Today is Novak's 32nd birthday... Lets see where big 3 stands at that age...

beard

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My hope is that thread won't become a weak era war...
I know there were similar threads but anyway let's go...

Federer:
17 slams, 6 WTF, 21 masters, 302 weeks
Nadal:
16 slams, 0 WTF, 32 masters, 175weeks
Djokovic:
15 slams, 5 WTF, 33 masters, 252 weeks

Some thoughts (everyone knows that already but...):
- They are all very close in slam apartment
- Fed had most slams but won "only" 3 more. After turning 32 he hasn't won a slam next 13 slams. Nadal won 1 more of the next 4 slams, not bad at all...
- Novak is behind Fed at 32 yo age by 2 slams, but it's hard to think that he won't win a few in the next 13 slams that Fed missed to win after turning 32 yo.
- Nadal actually caught Fed at the same age. At the same age both had 17 slams, but Nadal "has" advantage of 9 next slam that Fed missed winning before winning the next one (AO17) to take lead in age wise slam race.
- I know that its hard to think Novak or Nadal will win 3 more at the same age Fed did, just comparing the next few years age wise.
- Don't want this to turn to weak age wars again, but we must admit that Novak and Nadal, as it stands of now, will have easier opponents than Fed had unless some new great emerges or few very good one players (hope won't happen :sneaky:).
- My conclusion is that both Nadal and Novak has decent chance to take slam record, we see that they show weaknesses but are too good for the rest of the field right now, and I think for few more years.
- About WTF Novak will probably equal Feds result, even maybe surpass, and Nadal probably won't get that trophy, maybe 1 in best case...
- Masters will be between Novak and Nadal, with Novaks better chance to get the record
- Weeks will be between Novak and Fed, and I think Novak will prevail, Nadal will stay on 175 or get a few weeks more...
 
Rosstour

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They will both pass him IMO

Unless 2019 is The Year when they can no longer keep up with the young guys, they are both a lock to pass 20.

I think passing Fed's weeks at #1 will be harder.
 
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Tennis_Hands

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Rosstour said:
They will both pass him IMO

Unless 2019 is The Year when they can no longer keep up with the young guys, they are both a lock to pass 20.

I think passing Fed's weeks at #1 will be harder.
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It is the other way around: passing Fed's weeks will be much easier than passing Fed's Majors count, and only one of them has the opportunity to do it (pass the Majors count), even in the recent sorry state of the tour.

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Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

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2010
TMF said:
Using weak era argument is pointless. It only support by a very minor people who are fan of old school tennis, nothing else. Logic say every sports gets better over time b/c of the growing population. It doesn’t regress! So stop your nonsense about the weak competition.
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2011
TMF said:
ROFL....the non-ending weak competition excuse. Mindless NadalAgassi never seize to amaze us.
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2012
TMF said:
Of course some folks will use a pathetic weak competition excuse just to suit their argument(eg see DRII previous post).
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2014
TMF said:
The weak era excuse is getting tiresome, because it proves nothing.
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2017
TMF said:
Right. Weak competition argument is pointless use by the VB. Achievements are all that matters.
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And now
TMF said:
Nole at 32 will have a much easier road ahead of him because of the weak era.
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Hmmmmm... :unsure:
 
r2473

r2473

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beard said:
My hope is that thread won't become a weak era war...
I know there were similar threads but anyway let's go...

Federer:
17 slams, 6 WTF, 21 masters, 302 weeks
Nadal:
16 slams, 0 WTF, 32 masters, 175weeks
Djokovic:
15 slams, 5 WTF, 33 masters, 252 weeks
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Federer has 310 weeks at #1. Djokovic could pass that next summer already. Hard to believe.

Assuming he plays 3-5 more years, he'll play in 12-20 more Slams. He needs 5 to tie and 6 to win. There's no doubt he'll keep playing until he breaks the record IMO.
 
DSH

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Yes, winning 3 or 4 more majors at this stage for Nadal is nearly impossible. 1 or even 2 more grand slams they are still within his possibilities.
Even if Djokovic can win those 3 or 4 majors he will be without a chance to reach Federer's record.
I think the Swiss will not win any big tournament anymore but his récord will have to be beaten with a next generation.
 
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DSH said:
Yes, winning 3 or 4 more majors at this stage for Nadal is nearly impossible. 1 or even 2 more grand slams they are still within his possibilities.
Even if Djokovic can win those 3 or 4 majors he will be without a chance to reach Federer's record.
I think the Swiss will not win any big tournament anymore but his récord will have to be beaten with a next generation.
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To make all your predictions come true, the "Next Gen" must start winning Slams next year the latest AND must dominate them from 2021 onwards. That looks next to impossible. Or at least it looks much less reasonable than slogans like: "But Big 3 are soooo old..."; "Never happened in Open Era..." etc. etc.
 
