2004 Wimbledon Final Andy Roddick.

[NatF]

In 2004 Roddick beat, Hewitt, Ancic x 2 and Grosjean on grass. All guys who were top 5 easy on grass in that year.

Lew again showing his utter cluelessness.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

You wrote it. The top10 were terrible on grass, so he had an easy way to the final.

Hewitt was great on grass and if they met Roddick would have won. Blame Federer, he took him out in the QF in 4 sets.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

In 2004 Roddick beat, Hewitt, Ancic x 2 and Grosjean on grass. All guys who were top 5 easy on grass in that year.

Lew again showing his utter cluelessness.

They weren't top 10. That means they count less than beating David Ferrer on grass!

That's the logic Lew is coming back with.

He doesn't seem to get that some players excel on a surface but don't do too well elsewhere, thus aren't top 10 but can play top 10 (or better) quality tennis on the surface.

Stats aren't everything.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

-_-

 

[Deleted member 757377]

In 2004 Roddick beat, Hewitt, Ancic x 2 and Grosjean on grass. All guys who were top 5 easy on grass in that year.

Lew again showing his utter cluelessness.

This is like saying Gilles Muller was top5 on grass in 2017.

Yes he was top5 because Djokovic, Nadal, Murray, Del Potro, Wawrinka, Tsonga were playing garbage.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

This is like saying Gilles Muller was top5 on grass in 2017.

Yes he was top5 because Djokovic, Nadal, Murray, Del Potro, Wawrinka, Tsonga were playing garbage.

So now we're comparing Hewitt, Ancic and Grosjean to Gilles Muller LOL. When is it going to end with you man?

You do realize Grosjean got to be ranked as high as 4 in the world before? Ancic got to No. 7? But yeah let's compare them to freaking Muller.

Do you just pick random names out of a hat or something?

 

[KINGROGER]

You wrote it. The top10 were terrible on grass, so he had an easy way to the final.

So did Murray in 2013/2016.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

So now we're comparing Hewitt, Ancic and Grosjean to Gilles Muller LOL. When is it going to end with you man?

You do realize Grosjean got to be ranked as high as 4 in the world before? Ancic got to No. 7? But yeah let's compare them to freaking Muller.

Do you just pick random names out of a hat or something?

Why don't you take the top10 in that exact moment instead?

Oh wait, they were bad on grass, you wrote it.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Why don't you take the top10 in that exact moment instead?

Oh wait, they were bad on grass, you wrote it.

Because top 10 wins do not matter.

 

[NatF]

They weren't top 10. That means they count less than beating David Ferrer on grass!

That's the logic Lew is coming back with.

He doesn't seem to get that some players excel on a surface but don't do too well elsewhere, thus aren't top 10 but can play top 10 (or better) quality tennis on the surface.

Stats aren't everything.

Lew doesn't know **** about tennis. All he cares about is pushing his agenda.

This is like saying Gilles Muller was top5 on grass in 2017.

Yes he was top5 because Djokovic, Nadal, Murray, Del Potro, Wawrinka, Tsonga were playing garbage.

^^ lol case in point.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Lew doesn't know **** about tennis. All he cares about is pushing his agenda.



^^ lol case in point.

You can only insult.

 

[NatF]

You can only insult.

You say that but you always end up running with your tail between your legs when I discuss back Like when you tried to compare playing Federer to playing Isner or Karlovic lol.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

You say that but you always end up running with your tail between your legs when I discuss back Like when you tried to compare playing Federer to playing Isner or Karlovic lol.

No I just leave you the last word to make you happy.

 

[NatF]

No I just leave you the last word to make you happy.

Probably for the best, otherwise you'll come up with more gems comparing Federer to Ferrer or Isner

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Probably for the best, otherwise you'll come up with more gems comparing Federer to Ferrer or Isner

 

[Heuristic]

on clay terrible. Far from a real champion overall.

Not when he had the power forehand. He took Nadal to four sets in 04, a year before Nadal became Roland Garros champion, in a very close match with two tiebreaks.

Moya also struggled on clay to put 04 Roddick away -6-2,7-6, 7-6.

