Poly strings save tennis from servebots - Myth or fact?

Are poly strings all that is saving tennis from domination by servebots?

  • No - It's a myth. An ace is an ace regardless of what your racquet is strung with.

  • Yes - It's a fact. Without the magic of poly the big 3 would be Groth, Karlovic and Isner.


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tonylg

Legend
I see it over and over on these pages, "If you ban poly from professional tennis, then all that will be left are servebots".

There are more successful players with huge serves and not much else now than in any other era of tennis. Karlovic is the obvious example and his career began after the introduction of the strings that have removed virtually all variety from tennis.

Sampras, Becker, Edberg were not servebots. They were all court players who had exceptional serves. As "bad" as all the people who were still in school during the 90s think they were, a guy named Agassi won Wimbledon in the 90s, without poly strings. Neither Sampras nor Becker ever made a French Open final. Edberg did once and lost to Chang. Yes, Chang. Is that servebot domination?

It's a bit rough to call Goran nothing but a servebot when he had an infinitely better net game than the current Wimbledon champion. For that matter, even Sam Groth (who was no Pat Cash) had a better net game than Djokovic, but Grothy never made it past the third round. Sam should not be in the hunt on the red dirt, but never past the third round on grass? Is that right?

I contend that poly strings make it impossible for the greatest all court players to be successful playing that style of game, but really not much else.

Disclosure: I play with poly crosses and love them, because they make groundstrokes easier.
 

tonylg

Legend
Without poly the Serve3 would be Federer, Karlovic and Isner. What a tennis artists.

Despite having arguably the greatest serves in history, neither Goran nor Pete made a French Open final. With all surfaces now just as slow, there's no logical basis to your statement. I concede it's an internet fact, but the real evidence doesn't support it.
 

tonylg

Legend
How is this even a question? Look at the 80's where every style could flourish. Sampras got it spot on when he called them a cheat. The public are fooled into being wowed by shots that were much more difficult to pull off, and yet still were, in earlier decades.

The problem is not only that it's considered a legitimate question, but that as per the response below yours, many (maybe most) believe the myth.

The problem with the shots you refer to being so much easier now is that the balance has shifted and made grinding the only viable option on every single court, even Wimbledon.
 

WYK

Hall of Fame
Tennis never needed saving. We've always had slow hard and clay courts. We used to have fast courts. We used to have a very diverse game. Now every player mostly has to play the same game. Better? Seems unlikely.

Kuerten does go on record saying he was amazed poly strings were legal. He should know.

 

tonylg

Legend
This is the myth. Poly actually helps serving more than it helps groundstrokes. Poly makes returning heavy serves more difficult.

I agree that poly makes big serves heavier, due to the extra spin .. but are you saying it's harder for the returner to return a big serve with poly in their racquet? I definitely don't agree with that.
 
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Chadalina

Guest
Slow courts are the difference. Strings help alot but you still have to hit the ball to make the poly work.
 
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Chadalina

Guest
So that's a no vote? Poly isn't saving tennis from servebots?

Nope. The slow courts allow players to connect solid, then the poly becomes a factor. If your streched out on defense, the string doesnt make your racket a magic boomstick.

Poly helps the boring baseline play we see now, not the serve bots.

A good example would be to ask which does it help more. Nadals topspin or Dr ivo's serve? Becomes clear when you do a comparison.
 

tonylg

Legend
Agreed, Dr Ivo's serve would be a weapon with an 80 square inch poly strung wooden racquet. Nadal's forehand would not.
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
This is pretty simple.

Serve numbers have steadily increased into the poly years, also compared to the mythical serve bot years of yore (90s).

Polyester helps tremendously whenever you can get a good cut at the ball. Returning a 130mph serve isn't such a situation, and thus it doesn't help returners much. On the other hand, serving is such a situation, and therefore it's no wonder that the introduction has helped players both win more second serves and increase their % of first serves made (the easier access to spin helps both of these).

So if anything, poly has further ushered serve dominance.
 

WarrenMP

Professional
The sport of tennis had many more changes than the use of poly. Training got better, courts slowed, coaching is better, more money for motivation to win, etc. A lot of changes that caused players to compete better. That is what happened to tennis.
 

tonylg

Legend
The sport of tennis had many more changes than the use of poly. Training got better, courts slowed, coaching is better, more money for motivation to win, etc. A lot of changes that caused players to compete better. That is what happened to tennis.
So do you think that without poly, the top 10 would be all servebots?

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Sunny014

Legend
Slams should be like this

Aus Open - On Wood
French Open - Blue Clay
Wimbledon - 90s Grass
US Open - Carpets
 

Sunny014

Legend
Swiss Open on ice! :love:

Slams should have been like that as I suggested, right from 2001 till now, would have been fun :D

Federer would have still won at least 20 slams but the other 2 dudes would have cried.

We would have had many slam winners in the last 20 years as well...
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
Poly strings enabled the worst of servebots.

Slowing courts saved tennis from tiebreaks all day every day
I think most advanced servers are probably helped by poly as the extra spin and control helps them hit a higher % with more accuracy - they all have the perfect serve technique to generate incredible pace irrespective of the string they use. I think the courts were slowed down to make it more difficult to hold serve and in spite of that, the service game hold % steadily keeps going up. Eliminating poly will likely reduce the serve hold % in my opinion.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
I think most advanced servers are probably helped by poly as the extra spin and control helps them hit a higher % with more accuracy - they all have the perfect serve technique to generate incredible pace irrespective of the string they use. I think the courts were slowed down to make it more difficult to hold serve and in spite of that, the service game hold % steadily keeps going up. Eliminating poly will likely reduce the serve hold % in my opinion.
It's mostly down to 2nd serving, yes. But also poly strings being more suited to the 2nd shot after the serve. There's no advantage to running to the net anymore.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
With poly strings, hitting topspin becomes far easier, meaning that players can control the depth of their shots in the rallies much easier and for longer while also gaining power in many ways. With gut strings, it was far harder to consistently get the depth in the rallies, and this in turn would encourage more net rushing to end points.
 

tonylg

Legend
Slams should be like this

Aus Open - On Wood
French Open - Blue Clay
Wimbledon - 90s Grass
US Open - Carpets

Thanks for bumping the thread. Just before Wimby is a particularly topical time for it.

Can't say I agree with your list as although I'd love it, that is just the reverse imbalance of what we have today.

Wimbledon and French Open are the easy. Wimbledon should be fast and low, rewarding attacking play and net skills. RG should be slow and high, rewarding .. who am I kidding, I don't care who it rewards but it's character should be maintained (unlike what's happened at the AEC).

USO I think is fine on a hard court, even a slowish one as long as the AO is fastish.

The bigger problem is poly.
 
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