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Stilljonesing

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r2473 said:
Federer has 310 weeks at #1. Djokovic could pass that next summer already. Hard to believe.

Assuming he plays 3-5 more years, he'll play in 12-20 more Slams. He needs 5 to tie and 6 to win. There's no doubt he'll keep playing until he breaks the record IMO.
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I think the 3-5 years is low for Djokovic. Heck I could see Fed still being around in 3 to 5 years at this point even the way he is going and without clear next generation guys to push him out of the way. I think about it like this all three are basically still the same level and are all on the back side of the average peak. They are pretty much declining at a similar rate it seems.

With this Big 3 rivarly arms race I think keeps them all in it to win it assuming health until that is just completely impossible. They all seem to be motivating each other to keep going in a way that kind of like Paterno and Bowden in college football trying to set the all time wins mark and hold the other one off. I don't see any of them going anywhere the next 3 years, and maybe not even the next 5 and I could especially see Djokvic hanging around until he is near 40 to drive the stake in the record. I think that is the safest bet at this point even.
 
uscwang

uscwang

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beard said:
My hope is that thread won't become a weak era war...
I know there were similar threads but anyway let's go...

Federer:
17 slams, 6 WTF, 21 masters, 302 weeks
Nadal:
16 slams, 0 WTF, 32 masters, 175weeks
Djokovic:
15 slams, 5 WTF, 33 masters, 252 weeks

Some thoughts (everyone knows that already but...):
- They are all very close in slam apartment
- Fed had most slams but won "only" 3 more. After turning 32 he hasn't won a slam next 13 slams. Nadal won 1 more of the next 4 slams, not bad at all...
- Novak is behind Fed at 32 yo age by 2 slams, but it's hard to think that he won't win a few in the next 13 slams that Fed missed to win after turning 32 yo.
- Nadal actually caught Fed at the same age. At the same age both had 17 slams, but Nadal "has" advantage of 9 next slam that Fed missed winning before winning the next one (AO17) to take lead in age wise slam race.
- I know that its hard to think Novak or Nadal will win 3 more at the same age Fed did, just comparing the next few years age wise.
- Don't want this to turn to weak age wars again, but we must admit that Novak and Nadal, as it stands of now, will have easier opponents than Fed had unless some new great emerges or few very good one players (hope won't happen :sneaky:).
- My conclusion is that both Nadal and Novak has decent chance to take slam record, we see that they show weaknesses but are too good for the rest of the field right now, and I think for few more years.
- About WTF Novak will probably equal Feds result, even maybe surpass, and Nadal probably won't get that trophy, maybe 1 in best case...
- Masters will be between Novak and Nadal, with Novaks better chance to get the record
- Weeks will be between Novak and Fed, and I think Novak will prevail, Nadal will stay on 175 or get a few weeks more...
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At age 32, Federer had 2 more than Novak, not 3.
 
uscwang

uscwang

Hall of Fame
Happy birthday to Novak.
Great guy, great champion.
Novak has put a brake on minor tournies. I like his chance to take all these records from Federer.
Nadal may have missed his opportunities. But he really has himself to blame, i. e., AO 2017.
 
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r2473

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Stilljonesing said:
I think the 3-5 years is low for Djokovic. Heck I could see Fed still being around in 3 to 5 years at this point even the way he is going and without clear next generation guys to push him out of the way. I think about it like this all three are basically still the same level and are all on the back side of the average peak. They are pretty much declining at a similar rate it seems.

With this Big 3 rivarly arms race I think keeps them all in it to win it assuming health until that is just completely impossible. They all seem to be motivating each other to keep going in a way that kind of like Paterno and Bowden in college football trying to set the all time wins mark and hold the other one off. I don't see any of them going anywhere the next 3 years, and maybe not even the next 5 and I could especially see Djokvic hanging around until he is near 40 to drive the stake in the record. I think that is the safest bet at this point even.
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Physically, I think Djokovic could play until he's 40 and I hope he does.

Mentally...….not sure. If he breaks the slam record, weeks at #1 record, it's hard to say what he'll do then. But he could end up with 25+ slams I think and a ridiculous number of weeks at #1 (possibly another 3-5 years worth).

Of course at the professional level in any sport, the margins are razor thin. One day you're dominating. Then a few months to a year later, you've "lost it". Certainly we've seen it happen to lots of guys. And eventually it happens to everyone.
 
DSH

DSH

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uscwang said:
Happy birthday to Novak.
Great guy, great champion.
Novak has put a brake on minor tournies. I like his chance to take all these records from Federer.
Nadal may have missed his opportunities. But he really has himself to blame, i. e., AO 2017.
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And Wimbledon 2018.
:mad:

 
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Stilljonesing

Rookie
r2473 said:
Physically, I think Djokovic could play until he's 40 and I hope he does.

