Opponent needs to pick up every ball

TTMR

Hall of Fame
I was playing this guy, who, after every missed first serve into the net, would walk up to the net and pick up the ball. Or if I hit the ball out he'd go to the back fence to get it. Every. Single. Time. And it wasn't like he'd hop to it, he'd saunter over like he was at the county fair. If I was serving and my first serve was out again he'd saunter over slowly and pick it up, throwing me off for my second serve. He'd even ask me if I hit it into my own net or let it hit the back fence, "aren't you gonna get that?"

I remember one time we were in a third set and I was slightly behind, and he was taking an agonizingly long time retrieving the ball, and I said "Okay, get on with it". We continued to play tennis but relations cooled after that. Like, are you here to play tennis or to be a ball boy?

Ever play anyone with this hang-up or a similar one?
 

Uncoil

Semi-Pro
I lost a point once where the ball in play landed on a ball sitting about two feet from the net. Now I pick up every ball if I'm playing a league or tournament match.
 

jered

Rookie
He is allowed to clear or request to be cleared any ball on the court or near the lines. However, I think this means he can't go "clear" a ball against the fence since it's nowhere near the lines.

If he takes too long, it can be considered an unreasonable delay and you should be granted first serve. But... in the absence of officials, he's the one who gets to decide what unreasonably long constitutes.
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
Ridiculous. Ball at the net or back fence pose no danger. Move on with playing. If the guy continued I'd just call hindrance and start taking first serves again. If he complained I'd say his excess is a hindrance. Either cut it out or I get a lot of first serves.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Ridiculous. Ball at the net or back fence pose no danger. Move on with playing. If the guy continued I'd just call hindrance and start taking first serves again. If he complained I'd say his excess is a hindrance. Either cut it out or I get a lot of first serves.

Balls rarely stick to the net or the fence.

In pro matches, all such balls are removed. And many rec players are old. Far greater danger to them.
 
Balls rarely stick to the net or the fence.

In pro matches, all such balls are removed. And many rec players are old. Far greater danger to them.

You really have a hang up with seniors--you have an ongoing obsession with them--WHY?

Not true... and balls within a few inches of net or fence are not a problem--in pro matches there are ball peoples to pick up balls--it's obvious the creepy guy is just trying to get in your head--do not play him again!
 

TTMR

Hall of Fame
Balls rarely stick to the net or the fence.

In pro matches, all such balls are removed. And many rec players are old. Far greater danger to them.
We're not moving at the speed of pro athletes and not that desperate to win points. We have other commitments or court time limitations. Having one loose ball isn't going to kill anyone not otherwise deserving of the Darwin.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
We're not moving at the speed of pro athletes and not that desperate to win points. We have other commitments or court time limitations. Having one loose ball isn't going to kill anyone not otherwise deserving of the Darwin.

All good till you trip on one.

Not worth the hassles.

That is why so many oldies are meticulous about picking up the balls. They are the ones with the most to lose. Watch them and learn.
 
All good till you trip on one.

Not worth the hassles.

That is why so many oldies are meticulous about picking up the balls. They are the ones with the most to lose. Watch them and learn.
I watched some of your video--you played with all kinds of balls rolling around the court, much more then I would tolerate and I'm not fussy about it--why do you advocate one thing and do another?
 

Humbi_HTX

Semi-Pro
I have noticed there are many many many little things that are annoying to tennis players, to the point that they will stop playing and go pick up an argument about why they can't play unless there are "bubble-like conditions" where nothing moves, nothing makes a sound and anything less than pristine conditions can be turned into a distraction. Maybe its because I am a rec player who plays in public courts and parks, or maybe its that I grew up playing soccer where you get used to noise, music, drums, spectators and coaches yelling during the entire match but I really don't care if the other player takes too long or is too quick to get ready for serve, if he re-tosses, if he bounces too much or no bounce at all, if he picks up the ball or if he leaves balls around on his side of the court... anything is valid I guess if you want to complain. I have played with grumpy old guys that will even go out of the courts and yell at kids playing in the park behind the courts to stop screaming and get confrontational with their parents...
 

Cawlin

Semi-Pro
When I see this sort of thing from opponents, I'll tell them to just leave the ball if it's way off the court against the fence. On my "good serving days" it is not at all uncommon for me to encounter opponents who will employ all manner of gamesmanship to try to knock me off my rhythm - including running two courts away to get a rolling missed first serve that went wide. On such occasions I usually ask them to just leave it and get it later, if they persist, I'll ask them for a first serve, if they refuse, I guarantee their next couple serves are going to be "out". I only had to resort to that once in a match a couple years ago... after that the nonsense stopped.

What REALLY cheeses me off though is when I'm serving in dubs and my own partner is doing it all wrong... either chasing every ball, no matter how far away it is, or not chasing any of them and leaving me, as the server to gather every netted first serve.

