Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
If he retires now then Nadal will end greatest of all time of this era. Novak still has plenty to prove and he’s open about that.
Ivansevic says Djokovic is going to be even better and that age is limitless!
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TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
No man. I've been consistent since 2009. Ivanisevic wasn't Novak's coach at that time.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
There is nothing left to prove man. Novak is the GOAT.
Just simply the best tennis player. He wins on all surfaces. In all kinds of conditions. Beats all players whether it's the newest youngsters or Fedal.
With time he has adapted his game and shown more versatility that no other player has shown. Not even Pete, Federer or Nadal. Novak's dedication, work ethic, focus and ambition is unmatched. He is just putting more distance between himself and other tennis greats.
Sampras-Bruguera 1993
Legend
How? Djoker's resume and overrall numbers far surpass Nadal's at the moment
norcal
Legend
The only argument Rafa has as GOAT is the 'general public perception', aka # of slams.
Any non-biased fan who is knowledgeable about tennis can see it's no contest when you look at the entirety of credentials.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Nadal's best level of tennis is better. 11-7 against Djokovic in majors, 10-4 against Federer in majors. Such dominance in the biggest matches for Nadal used to be even greater when he could move with wild abandon.
Is it just me or do the guys in Novak’s team always appear stressed out. Rarely see them relaxed especially Goran.
Silverbullet96
Hall of Fame
Somewhat. You'd think that their player is some struggling journeyman and they're praying for him to win. Sometimes I even get surprised at how anxious Djokovic seems to feel on court even though it's apparent to everyone else that it's a foregone conclusion that he's going to win.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
When you have massive megalomania about what you're "going to achieve" in future, it's bound to stress you out. The Nadal mentality of routines and staying in the present is different.
daggerman
Hall of Fame
He didn't miss more. He faced big servers on a fast surface. Tiebreaks are difficult to avoid under such circumstances.
Novak won 37% of his return points during the ATP Finals. Nobody else in the field won even 30% of theirs.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Nadal has the slam record. I want Novak to be the greatest but if Nadal keeps the slam record then he edges it for me. I have always said the same on that. Both are incredible though and respect both a lot.
Despite the fact Novak has the more rounded resume he doesn’t have the most important record in tennis. Hopefully that changes in future.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Novaks career is incredible but he himself will say he cannot be viewed greatest if he doesn’t hold the slam record or share it. He just needs to equal it though to be ahead.
Outside of slams though yeah he’s the big leader. Novak is still driven for more as you can tell from his latest interview.
Nadal_Django
Legend
It's quite simple really, Djokovic is contender in every tournament he enters, Nadal is contender only in the clay season, it's not megalomania, it's a realistic expectations that he will win something based on his quality and versatility on every surface out there. Nadal otoh doesn't have that luxury, he rarely wins something off clay and he needs a specific conditions (depleted field, kind draw) for that to happen, that's why your fanbase is extra loud only around the Clay season. Simple as that really.
This whole Bullzillion disconnection with the reality is a quite extraordinary, I have to say.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
LOL. I'm not just talking about the present. I'm including years where Nadal was world number 1. Nadal has said himself that if he ever thought "I'm going to win the next tournament", he couldn't function. Djokovic's entourage and fans think entirely differently. They assume he's going to dominate, defy the aging process, rival Spartacus and Jesus, become God's right-hand man, blah, blah, blah.It's quite simple really, Djokovic is contender in every tournament he enters, Nadal is contender only in the clay season, it's not megalomania, it's a realistic expectations that he will win something based on his quality and versatility on every surface out there. Nadal otoh doesn't have that luxury, he rarely wins something off clay and he needs a specific conditions (depleted field, kind draw) for that to happen, that's why your fanbase is extra loud only around the Clay season. Simple as that really.
I'm sure Novak is in the present too...he just doesn't limit himself on what "he can achieve"...but he is focused on 1 hurdle at a time. Next stop AO 2023.
airchallenge2
Hall of Fame
platypus50
Rookie
Goran should just zip it as he's not the sharpest tool in the shed - I still remember how much egg he had on his face after the 2020 French Open final when he declared before that match that the night conditions favoured Djokovic over Nadal, thus Djokovic would be the favourite and Nadal stood no chance.
https://www.ubitennis.net/2020/10/g...ch-open-comment-involving-djokovic-and-nadal/
I'm a Djoker fan and can't stand Nadal at all but we all know how that 2020 French Open final result turned out.
https://www.ubitennis.net/2020/10/g...ch-open-comment-involving-djokovic-and-nadal/
I'm a Djoker fan and can't stand Nadal at all but we all know how that 2020 French Open final result turned out.
Cortana
Legend
Skewed stat. How many years will it take for people to realize that?
Nadal sucks outside of clay. When did he win a set against Djokovic on HC last time? Like a decade ago?
Mustard
Bionic Poster
After the 2014 French Open final, it was 9-3 against Djokovic and 9-2 against Federer in the majors. Nadal has beaten Djokovic in 2 out of 3 US Open finals. Djokovic's head-to-head lead over Nadal exists largely because of 2015-2016 when Djokovic won all 7 matches between them in that period.
