0-5 In League Play = Depression

ttbrowne

Hall of Fame
Just lost my 5th doubles game in league play last night. It's getting depressing. I've had numerous partners. My partner last night showed up, drank two beers before the match and kept drinking thru the match. Maybe he knew we were losing! He actually said, "Oh, easy win tonight." I told him not to sell this team short. They beat us 7-6 (5) 6-3.
What's the longest losing streak you've ever been on?
 

smoothtennis

Hall of Fame
Just lost my 5th doubles game in league play last night. It's getting depressing. I've had numerous partners. My partner last night showed up, drank two beers before the match and kept drinking thru the match. Maybe he knew we were losing! He actually said, "Oh, easy win tonight." I told him not to sell this team short. They beat us 7-6 (5) 6-3.
What's the longest losing streak you've ever been on?

I think I have played with that guy! LOL!
 

GeoffB

Rookie
I've found team league play to be very, very challenging. Keep in mind that there is a wide range of experience and ability at each ntrp level - i.e., a top 4.0 who is about to get bumped up to 4.5 will most likely beat a 3.5 who just got bumped up to 4.0 by a score of 6-1, 6-1 or worse.

I suspect that team leagues tend to be weighted toward the stronger end of the scale. This shouldn't really be a surprise - keep in mind that anyone can sign up for a tournament of a flex league, but a team has a filter - you have to convince a captain and team mates that you belong at a certain level. There's also a little more incentive to "play down". If you're playing alone, there isn't as much glory, but if you can win one for the team, it's gratifying.

So all in all - I'd say that if you're in the middle of your NTRP slot (ie., a middle 4.0), you'll probably lose a lot more in team league than in other types of competition.

This has definitely been the case for me - I won about 80% of my flex league matches at 4.0, but went 1-5 in team. Much tougher.
 

Nellie

Hall of Fame
I lost so matches one year, I got dropped a level. From what I have seen since, that is really hard to do because even if you are competitive at a level, but lose your matches, you will computer rate at that level.
 
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JavierLW

Hall of Fame
I lost so matches one year, I got dropped a level. From what I have seen since, that is really hard to do because even if you are competitive at a level, but lose your matches, you will computer rated at that level.

Which is the way it should be, it's a skill level, not a win/loss level.

Especially in the OP's situation, he's playing doubles with 5 different partners. There are all sorts of factors that go into that to complicate things (along with the variety of his opponents), a lot of which dont necessarily have anything to do with his ability to play tennis.

Sometimes teams are just good at losing. They will give you a competitive match and you'll have to fight to beat them but somehow they find a way to not pull it out because it's not all that easy to actually win a match sometimes.

Normally when I see teams mixing and matching partners, they lose tons of matches because of that.

When you see entire teams that do really well it means one of three things:

1) Either they have highly skilled competition that are not competitive with the rest of their league

2) They use the same partners on most weeks rather then mix and match, so you see them as a "team" and not just two guys playing tennis together.

3) They have been around for a long time and even though they may mix and match partners they all know each other very well anyway because they've played a lot of tennis together.

Especially at 3.0 and 3.5 where not everyone plays perfect doubles strategy so you have to waste time every week getting to know your partner in the match and try to work with whatever weaknesses or strategy flaws that they might have.

Not the mention the mental aspect of having to deal with a whole other person from week to week. In singles it's hard enough to manage yourself when the match gets tight, but in doubles it's even harder because there is this whole other person on the court that can affect your mood.
 

GeoffB

Rookie
It's confusing

I'ts a little confusing. I got ESR'd down to 3.5 after going 1-5 in 4.0 league.

My match results were:
1-6, 2-6 (def)
1-6, 1-6 (def)
5-7, 3-6 (def)
4-6, 6-4, 6-4 (win)
4-6, 4-6 (def)
5-7. 6-4, 3-6 (def)

All my opponents were computer ranked 4.0s, including my one win. I'm guessing the two bad early losses had a lot to do with it.

Honestly, I'm happy to have the option of playing 3.5 next season if I play singles. I'm 4-1 in my combo 8.5, so doubles I'd probably be ok at 4.0, but I'm not sure I want another beatdown like that in slngles. I had a chance in a couple of matches, but overall, I didn't play all that badly (relative to my ability), I just found that the competition level in singles in league play is pretty high at 4.0.




I lost so matches one year, I got dropped a level. From what I have seen since, that is really hard to do because even if you are competitive at a level, but lose your matches, you will computer rated at that level.
 

jgn1013

Semi-Pro
don't be depress, I have lost all of my doubles matches (12) except 1 (forfeit). I hate playing doubles, for some reason I always get stuck with a partner that is not very good...
 

Cruzer

Professional
My partner last night showed up, drank two beers before the match and kept drinking thru the match.

Two beers before the match and continued drinking during the match and you LOST!? Try to get a sober partner for your next match. ;)

The last beer league I played in was an adult hockey league although we waited until after the game to open the two-four.
 

martini1

Hall of Fame
Tennis is a very mental game. You start to think about too much the confidence somehow will slide. In doubles I guess it is a little bit difficult to control everything. Sometimes I will get into this state of concentration I see nothing but the ball, and I just play it one stroke at a time.
 

cacky

New User
Tennis is definitely a mental game. I play on a men's 4.0 USTA team in Texas and believe I would fare far better in singles than in doubles. As a team, most of us are fairly new to the season and we don't have as much practice partnering up in doubles as some of the other teams, whose doubles teams have had at least a couple years of experience playing together as a team. Some people can handle the stress of this situation better than others, but I personally find it challenging to partner up with someone new for every match, both tactically and mentally.

Overall, it seems to me that winning singles may be considerably easier than winning doubles, assuming you are are a solid 4.0 player individually. The experience and teamwork really shows at this level. Does anyone here agree/disagree?
 

GeoffB

Rookie
Overall, it seems to me that winning singles may be considerably easier than winning doubles, assuming you are are a solid 4.0 player individually. The experience and teamwork really shows at this level. Does anyone here agree/disagree?

Hard to say. At 4.0, teamwork in doubles is definitely starting to make a difference, so if you're pairing with a new partner and facing a well-honed team, that's trouble.

The one factor that can make singles harder in team leagues is the limited number of positions. Most leagues are doubles only (combo, mixed), and even when there is singles, it's only two singles spots vs six for doubles. That may mean more competition at those two spots (ie., singles may go to top players more often, whereas the need to fill six spots in doubles might open up opportunities for players on the margin).

But ultimately, I think it comes down to different skill sets. Long baseline rallies are almost unheard of in doubles, whereas singles players can get away with limited net skills. So it doesn't really work to compare them.
 

10sbune

Rookie
don't be depress, I have lost all of my doubles matches (12) except 1 (forfeit). I hate playing doubles, for some reason I always get stuck with a partner that is not very good...

Just a guess but maybe you are getting stuck with doubles partners that aren't very good because you hate playing doubles....which makes you not in demand as a doubles partner which means you get to play with the players that aren't in demand and sometimes thus not very good.
 

dgrave2

Semi-Pro
Well, for this fall.. I played singles & combo doubles. I kept the same partner for dubs and we went 5-0. However, I went 0-5 in singles league. :( and i dont even like doubles!
 
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