When my partner is serving in dubs, and they hit their first serve into the net, maybe it bounces and rolls slowly back up the middle of the court, not exactly next to ME, but it will take a bit for it to get to my serving partner... or maybe it's bouncing around short and wide into the service box on the other side of where I am... I make the effort to go and get these balls, unless they bounce so quickly past me that they'll go well off court, or right back to my serving partner long before there would be any sort of delay in them getting their second serve ready. If the serve goes into the net and bounces short in front of me, I either brush it off the court to the side, or hustle and pick it up - no way do I want that ball directly in front of me to be any sort of distraction to a potential poach or net play for me. All in all, my objective is to do what I can (more than "my share" if needed) to allow my serving partner to have a serving experience that is as fluid and uninterrupted as possible.

When I am serving, I do expect this from my partner. When I play mens I find about half of my partners "get it" and about 10% or fewer of my mixed partners... the only one I know that does "get it" is my wife, becuase I've told her about what I do and what my expectations are. Once in a great while, a mixed partner will go chasing a ball I've served that hits the net and goes wide into the neighboring court or way off court, and whenever I mention that they don't need to chase that one, they're holding me up, they then stop touching any netted first serves even if the ball is rolling right in front of them.

I don't know why this whole thing is so difficult for people...
 

jhick

Hall of Fame
Might be a form of gamesmanship. Or perhaps he prefers to play at a slow pace and gives him time to think between points. Or maybe he really is OCD. When I play doubles with my younger sister and she's serving she insists I pick up every loose ball at the net. It seems to affect her serve if left there. So I comply, as obviously I don't want her serve to be affected in a negative way.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I watched some of your video--you played with all kinds of balls rolling around the court, much more then I would tolerate and I'm not fussy about it--why do you advocate one thing and do another?

Consistency is a quality of fools.

You don't need to practice what you preach. What you preach is what you would like ideally to be the case for yourself and others. What you do need not match it.

Actually, quite a few times I have been told by a partner to beware of a ball and it would be very close to my feet. Yet I haven't internalized this and do not scan every time for such balls. But by insisting upon it in my posts, I am setting up a feedback cycle to train myself.
 
Consistency is a quality of fools.

You don't need to practice what you preach. What you preach is what you would like ideally to be the case for yourself and others. What you do need not match it.

Actually, quite a few times I have been told by a partner to beware of a ball and it would be very close to my feet. Yet I haven't internalized this and do not scan every time for such balls. But by insisting upon it in my posts, I am setting up a feedback cycle to train myself.
U've got too much time on ur hands. I hope TW is paying u or get a hobby.
 

DavidEDH

New User
When I see this sort of thing from opponents, I'll tell them to just leave the ball if it's way off the court against the fence. On my "good serving days" it is not at all uncommon for me to encounter opponents who will employ all manner of gamesmanship to try to knock me off my rhythm - including running two courts away to get a rolling missed first serve that went wide. On such occasions I usually ask them to just leave it and get it later, if they persist, I'll ask them for a first serve, if they refuse, I guarantee their next couple serves are going to be "out". I only had to resort to that once in a match a couple years ago... after that the nonsense stopped.

What REALLY cheeses me off though is when I'm serving in dubs and my own partner is doing it all wrong... either chasing every ball, no matter how far away it is, or not chasing any of them and leaving me, as the server to gather every netted first serve.

When my partner is serving in dubs, and they hit their first serve into the net, maybe it bounces and rolls slowly back up the middle of the court, not exactly next to ME, but it will take a bit for it to get to my serving partner... or maybe it's bouncing around short and wide into the service box on the other side of where I am... I make the effort to go and get these balls, unless they bounce so quickly past me that they'll go well off court, or right back to my serving partner long before there would be any sort of delay in them getting their second serve ready. If the serve goes into the net and bounces short in front of me, I either brush it off the court to the side, or hustle and pick it up - no way do I want that ball directly in front of me to be any sort of distraction to a potential poach or net play for me. All in all, my objective is to do what I can (more than "my share" if needed) to allow my serving partner to have a serving experience that is as fluid and uninterrupted as possible.

When I am serving, I do expect this from my partner. When I play mens I find about half of my partners "get it" and about 10% or fewer of my mixed partners... the only one I know that does "get it" is my wife, becuase I've told her about what I do and what my expectations are. Once in a great while, a mixed partner will go chasing a ball I've served that hits the net and goes wide into the neighboring court or way off court, and whenever I mention that they don't need to chase that one, they're holding me up, they then stop touching any netted first serves even if the ball is rolling right in front of them.

I don't know why this whole thing is so difficult for people...

So you would cheat if someone does not do what you want - you would be on my "no-hit" list - life is to short to play with cheaters on the court
 
So you would cheat if someone does not do what you want - you would be on my "no-hit" list - life is to short to play with cheaters on the court
I find cheaten'em back works well against cheaters--they figure you're better at it than they are and quit their cheating--you don't go to hell for cheating in tennis.
 

DavidEDH

New User
I find cheaten'em back works well against cheaters--they figure you're better at it than they are and quit their cheating--you don't go to hell for cheating in tennis.

