2003-2007 Fed vs. 2011-2015 Nadal in Slams

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A companion thread to Lew’s. Interested to see how this one would turn out.

Take a well-playing Fed in 2003-2007 and see how well he does against Nadal in this time frame.

2011 W
2011 USO
2012 AO
2012 RG
2013 RG
2013 USO
2014 RG
2015 RG

Let the rioting ensue.
 
mike danny

mike danny

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Third Serve said:
A companion thread to Lew’s. Interested to see how this one would turn out.

Take a well-playing Fed in 2003-2007 and see how well he does against Nadal in this time frame.

2011 W
2011 USO
2012 AO
2012 RG
2013 RG
2013 USO
2014 RG
2015 RG

Let the rioting ensue.
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Any Federer beats 2011 Wimb Nadal.

Any Federer is favored over 2011 USO Nadal.

2004, 2005 and 2007 Fed would be 50/50 with 2012 AO Nadal. 2006 gets beaten comfortably.

Any Nadal except 2015 beats Fed at RG.

Any Federer is at least 50/50 vs 2013 USO Nadal. 2004 and 2006 might be 60/40 Federer though.
 
MichaelNadal

MichaelNadal

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mike danny said:
Any Federer beats 2011 Wimb Nadal.

Any Federer is favored over 2011 USO Nadal.

2004, 2005 and 2007 Fed would be 50/50 with 2012 AO Nadal. 2006 gets beaten comfortably.

Any Nadal except 2015 beats Fed at RG.

Any Federer is at least 50/50 vs 2013 USO Nadal. 2004 and 2006 might be 60/40 Federer though.
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Lol, it's 2020 man, take the blinders off.
 
Fridge

Fridge

Professional
2011 W Fed
2011 USO Probably Fed
2012 AO Nadal
2012 RG Nadal
2013 RG Nadal
2013 USO Probably Fed
2014 RG Fed
2015 RG Fed

5-3 at best for Roger Which actually says a lot because 14 and 15 were bad years for rafa
 
ForehandCross

ForehandCross

G.O.A.T.
Let's see
2011 WB F Nadal was a very nervous wreck, the guy started moonballing on Grass of all places but Djokovic had shellshocked him in to it.

If the same Nadal somehow turns up against any Federer it's a loss for Rafael. If the one from SF turns up, it still is a loss for Nadal but can be tricky for Federer. Remember even 2006 Nadal made his life difficult.


2011 USO for Rafael is 60-40 against 2005(Weak Backhand) and 2007 with 60-40 for 2004 and 2006 Federer( because of match up.)

2012 AO Rafael beats any Fed except 2005. 2005 Fed is a slight favourite.

2013 USO,more aggressive Nadal is actually something that Federer will like more than the energiser Bunny one. Aggression doesn't work on him unless it's strongman type, Rafael's play might actually make it slightly easier. Kinda like 2011 Djokovic was close to defeat.
2004, 2006,2007 Federer beats him.50-50 with others.


RG? um 2015 definitely goes down to 2005-07

Rest ? Only 2014 Nadal is in slight danger.
2007 Fed might be the best candidate to push it to 5 against 2014.



So life will be difficult for Fed, but not entirely hopeless.


Bottom line:
Match ups hurt.
 
NatF

NatF

Bionic Poster
Sabrina said:
lol why 2015 Nadal? 2010-2014 Nadal should be a better timeline....

Anyways I see Nadal winning all of them except 2011 W, 2015 RG and maybe 2011 USO. So 6.5-2.5 for Rafa...
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Helps that 4/8 are at the FO, immediately stacks the deck against Federer because (excluding 2015) that's basically three wins for Nadal already and Fed ain't going 4-0 in the others lol.

I think Fed at least goes 50/50 off clay and wins FO 2015.
 
ForehandCross

ForehandCross

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An important note:

The "Topspin to the BH" wasn't the ultimate issue, it wasn't as easy it was made out to be. Even in their clay matches Roger made Rafael's life difficult despite that strategy.


It was Nadal's defence and never say die attitude every single point that killed the match up way more than Topspin to BH.
 
Sabrina

Sabrina

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NatF said:
Helps that 4/8 are at the FO, immediately stacks the deck against Federer because (excluding 2015) that's basically three wins for Nadal already and Fed ain't going 4-0 in the others lol.

I think Fed at least goes 50/50 off clay and wins FO 2015.
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I still favor 2013 Nadal USO against any Federer (2017/2019 USO Nadal would lose to him though). About 2012 AO Nadal it could depends on the surface I think. The surface at 2012 edition is too slow so I don't think any version of Fed could hit through him there (2012 AO Federer is quite prime).
 
MichaelNadal

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MeatTornado said:
Most seem pretty obvious to me. It's the 2013 US Open that I can't really decide on.
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Look at that kit.... you know what's happening ;)

rafa2.jpg
 
NatF

NatF

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Sabrina said:
I still favor 2013 Nadal USO against any Federer (2017/2019 USO Nadal would lose to him though). About 2012 AO Nadal it could depends on the surface I think. The surface at 2012 edition is too slow so I don't think any version of Fed could hit through him there (2012 AO Federer is quite prime).
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Don't think 2013 USO'Dal was that good tbh. Think most USO winning versions of Fed take him. If it was 2010 then that would extract the very best from Federer e.g. 2004/2006.

I agree that 2012 Nadal would be tough at the AO, but Fed did have his chances and while still in his prime he was a bit better on at least a few occasions. I give Nadal the edge there over an average peak Fed though.
 
S

StrongRule

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mike danny said:
Any Federer beats 2011 Wimb Nadal.