 

[Heuristic]

https://m.rediff.com/sports/report/federer/20040705.htm

Rain break saved me: Federer

"He was hitting off both sides, backhand and forehand, very hard. All I could do was block the ball. I couldn't even slice"

 

[BeatlesFan]

I believe that 2004 Wimbledon Final Andy Roddick could have defeated any version of Wimbledon Nadal (2008 or 2010) if you like and could have easily beat 2012 Murray and take to 5 set and beat 2012 Roger Federer. His serve and forehand was just outstanding. .

Roddick is always dismissed here (by people who never once saw him play) because he's a "weak-era mug servebot." Just more endless inanity. His second serve was bigger than Nole/Fed/Rafa's first serve and his FH was an epic shot before Larry Stefanki came in and destroyed it. Had A-Rod had his 2004 FH in the 2009 Wimbledon final, he would have beaten Fed in four sets probably. Maybe even in straights.

 

[BeatlesFan]

How can Roddick defeat 2008 Nadal when Federer himself couldn't even managed to do so?

Because Roddick wasn't mentally owned by Nadal. He hadn't just been eviscerated in the FO final winning a total of 4 games. Fed's level in the first two sets of the 2008 Wimbledon final was his worst grass form ever in the period 2003-2008 because he has been mentally destroyed by Nadal time and time again. He was tentative, nervous and dripping with anxiety. Once he figured he had lost the match, he relaxed and then started to play better ball.

However, few remember that 2008 Rafa beat Andy in Queen's in straights. I think 2008 Rafa beats 2004 Roddick in four sets, but this hypothetical could go either way. Roddick's serve made Fed's serve look WTA, at least in velocity.

 

[NatF]

Because Roddick wasn't mentally owned by Nadal. He hadn't just been eviscerated in the FO final winning a total of 4 games. Fed's level in the first two sets of the 2008 Wimbledon final was his worst grass form ever in the period 2003-2008 because he has been mentally destroyed by Nadal time and time again. He was tentative, nervous and dripping with anxiety. Once he figured he had lost the match, he relaxed and then started to play better ball.

However, few remember that 2008 Rafa beat Andy in Queen's in straights. I think 2008 Rafa beats 2004 Roddick in four sets, but this hypothetical could go either way. Roddick's serve made Fed's serve look WTA, at least in velocity.

Roddick was nursing a shoulder injury in that Queen's match.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Because Roddick wasn't mentally owned by Nadal. He hadn't just been eviscerated in the FO final winning a total of 4 games. Fed's level in the first two sets of the 2008 Wimbledon final was his worst grass form ever in the period 2003-2008 because he has been mentally destroyed by Nadal time and time again. He was tentative, nervous and dripping with anxiety. Once he figured he had lost the match, he relaxed and then started to play better ball.

However, few remember that 2008 Rafa beat Andy in Queen's in straights. I think 2008 Rafa beats 2004 Roddick in four sets, but this hypothetical could go either way. Roddick's serve made Fed's serve look WTA, at least in velocity.

Few remember Roddick being injured during that time.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Roddick was nursing a shoulder injury in that Queen's match.

What measurable effect did it have on his game?

 

[NatF]

What measurable effect did it have on his game?

Still served a good amount of aces but his game overall lacked bite - definitely much below his 04 level. Nadal played well though tbf.

 

[metsman]

Top 10 wins don't mean crap. It's about level of play.

Let's look at the 2004 Year End top 10 and see if any of them could beat Roddick on the way to the final.
1 - Federer (he did beat him but he was on the other side of the draw).
3 - Hewitt (he beat Hewitt at Queens in straights so nope).
4 - Safin (he was horrible on grass).
5 - Moya (see above).
6 - Henman (I'd back Roddick over Henman due to him having more power).
7 - Coria (not great on grass again).
8 - Agassi (wasn't as good on grass past 2001).
9 - Nalbandian (wasn't that great on grass outside maybe 2002).
10 - Gaudio (not a great grass player AGAIN).

So who out of them would beat him besides Fed who is on the other side of the draw? Not his fault they lost earlier.

Federer, Roddick, Hewitt, Ancic, Grosjean were easily the top grass courters at that time and Roddick beat all of them besides Fed. The top 10 thing is nonsense at a time at which there was still some diversity left in the field and there was a concept of specialists. Yeah we were in the late stages of that and by about 06 it was all gone.

 

[Heuristic]

What measurable effect did it have on his game?

