelNadal @Mustard anyone else - please chime in.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
Peak Djoko came much closer to be taken out by Jo Willy (down 4 MP's?), the guy can play when he's inspired - he ain't exactly a slouch or a journeyman.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
It's hard for people to zone when they're outclassed. All I know is that no matter how anyone played at the FO, Nadal was 66-1. Kind of didn't matter what they did. Only 1 loss at a slam in a decade is amazing.
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Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
You can claim 2010 had a relatively weak competition, but who did you expect to beat Nadal at the FO/Wimbledon/USO that year? Nadal was a definite favorite for the FO and Wimbledon, and he played an amazing USO tournament, serving better than he ever has. Do you think any version of Djokovic would have beaten Nadal in 2010? Djokovic couldn't even beat him in 2013, and Nadal's level was quite higher in 2010. Get real, dude.2010 was so strong that Djoker had his worst year ever, Fed had injuries and Murray was **** after the AO. Seriously, you know it was a terrible year. Aside fro, Nadal, no one in the top 20 was good enough to string two matches together. It was the definition of vulturing. I like your other posts but not admitting that is just silly. It's a fact.
I am really not a child. I am in my mid 30's haha. I think I will just stick to discussing other things with you
You can't blame Nadal for the rest of the "top" players not being up to par. But if you do, take a look at Djokovic's current competition.
IamGroot
Banned
You can claim 2010 had a relatively weak competition, but who did you expect to beat Nadal at the FO/Wimbledon/USO that year? Nadal was a definite favorite for the FO and Wimbledon, and he played an amazing USO tournament, serving better than he ever has. Do you think any version of Djokovic would have beaten Nadal in 2010? Djokovic couldn't even beat him in 2013, and Nadal's level was quite higher in 2010. Get real, dude.
You can't blame Nadal for the rest of the "top" players not being up to par. But if you do, take a look at Djokovic's current competition.
Zzzzzzz.
0/10 attempt. Nadal got lucky with the competition in 2010 and in 2013, and he still couldn't dominate the way Roger did in 2004-2007 or Novak did in 2011'and now against much better competition. That says a lot.
I'm not gonna respond anymore because I am bored of this but you can say what you want. Calling a spade a lawnmower doesn't stop it being a spade.
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
Yes, basically. Even the best Coria and Federer have ever had to offer on clay wasn't enough to take down Nadal. Federer has never been a slouch on clay. Not by far.It's hard for people to zone when they're outclassed. All I know is that no matter how anyone played at the FO, Nadal was 66-1. Kind of didn't matter what they did. Only 1 loss at a slam in a decade is amazing.
The problem when you are so superior to the rest is that then the "weak era" theory start rearing their heads.
Rusty Shackleford
G.O.A.T.
Give me a break, man. Funny talking about luck. Djokovic was incredibly lucky in 2011. He was hanging from a thread at his USO 2011 SF. So much so that Fed was obviously irked during the press conference. Take that slam away, and you possibly end up with Nadal holding 2 slams that year again. He also had a few close calls that year, but he was lucky again. Take away 2/3 victories and transform them into losses, and his record isn't as "dominant" anymore.
Do you know what's dominant? Your precious boy not winning a single set the first 12 matches he played Nadal. I mean, that's about as pathetic a pigeon as you can find. LOL. 12-0 H2H, not a single set won. I'm glad the pigeon made it out of its coop, but I'm sorry it caused your mouth to become so big. Who were you supporting before 2014, anyway?
See how easy it is to "trash talk"?
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
Agree, hence my initial:It's hard for people to zone when they're outclassed. All I know is that no matter how anyone played at the FO, Nadal was 66-1. Kind of didn't matter what they did. Only 1 loss at a slam in a decade is amazing.
- it was just that Vanioman said the opposite and you applauded, so figured you agreed:
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Just stop while you're ahead man, you're too caught up in Nadal hate and Djokovic love to even be on the same planet as objectivity. In no way is the tour stronger than 2013 right now.
Levi_Ackerman
Legend
I'm getting sick of this forum. The level of fatuosness is getting too much for me. It's always "if this", "if that"; ****ing hypothetical situations. Guess what? That's not the world we live in. Whatever happened, happened.
zagor
Bionic Poster
I'd say this year's pretty comparable to 2013 in terms of strength, don't see what exactly puts one over the other. Novak is better in this year than 2013, Fed was crap that year and Nadal is crap this year (for their respective high standards and there's still USO for Nadal), Murray is more consistent this year but didn't reach the peaks he did in 2013 (before back injury), Stan is playing better than in 2013 etc.