I get that logic - it just does not work for me. I hit with a junior that hooks me on the "big" points - I just laugh and keep playing - makes it more of a challenge. I have gone crazy when "hooked" in a tourney though.
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
I lost a point once where the ball in play landed on a ball sitting about two feet from the net. Now I pick up every ball if I'm playing a league or tournament match.

"It's league game, Smokey!"

:laughing:

Seriously though, I could see doing it during league matches that count for something, but even then if the balls are way out of play like in the corners or on the back fence, then that's really riduclous to make a special point to pick them up before each point starts. Only balls in the court and more than a couple feet from the net would I make a special point to pick up before the next point begins.

But for just a friendly hit or practice, then yeah I'd agree with @TTMR that I'd be pretty annoyed playing someone like his partner.
 

Crazy Finn

Hall of Fame
If it's that easy to get under your skin, I'd probably do it just for that.

In general, I'm not OCD about it, but I don't like loose balls on the court on my side. Next to the net or back fence, sure. If the opponent picks everything up, it's not going to bother me a bit.
 

stapletonj

Hall of Fame
several years ago my 6' 5 1/2" brother stepped on a ball in a match. tore up his ankle so bad he lost a full year of tennis and it bugs him to this day a little, over 10 years later. So.........

Now, stalling? eh, if it is so bad, dont play with him. Calling him out on this is a bit of a Richard move, even in small tournaments.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
several years ago my 6' 5 1/2" brother stepped on a ball in a match. tore up his ankle so bad he lost a full year of tennis and it bugs him to this day a little, over 10 years later. So.........

Now, stalling? eh, if it is so bad, dont play with him. Calling him out on this is a bit of a Richard move, even in small tournaments.

Finally someone who understands the problems of stray balls.
 

J_R_B

Hall of Fame
several years ago my 6' 5 1/2" brother stepped on a ball in a match. tore up his ankle so bad he lost a full year of tennis and it bugs him to this day a little, over 10 years later. So.........

Now, stalling? eh, if it is so bad, dont play with him. Calling him out on this is a bit of a Richard move, even in small tournaments.
When I was a kid, maybe 8 or 9 or so, my parents and aunt and uncle were playing and I was just there watching (and running around the pond next to the court or whatever kids used to be allowed to do in the 70s). My uncle stepped on a ball and broke his ankle in a most gruesome way, and I saw the whole thing happen. Since then, I am probably more OCD than most people about balls on the court and more forgiving to people who want to take a second to clear balls themselves.
 

Cawlin

Semi-Pro
So you would cheat if someone does not do what you want - you would be on my "no-hit" list - life is to short to play with cheaters on the court
It is cheating to run for balls that could never impact play and delay the server without offering a first serve. Don't worry, you'd be on my "no-hit" list too...
 

TTMR

Hall of Fame
When I was a kid, maybe 8 or 9 or so, my parents and aunt and uncle were playing and I was just there watching (and running around the pond next to the court or whatever kids used to be allowed to do in the 70s). My uncle stepped on a ball and broke his ankle in a most gruesome way, and I saw the whole thing happen. Since then, I am probably more OCD than most people about balls on the court and more forgiving to people who want to take a second to clear balls themselves.

This guy I play picks up balls that are right up against the net or right up against the back fence not just a few feet from them. He needs to have all three balls on every serve and any stray balls on the return. It's excessive: either OCD or gamesmanship.
 

TTMR

Hall of Fame
I think I will do what you all advise and call a hindrance next time I play the guy, demand a first serve each time he does it. I've noticed sometimes you gotta be firm but polite with people or they will walk all over you. Way of the world.
 

Morch Us

Hall of Fame
Just call it a "major offence" and make sure he has to default the match. Then go home as a winner.
(Remember the Djoker incident in USOpen, this is pretty close to it, so definitely major offence.).
I think I will do what you all advise and call a hindrance next time I play the guy, demand a first serve each time he does it. I've noticed sometimes you gotta be firm but polite with people or they will walk all over you. Way of the world.
 

TTMR

Hall of Fame
Just call it a "major offence" and make sure he has to default the match. Then go home as a winner.
(Remember the Djoker incident in USOpen, this is pretty close to it, so definitely major offence.).

No. Extremism isn't the answer. Enforced etiquette is.
 

ptuanminh

Hall of Fame
Dont be stupid. After i saw a friend sidelined for 2 months after stepping on a ball, i pick up every ball around me and on court.
One time a guy told me to pick up the ball faster, i slowed down to slow motion mode.
 

TTMR

Hall of Fame
Dont be stupid. After i saw a friend sidelined for 2 months after stepping on a ball, i pick up every ball around me and on court.
One time a guy told me to pick up the ball faster, i slowed down to slow motion mode.

Then how do you play on a set of courts with more than one court? In my experience, people's balls roll over onto my court all the time.
 
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Deleted member 770618

Guest
Have to agree with OP, that would drive me nuts too.
 

ptuanminh

Hall of Fame
Then how do you play on a set of courts with more than one court? In my experience, people's balls roll over onto my court all the time.
Everybody plays on that kind of court. you clear the ball before play. want to save 20 seconds of your life and risk not playing tennis for 2 months? be my guest.
 
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