Doesn't matter one way or the other. Roddick revamped his FH technique after the Australian Open 2005 exit, only to return to the old flatter forehand once in blue moon, but never consistently stick to it. It was most likely a combination of playing more procentage tennis, loss of confidence and later. when it was completely buried, age.

 

[RS]

04 Roddick against 18 Anderson could be a cracker of a match.

Lol stop.

 

[Third Serve]

I'm guessing Deleted Member 757377 is the original Lew account, right?

 

[RS]

I'm guessing Deleted Member 757377 is the original Lew account, right?

Yes.

 

[Third Serve]

04 Roddick against 18 Anderson could be a cracker of a match.

jeebus

 

[RS]

I was hoping I left a b1tchy, cynical reply that might even annoy me.

Disappointed.

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The two famous Andy players would beat any Djokovic at peak level.
There you go

 

[King No1e]

When Roddick had a forehand

 

[Red Rick]

When Roddick had a forehand

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

.
The two famous Andy players would beat any Djokovic at peak level.
There you go

"For some reason", Arod won the Maestronians' hearts over and passed their famous eye test.

Meanwhile Novak won five Wimbledons and broke many hearts three times in the process.

 

[RS]

"For some reason", Arod won the Maestronians' hearts over and passed their famous eye test.

Meanwhile Novak won five Wimbledons and broke many hearts three times in the process.

Djokovic loses most hypothetical battles lol. He wins them in real life.
Still a think the 2 Andy players peak higher

 

[DSH]

Fed detractors will never admit how good Roddick was in that particular day.

Yes, he was a worthy opponent back then.

 

[Red Rick]

Even by most Fed fans too. It gets overlooked a lot.

Honestly hate the 2009 final for making people believe that was the best Roddick ever did. The match not going 5 sets and Roddick not being an ATG makes people somehow disregard it as a classic.

 

[Third Serve]

Honestly hate the 2009 final for making people believe that was the best Roddick ever did. The match not going 5 sets and Roddick not being an ATG makes people somehow disregard it as a classic.

Well it was a good match so I’m not complaining but I can see why you would say that. Well, aside from the other possible reasons you might not like it.

 

[Red Rick]

Well it was a good match so I’m not complaining but I can see why you would say that. Well, aside from the other possible reasons you might not like it.

2009 was a 1.33 DR, 2004 only 1.1 or something. 2009 also had a lot more servebotting and both players returning much worse than in 2004.

 

[RS]

2009 was a 1.33 DR, 2004 only 1.1 or something. 2009 also had a lot more servebotting and both players returning much worse than in 2004.

In 2004 Roddick had higher highs in the matches but his technique was better in 09. His backhand was better and he paced himself better.

 

[Jonesy]

The courts being slowed down along the years contributed to Andy changing his forehand too. The same could be said for Federer changing his racket and having a more loopy forehand later in his career. Very hard to compare eras like that.

I still think 2008-2010 Nadal would beat Roddick at WIMB, even with this 2004 level, because just like he did in the Fed matches its Nadal mental tenacity with excelent defense that would break a player that likes short points.

 

[Deleted member 744633]

I was watching yesterday all Wimbledon Fed Finals. My favorites because the level of the match in general was 2004, 2007 and 2012, not specifically in that order. 2009 was also great because of Roddick and how much Roger tough that match up when for the first time he had no idea of how to read Roddick's serve. One question came to my mind. Roddick played like I have never seen him before and I never saw him after at Wimbledon 2004 final. He could have defeated anybody even Roger, that match was like a coin toss that in the end Roger has to use his better Tennis to win.

I believe that 2004 Wimbledon Final Andy Roddick could have defeated any version of Wimbledon Nadal (2008 or 2010) if you like and could have easily beat 2012 Murray and take to 5 set and beat 2012 Roger Federer. His serve and forehand was just outstanding. His forehand would damage Nadal a lot in grass.

 

[Heuristic]

The courts being slowed down along the years contributed to Andy changing his forehand too. The same could be said for Federer changing his racket and having a more loopy forehand later in his career. Very hard to compare eras like that.

I still think 2008-2010 Nadal would beat Roddick at WIMB, even with this 2004 level, because just like he did in the Fed matches its Nadal mental tenacity with excelent defense that would break a player that likes short points.

