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2nd tier players of fed/nadal generations vs 1st tier players of the 89-99 born generations
(typo in the title)fed's generation: nalbandian, davy, ferrer
nadal's generation: tsonga, berdych, soderling
89-93 born: nishi, raonic, dimi
94-99 born: med, zverev, tpas
not a big difference between these 4 sets.
But thing is the first 2 sets are 2nd tier in their respective generations
the next 2 sets are 1st tier in theirs
which is a massive chasm and shows the weakness of the 89-99 born generations.
((and yes, before someone brings up Thiem, he's in between these 2 generations and not far off either way from Ferrero in fed's gen and Cilic in Nadal's gen. Ferrero/Cilic aren't that high up in the respective generations either))
explanation below ->
fed's gen vs 89-93 born:
1. nalby has AO 03 vs fed, AO 04 run, AO 05 run, AO 06 run
davy has his AO 06 and AO 10 runs where he troubled fed. also AO 07 run to a lesser extent
ferrer was consistent at AO in the 2010s, including 2011 which was his best run - just losing out to Murray in 4 tight sets.
At AO, nishi has couple of good wins - including upsetting/beating tsonga, match vs fed in 17, but always crumbled in the QF
raonic had his 16 run, but got injured. couple of other runs in 15/21 etc.
dimi had good runs in 14 and 17, but nothing more.
not a big difference, but nalby+davy have the better peaks/prime, so small edge to fed's gen at AO
2. fed's gen is way better at RG than 89-93 born. not even close.
3. dimi+rao+nishi > nalby+ferrer+davy at Wim, clearly so.
4. At USO,
nalby was very good in 03 beating fed and pushing Roddick to the brink, davy in 07.davy was also good in 06, nalby in 05, ferrer had good runs in 07/12 etc. clearly goes to fed's gen.
dimi had one good run in 19, Rao had one maybe decent run in 2014 IIRC. Nishi is the only one good there among those 3 with his runs in 14/6/18 (especially 14).
overall at 4 slams combined, fed's gen takes this.
nadal's gen vs 94-99 born:
1. AO: tsonga has his excellent run in 08 and good runs in 10/13.
berdych had his very good runs in 12/14/09 and was consistent.
sod is the only one among the 3 lacking here
med has good runs in 21/22 before collpasing in both the finals - in different ways
zverev - good runs in 20/21
tpas - has beaten BPerer and tiredDal atleast, but not much resistance in his losses in 19/21/22/23.
prime/peak clearly goes to nadal's gen - tsonga/berdych, but sod brings it down. So lets say similar
2. RG:
soderling's RG 09/10 runs blows away anything the 94-99 born gen has done.. even 11 run isn't really worse than the RG runs of Z/Tpas level wise
tsonga's RG 12/15 runs are up there with anything Z/Tpas have done. tsonga lost both in close matches
berdych's RG 10 run was very good. not too much there apart from that. (16 QF run just decent/meh?)
med hasn't done much at RG
zverev has 19/22 runs reaching semi in both
tpas has his 21 final run and 20 semi run
this goes to nadal's gen, clearly so.
3. Wim: clearly goes to sod/tsonga/berdych. not even close. neither Med/Z/Tpas have even got to QF to Wim.
4. USO: soderling has his 09/10 runs where he got beat by fed.
tsonga has QF runs in 11/15 - losing to fed in 3 and cilic in 5 sets respectively.not particularly good
berdych - has his semi run in 12 incl beating fed and QF in 14
med won in USO 21, SF in 20
zverev made final in 20 with a weak draw, did make semi in 21 playing better
tpas has been useless at USO, not even made 4th round
I don't regarding berdych of USO 12 as particularly less than med of USO 21 (or z of USO 21.) difference isn't much.
let say its similar for the gens at the USO.
overall, clearly goes to the nadal gen
fed's gen vs 94-99 gen:
1. AO
nalby has AO 03 vs fed, AO 04 run, AO 05 run, AO 06 run
davy has his AO 06 and AO 10 runs where he troubled fed. also AO 07 run to a lesser extent
ferrer was consistent at AO in the 2010s, including 2011 which was his best run - just losing out to Murray in 4 tight sets
med has good runs in 21/22 before collapsing in both the finals - in different ways
zverev - good runs in 20/21
tpas - has beaten BPerer and tiredDal atleast, but not much resistance in his losses in 19/21/22/23.
higher peaks go to nalby/davy clearly so over med/Z/Tpas. lets say about even.
2. Ferrer played pretty well in his 13/14 runs. 12 before he got whammied by peak nadal.
Davy has his 05/07 runs where he played pretty well. 06 less so, but still decent enough. 09 was good before he got whammied by nemesis sod in peak form.
Nalby has his 04/06 runs where he beat Kuerten/Safin/Davy etc.
med hasn't done much at RG
zverev has 19/22 runs reaching semi in both
tpas has his 21 final run and 20 semi run
this one goes to fed's gen, clearly so.
3. Ferrer had 1 good run at Wim in 12 and decent one in 13
Nalby had good runs in 02/05 at Wim
Davy didn't do much
either Med/Z/Tpas have even got to QF to Wim.
this one goes to fed's gen, clearly so.
4. nalby was very good in 03 beating fed and pushing Roddick to the brink
davy in 07.davy was also good in 06, nalby in 05, ferrer had good runs in 07/12 etc
med won in USO 21, SF in 20
zverev made final in 20 with a weak draw, did make semi in 21 playing better
tpas has been useless at USO, not even made 4th round
med wasn't really better than nalby in USO 03. maybe give him benefit of doubt over davy of USO 07 for actually getting it done, but not much difference.
obviously Z's 21 is little lower.
edge to fed's gen, though not by much.
overall, all 4 slams combined, clearly goes to fed gen
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someone else can bother to fill up the nadal gen vs 89-93 gen ....
Even if you think its similar in these cases, the main point remains.
its 2nd tier players of the fed/nadal generations vs 1st tier players of the 89-93 and 94-99 gens!!!!!
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