Mentally...….not sure. If he breaks the slam record, weeks at #1 record, it's hard to say what he'll do then. But he could end up with 25+ slams I think and a ridiculous number of weeks at #1 (possibly another 3-5 years worth).

Of course at the professional level in any sport, the margins are razor thin. One day you're dominating. Then a few months to a year later, you've "lost it". Certainly we've seen it happen to lots of guys. And eventually it happens to everyone.
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I agree with that, but it's usually injuries or they are just plain sick of the grind that makes retirement easy. I think the majority of All Time greats if they were relatively healthy and motivated could have stuck around longer and still been relevant and a dark horse contender. I guess the real line with them is can they stomach being #25+ in the world instead of top #5 kind of thing when they do slip a notch.

Something about the Big 3 right now seem to be motivating each other as much as anything for that All time Slam record. They don't seem to be unmotivated or sick of it and I think that's the ingredient that hasn't existed in the past. That along with the fact they are so rich a guy like Roger can fly his family with him anywhere in the world in first class accomidations, private jets etc. I can see the current state being the exact same in 3 years with the Big 3 still in the top 5 personally. I don't think it's outlandish anymore like I did.
 
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

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AceSalvo said:
oh look.. anti-Fed brigade are not liking it when someone brings up the Weak Era argument after using it all along. Can't take some.
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Having read a lot of stuff here since 2015, "taking some" is actually one of the main things I have had to do. :whistle:

The previous post was there to just expose that guy's obvious agenda and inconsistency. If you didn't jump into a wrong conclusion that this was an angry reaction from a Fed hater, giving a free pass to anything a Fed fan says by using the "they-started-it" excuse, you would have realized that.

This is not a shot at Fed or a post from his hater and weak era advocate to begin with. But no way do I believe that TMF is just imitating and mocking the anti-Fed brigade by complaining about the weak era now himself. He is now genuinely annoyed by Big 3 winning too much recent Slam events. And that is amusing.
 
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timnz

Legend
beard said:
My hope is that thread won't become a weak era war...
I know there were similar threads but anyway let's go...

Federer:
17 slams, 6 WTF, 21 masters, 302 weeks
Nadal:
16 slams, 0 WTF, 32 masters, 175weeks
Djokovic:
15 slams, 5 WTF, 33 masters, 252 weeks

Some thoughts (everyone knows that already but...):
- They are all very close in slam apartment
- Fed had most slams but won "only" 3 more. After turning 32 he hasn't won a slam next 13 slams. Nadal won 1 more of the next 4 slams, not bad at all...
- Novak is behind Fed at 32 yo age by 2 slams, but it's hard to think that he won't win a few in the next 13 slams that Fed missed to win after turning 32 yo.
- Nadal actually caught Fed at the same age. At the same age both had 17 slams, but Nadal "has" advantage of 9 next slam that Fed missed winning before winning the next one (AO17) to take lead in age wise slam race.
- I know that its hard to think Novak or Nadal will win 3 more at the same age Fed did, just comparing the next few years age wise.
- Don't want this to turn to weak age wars again, but we must admit that Novak and Nadal, as it stands of now, will have easier opponents than Fed had unless some new great emerges or few very good one players (hope won't happen :sneaky:).
- My conclusion is that both Nadal and Novak has decent chance to take slam record, we see that they show weaknesses but are too good for the rest of the field right now, and I think for few more years.
- About WTF Novak will probably equal Feds result, even maybe surpass, and Nadal probably won't get that trophy, maybe 1 in best case...
- Masters will be between Novak and Nadal, with Novaks better chance to get the record
- Weeks will be between Novak and Fed, and I think Novak will prevail, Nadal will stay on 175 or get a few weeks more...
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"Nadal will stay on 175 or get a few weeks more" - Nadal is on 196 now.
 
AceSalvo

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Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:
Having read a lot of stuff here since 2015, "taking some" is actually one of the main things I have had to do. :whistle:

The previous post was there to just expose that guy's obvious agenda and inconsistency. If you didn't jump into a wrong conclusion that this was an angry reaction from a Fed hater, giving a free pass to anything a Fed fan says by using the "they-started-it" excuse, you would have realized that.

This is not a shot at Fed or a post from his hater and weak era advocate to begin with. But no way do I believe that TMF is just imitating and mocking the anti-Fed brigade by complaining about the weak era now himself. He is now genuinely annoyed by Big 3 winning too much recent Slam events. And that is amusing.
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I think TMF is imitating. And its going to last a long time.

A whole lot of tennis fans are quite annoyed by recent Slam events like never seen before. 0 young guns for the last 3 years. So even then, TMF is correct.
 
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

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AceSalvo said:
I think TMF is imitating. And its going to last a long time.