Nah, Nadal is a pretty weak and passive returner against big servers relative to Roger. It's easy to lock him down with bombs.

 

[Heuristic]

In 2004 Roddick had higher highs in the matches but his technique was better in 09. His backhand was better and he paced himself better.

His BH in the 04 final was just as good

 

[RS]

His BH in the 04 final was just as good

It looked more steady in 2009 and Roddick improvement was being noted constantly. I remember it causing damage in 04 but it was more inconsistent.

 

[ForehandCross]

This I don't understand. These kind of responses are simply devoid of logic.

Was Rosol ever near Rafael's level? No. But on one God choosen day , he played perfect and beyond Nadal.

Were Soderling, Stak, Brown, Seppi, Cilic, Wawarinka ever even close to big 3?
No but on few days they went out and played out of their mind and beyond the big3.


See , Roddick 2004 WB F was one such case. He was simply hitting and serving too big on a surface which is tailor-made for it.
So much so that one of best Grass versions of Federer was getting badly blown off the court before the rain break.

Anyone saying that Roddick won't stand a chance against Nadal or Djokovic is pretty wrong.


If you say Normal Roddick vs Djokodal, it's easy, 10-0 or at worst 9-1, they straight set him even.


But 2004 F, was kind of like 2009 Soderling, just that Federer got the luxury of having a break to regroup.

 

[Spencer Gore]

I was watching yesterday all Wimbledon Fed Finals. My favorites because the level of the match in general was 2004, 2007 and 2012, not specifically in that order. 2009 was also great because of Roddick and how much Roger tough that match up when for the first time he had no idea of how to read Roddick's serve. One question came to my mind. Roddick played like I have never seen him before and I never saw him after at Wimbledon 2004 final. He could have defeated anybody even Roger, that match was like a coin toss that in the end Roger has to use his better Tennis to win.

I believe that 2004 Wimbledon Final Andy Roddick could have defeated any version of Wimbledon Nadal (2008 or 2010) if you like and could have easily beat 2012 Murray and take to 5 set and beat 2012 Roger Federer. His serve and forehand was just outstanding. His forehand would damage Nadal a lot in grass.

The level of the game was several degrees lower than today. Timothy Henman was still handing out whippings to Federer in 2003/4.

That's just the way tennis has developed. Nadal and Djokovic took it to a much higher level. Roddick is probably not even top 10 in 2020 with his 2004 game.

 

[Spencer Gore]

Grass wins over top10s:

federer 19
murray 13
djokovic 12
nadal 9
roddick 2

wimbledon finals:

2011 djokovic-nadal
2012 federer-murray
2013 murray-djokovic
2014 djokovic-federer
2015 djokovic-federer

Roddick would have reached zero of these Wimbledon finals.

Get away from here with your silly facts.

 

[Deleted member 744633]

This I don't understand. These kind of responses are simply devoid of logic.

Was Rosol ever near Rafael's level? No. But on one God choosen day , he played perfect and beyond Nadal.

Were Soderling, Stak, Brown, Seppi, Cilic, Wawarinka ever even close to big 3?
No but on few days they went out and played out of their mind and beyond the big3.


See , Roddick 2004 WB F was one such case. He was simply hitting and serving too big on a surface which is tailor-made for it.
So much so that one of best Grass versions of Federer was getting badly blown off the court before the rain break.

Anyone saying that Roddick won't stand a chance against Nadal or Djokovic is pretty wrong.


If you say Normal Roddick vs Djokodal, it's easy, 10-0 or at worst 9-1, they straight set him even.


But 2004 F, was kind of like 2009 Soderling, just that Federer got the luxury of having a break to regroup.

Brilliant post Machan! Fully agreed

 

[Heuristic]

It looked more steady in 2009 and Roddick improvement was being noted constantly. I remember it causing damage in 04 but it was more inconsistent.

His BH wasn't much improved offensively in 09 either. It was just better in that particular tournament. Just like in the 04 tournament.

 

[RS]

His BH wasn't much improved offensively in 09 either. It was just better in that particular tournament. Just like in the 04 tournament.

Yeah Roddick was not as good for the whole of 2009. But on grass it was. Roddick was still good in 2009 he did well at 2 other slams that year but he was obviously better in 04 overall.