Any Federer is favored over 2011 USO Nadal.

2004, 2005 and 2007 Fed would be 50/50 with 2012 AO Nadal. 2006 gets beaten comfortably.

Any Nadal except 2015 beats Fed at RG.

Any Federer is at least 50/50 vs 2013 USO Nadal. 2004 and 2006 might be 60/40 Federer though.
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I think 2006-2007 Federer can beat Nadal in RG 2014.
 
Poisoned Slice

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2011 W = Federer
2011 USO = New York would probably not have to help him this time since Rafa is not losing to Roger 100 matches in a row like he was against Djokovic. I still fancy Federer.
2012 AO = Nadal
2012 RG = Nadal
2013 RG = Nadal
2013 USO = Federer
2014 RG = Nadal
2015 RG = Nadal
 
S

StrongRule

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Poisoned Slice said:
2011 W = Federer
2011 USO = New York would probably not have to help him this time since Rafa is not losing to Roger 100 matches in a row like he was against Djokovic. I still fancy Federer.
2012 AO = Nadal
2012 RG = Nadal
2013 RG = Nadal
2013 USO = Federer
2014 RG = Nadal
2015 RG = Nadal
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:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Third Serve

Third Serve

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As for me:

2011 W: 70-30 Fed
2011 USO: 60-40 Fed
2012 AO: 50-50, would give edge to Federer if not for the slow-as-molasses AO court that year
2012 RG: 90-10 Ned
2013 RG: 70-30 Ned
2013 USO: 55-45 Fed
2014 RG: 70-30 Ned
2015 RG: 60-40 Fed

Overall, he does about as well as Djokovic did, maybe a bit worse considering the matchup.
 
Rosstour

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
ForehandCross said:
An important note:

The "Topspin to the BH" wasn't the ultimate issue, it wasn't as easy it was made out to be. Even in their clay matches Roger made Rafael's life difficult despite that strategy.


It was Nadal's defence and never say die attitude every single point that killed the match up way more than Topspin to BH.
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I actually agree with this. Nadal was the first opponent that Federer couldn’t just chip away at and eventually break down.
 
RS

RS

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ForehandCross said:
An important note:

The "Topspin to the BH" wasn't the ultimate issue, it wasn't as easy it was made out to be. Even in their clay matches Roger made Rafael's life difficult despite that strategy.


It was Nadal's defence and never say die attitude every single point that killed the match up way more than Topspin to BH.
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Federer 2nd serve return and his lesser physicality compared to Rafa as well. Always felt Federer could have worked more on endrance even in his prime.
 
metsman

metsman

G.O.A.T.
RS said:
No it is considered that by some based on the matchup.....
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That's what I meant, Rafa is beating Federer peak for peak at AO or USO.

People here don't have a single clue about matchups anyways. 04-07 Fed vs 11-15 Nadal is closer to the post 2017 matchup dynamics than the actual 05-09 dynamics. Already in 11-15 the matchup dynamics were not remotely the same as they were previously.
 
metsman

metsman

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It appears in the last 24 hours or so the great TTW wisdom has determined that Fed peak for peak is at best 5th on HC (novak, ralph, pete, andre above). How long before he slips below Lendl, Connors, and Mac too?

The overnight transformation of Fed from hypothetical peak god to weak era beneficiary longevity stat padder mental weakling is just the peak of hilarity. All because of a match he played when he should have already been institutionalized.
 
AnOctorokForDinner

AnOctorokForDinner

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metsman said:
It appears in the last 24 hours or so the great TTW wisdom has determined that Fed peak for peak is at best 5th on HC (novak, ralph, pete, andre above). How long before he slips below Lendl, Connors, and Mac too?

The overnight transformation of Fed from hypothetical peak god to weak era beneficiary longevity stat padder mental weakling is just the peak of hilarity. All because of a match he played when he should have already been institutionalized.
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You sound annoyed, eh?

Lendl had a massive USO peak btw, he's a legit contender.
 
Pheasant

Pheasant

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I will break this down farther.

2011 W= Federer 2003-2007.
2011 USO= 2004-2006 Federer, but Nadal beats 2003 and 2007 Federer.
2012 AO= 2004-2007 Federer
2012 RG = Nadal sweeps 2003-2007 Federer
2013 RG = Nadal sweeps
2013 USO = Federer from 2004-2006, but Nadal beats 2003 and 2007 Federer
2014 RG = 2006 Federer wins, but Nadal beats all other versions of Federer
2015 RG = 2004-2007 Federer wins, but Nadal beats 2003 Fed

Note: Federer wasn't great at the 2007 USO. He was broken a bunch of times vs Davydenko. He was terrible against Djokovic. And he was just clutch enough to get by Roddick, who wasn't playing that great at all.
 
Third Serve

Third Serve

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Pheasant said:
I will break this down farther.

2011 W= Federer 2003-2007.
2011 USO= 2004-2006 Federer, but Nadal beats 2003 and 2007 Federer.
2012 AO= 2004-2007 Federer
2012 RG = Nadal sweeps 2003-2007 Federer
2013 RG = Nadal sweeps
2013 USO = Federer from 2004-2006, but Nadal beats 2003 and 2007 Federer
2014 RG = 2006 Federer wins, but Nadal beats all other versions of Federer
2015 RG = 2004-2007 Federer wins, but Nadal beats 2003 Fed

Note: Federer wasn't great at the 2007 USO. He was broken a bunch of times vs Davydenko. He was terrible against Djokovic. And he was just clutch enough to get by Roddick, who wasn't playing that great at all.
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Pretty sure 2015 Ned is taking down 2004 Fed at RG. Otherwise, decent list.
 
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