Halba
Hall of Fame
Best level of tennis on what surface. Cos he is poorer than both in AO and Wimbledon. Your post is wrong.
What dominance? Did you even watch AO 17 final, AO 19 final, Wimbledon 2019 SF? He got massively beaten in the last two.
Your post reeks of obvious bias . People aren't stupid.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Objective facts, actually, apart from my opinion in the first sentence. What was wrong in my post?
Halba
Hall of Fame
And that facts? How on earth can U prove he has a higher tennis level. ? I'm checking the facts, and he only has a higher level on one slam. Talk about biased claims.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Nadal at the moment is greater for me than Djokovic.
For me, between them now, it is Nadal > Djokovic > Federer
With Federer firmly in third place, it really is a battle between Djokodal now, and as long as Nadal holds even a single slam lead, for me personally, he is the greatest of this era, and if I had to choose, then he is the GOAT as it stands right now. Djokovic has to equal the slam record first.
For me, between them now, it is Nadal > Djokovic > Federer
With Federer firmly in third place, it really is a battle between Djokodal now, and as long as Nadal holds even a single slam lead, for me personally, he is the greatest of this era, and if I had to choose, then he is the GOAT as it stands right now. Djokovic has to equal the slam record first.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Improved what aspect of his game?
Is he a better player than 2011? Or even 2015?
And , as i said, he seems to enjoy the limelight too much, giving all these interviews. I think he forgets, hes a coach now, not the main man.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
His game is more polished now than back then especially 2011 although his baselining is not as good as 2011. Improvements to his net game, slice and serve while maintaining the level in other parts of his game makes him a much more versatile player. In 2011 he was pretty one dimensional compared to now.
joshuayuan
Professional
Er, Nadal got the bigger prizes and higher ranking, and leads slam race.
Djokovic fans...But Tel Aviv and Astana!
Nadal ranked 4th in total prize money this year. Djokovic ranked 1st in total prize money. Iga Swiatek 2nd, Alcaraz 3rd.
ForehandRF
Legend
I bet he wants to have a better record at the USO.For his standards, his record there doesn't look pretty
Humphrey20133
Semi-Pro
This guy is absolutely insufferable. He is a perfect fit for the cesspool that is Novak's "team".
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Ivanisevic is talking good ol fashioned rubbish once more.
Novak's serve has improved so much over the years. His serve now looks very effective and effortless with so much precision and power.
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Julius Caesar
Professional
Is Ivansevic a stand up comedian now?
ollinger
G.O.A.T.
Not the most malevolent comment I've seen, but a rather pointless one
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
But Novak doesn't subscribe to those views and poor Novak is incapable of stopping his BS.
Humphrey20133
Semi-Pro
He could fire him. Novak isn't helpless in this situation at all. It's also a huge coincidence that he always seems to have multiple people around him talking so much crap while he says nothing. Dude believes it, too, I can almost guarantee it.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
If Novak didn't subscribe to his views and didn't like it he would have fired him but some posters think Novak is a poor innocent helpless guy.
Topspin_80
Hall of Fame
Specially Tel Aviv, the fifth Slam!!!Nadal- finishes the year with 2 slams and world no.3.
Djokovic- finishes ranked 5, 1 slam.
Djokovic fans- Nadal fans are so bitter and salty.
Er, Nadal got the bigger prizes and higher ranking, and leads slam race.
Djokovic fans...But Tel Aviv and Astana!
Topspin_80
Hall of Fame
Goran Ivan-is-sick is going bananas over a glorified exho, where Djokovic didn't get to play 3 of the guys who beat him this year,
that is Nadal, Alcaraz, Rune.
Goran, keep'em coming, we celebrate your mental farts!!
Fiero425
Legend
You can say that about the entire family; esp. Daddy-dearest! He's a little more supportive than every day parents! He may have contributed to the deportation of Novak "down under!" They needed the process to proceed unabated, but they were all "talking!" I'm looking forward to Djokovic to competing next season!
djokovic the conqueror
Professional
I agree with Goran. Djokovic has defied Father Time and he’s aged the best out of every tennis player. He’s definitely winning slams in his 40’s. Winning 30 slams is an achievable goal and I can’t wait for Djokovic to be the first to do it.
Fiero425
Legend
Specially Tel Aviv, the fifth Slam!!!
Those events in Tele Aviv & Astana were elevated by Novak's presence and brought others like Alcaraz, Medevdev, Rublev, Cilic, & Tsitsipas! IDK what else you want to be more fair with the criticism? This wound up being a very successful and full season after all's said and done! He ended up with more tournament wins and more $$ playing half the year! He got some much needed rest after his failed attempt at Super Olympic Golden Calendar Yr. Gr. Slam! It was too much! He didn't listen to his father who suggested skipping that long trip to Japan to show off his linguistic skills in Japanese!
mike danny
Bionic Poster
He hasn't defied any father time when he hasn't faced anyone on his level.
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