A whole lot of tennis fans are quite annoyed by recent Slam events like never seen before. 0 young guns for the last 3 years. So even then, TMF is correct.
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Yeah right... :D

If only he complained about that before Fed lost to Tsitsipas, or at any point during 2017, I would have given him the benefit of the doubt. However all I heard in those periods were crickets. The truth is, he doesn't give a $£^& about young guns. Most of these recently annoyed fans don't either.
 
AceSalvo

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Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:
Yeah right...:D

If only he complained about that before Fed lost to Tsitsipas, or at any point during 2017, I would have given him the benefit of the doubt. However all I heard in those periods were crickets. The truth is, he doesn't give a $£^& about young guns.
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Yeah Right...:-D

Fed is 37. When he loses, it does not matter anymore to whom he loses.

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:
Most of these recently annoyed fans don't either.
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Because we don't follow the anit-Fedheads lead in making silly arguments. Like there are tons of better things to do. But some of us might do it just for "giving it back".
 
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Nadalgaenger

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Rosstour said:
They will both pass him IMO

Unless 2019 is The Year when they can no longer keep up with the young guys, they are both a lock to pass 20.

I think passing Fed's weeks at #1 will be harder.
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It all depends on the #NextGen really. If Zverev fades away like a fragile flower, then I agree.
Guys like Thiem, Zverev, Tsitsipas, FAA may be Fed's greatest allies ultimately.
 
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

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AceSalvo said:
Yeah Right...:-D

Fed is 37. When he loses, it does not matter anymore to whom he loses.

Because we don't follow the anit-Fedheads lead in making silly arguments. Like there are tons of better things to do. But some of us might do it just for "giving it back".
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You either think very highly of the guy if you really saw that as imitating rather than his own inconsistency, or you are having a laugh. Either way, fair enough I guess...

It's not about who beats old Fed, I mentioned Tsitsipas to define the moment when the attitude changed, which was the middle of last AO. The complaints about the lack of young guns when Fed was having his recent fairytale was pretty small compared to now. Now, when both Novak and Rafa are doing pretty good while he isn't as good (and obviously quite old in tennis terms), all of the Big 3 have won too much. If that is not an agenda and fake support for the NextGen, then I don't know what is...

Plenty of dirt on everyone so I don't think any of us should go down the holier than thou and "we just give it back" roads.
 
tennisaddict

tennisaddict

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Nadal_Django said:
But Fed had a much easier time when he was younger, ;)so like everything else in life, things do eventually level at the end ...;)
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When you are younger, it does not matter if the era is weak or not.

It makes so much difference when you are old and in your 30's , you are still able to have an edge over the competition.

Cannot believe this needs spelled out.
 
GabeT

GabeT

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tennisaddict said:
When you are younger, it does not matter if the era is weak or not.

It makes so much difference when you are old and in your 30's , you are still able to have an edge over the competition.

Cannot believe this needs spelled out.
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The level of competition always matters. Always. But there’s no way to measure it. So let’s stick to results, which we can measure
 
TheAssassin

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When you're not in your 30s the weak era doesn't matter.

Unless you are Djokovic. The cutoff for him is 27, or Wimbledon 2014 in tennis calendar terms.

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They are close. Federer got to 15-17 Slams the quickest but then had a near five year drought.

I'd still bet on him holding the record when everything is said and done, but there are small chances for the other two.
 
TripleATeam

TripleATeam

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Rosstour said:
They will both pass him IMO

Unless 2019 is The Year when they can no longer keep up with the young guys, they are both a lock to pass 20.

I think passing Fed's weeks at #1 will be harder.
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I don't think so. Djokovic just needs to remain #1 for another year to pass Fed at #1. He needs 6 more majors to beat his slam count. I don't think there's a way for Djokovic to win 6 slams but not get 60 more weeks at #1.
 
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Tennis_Hands

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Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:
2010

2011

2012

2014

2017


And now

Hmmmmm... :unsure:
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The level of "revelation" in this post is about the same as that provided by those that say that, because Federer went over the time limit several times in his career, he is in the same group of players as Nadal when it comes to respecting the rule.

You may argue on the basis of formality, but you can't argue the differences.

:cool:
 
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GabeT said:
The level of competition always matters. Always. But there’s no way to measure it. So let’s stick to results, which we can measure
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The post i responded to made the presumption that Federer enjoyed a weak era during 2004-07 , hence it is fair and reasonable that Novak and Rafa enjoy weak era from 2014-202x.

Accepting that presumption, the assessment being made is a weak era during when you are at your peak is of little to no use, especially compared to weak era when you are in your 30's.

Also to note is we are comparing a 4 year period with 6+ year span
 
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helterskelter

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I would add years at #1. I know that most on this board value weeks at #1 more highly, and they may have logical reasons for doing so; however, the fact remains that the tennis world as a whole is what counts and the world as a whole values years at #1 at least as highly as weeks and probably more. So, here we go:

Federer: 5
Djokovic: 5
Nadal: 4
 
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