3-month update hitting Post-POST modern forehands

[ReopeningWed]

Hi everyone,

I'd posted a video a few months ago in February that had a lot of helpful tips, and some really scathing criticism. It took a while for my ego to heal and pull my head out of my... sandbox, but I'm happy with the progress that I've made over the last three months.

Camera Test:

I'll have a full video coming in the next few days and some point/matchplay for criticism, is this angle okay or should I try to capture the full court? I'd like to be able to see my net clearance and depth but I'm not sure how to implement that.

Special shoutout to @meltphace 6 and tcptennis, I think their comments were especially helpful and stuck with me every time I went to hit afterwards.

 

[BigSkyChamp]

Looks good, but find that you might be trying to brush up on the ball a bit too much, resulting in more of a glancing blow than an actual driving shot. Try to hit through more and think about imparting spin just at/after impact. Maybe the 12 inch rule (via Agassi udemy vids) would help you here by thinking about the 6 inches before and after contact, in which you should be trying to hit through and towards your target.

Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately as this is probably your goal, this post is going to draw a lot of unwanted attention due to your title name - well done.

Speaking of which, can somebody please check-in on PoMo? I'm legitimely worried about his personal safety at this point.

 

[Chadillac]

@10 secs, you know your hitting a man sized forehand when your balls fall out of your shorts

He seems to finish a bit square to the net. My fh misses occur when i bring the hip around too fast (outruns arm). @8 sec you can see him open up a bit early.

At this point your trying to make it better, your very loose and natural. Had a few out balls and the up snap looked great, you have great feel.

Put the camera behind you or in front of you. Smack yourself/or partner for not defending a camera aligned to the hash mark, if it gets hit

 

[ReopeningWed]

@10 secs, you know your hitting a man sized forehand when your balls fall out of your shorts

He seems to open a bit square to the net. My fh misses occur when i bring the hip around too fast (outruns arm). @8 sec you can see him open up a bit early.

At this point your trying to make it better, your very loose and natural. Had a few out balls and the up snap looked great, you have great feel.

Put the camera behind you or in front of you. Smack yourself/or partner for not defending a camera aligned to the hash mark, if it gets hit

Should I keep my shoulders closed longer to keep myself from opening early? Or is there a better way to address that?

 

[Chadillac]

Should I keep my shoulders closed longer to keep myself from opening early? Or is there a better way to address that?

Im thinking there is a correlation between the left shoulder and right hip timing, troubleshooting mine atm.

Do you sling your left side to propel your right? Reach into the court with your left arm (like concicous effort) or just open ?

An easy way to tell if your opening to much is to keep your right foot parallel to the baseline. After you understand the concept, you can slack. Will be better or worse, no gray area in tennis, if its equal keep your current.

 

[ReopeningWed]

Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately as this is probably your goal, this post is going to draw a lot of unwanted attention due to your title name - well done.

It's 100% Mo Po than leading PoMo brands. Mo Po in Yo PoMo.

 

[BigSkyChamp]

Im thinking there is a correlation between the left shoulder and right hip timing, troubleshooting mine atm.

Do you sling your left side to propel your right? Reach into the court with your left arm (like concicous effort) or just open ?

An easy way to tell if your opening to much is to keep your right foot parallel to the baseline. After you understand the concept, you can slack. Will be better or worse, no gray area in tennis, if its equal keep your current.

The kinetic chain starts from the ground up through your body.

Load your weight onto the back (right) foot and coil backwards by turning the hips and shoulders/arms. Once you are ready to unwind, release the right hip towards impact, the shoulders will naturally come around with the hip turn, followed by the arm (creating the lag), and finally the wrist will snap at/after impact. Make sure the right leg follows through as well so you are almost facing the court perpendicular, this also creates a natural recovery step.

That is how you maximize the power source (your body) without disconnecting from it.

 

[Chadillac]

The kinetic chain starts from the ground up.

Load your weight onto the back (right) foot and coil backwards by turning the hips and shoulders/arms. Once you are ready to unwind, release the right hip towards impact, the shoulders will naturally come around with the hip turn, followed by the arm (creating the lag), and finally the wrist will snap at/after impact.

That is how you maximize the power source (your body) without disconnecting from it.

Do you think he is opening his left shoulder early? I notice when i do that, my right hip drags around too far. Just seems his toe is pointed too early in the stroke. 2am though for me

Looks like a forgini fh.

 

[Deleted member 120290]

You look athletic and have plenty of energy. As others said, I think your shoulder is too open, square at the target. Coiling your upper body would give you more, easy power.
Also your swing arc could be larger. It seems your swing is a little cramped. If you look at Agassi FH, he gets a nice full rotation and big enough swing arc, but not overdoing it.
If you take a full arc swing with upper body coil and swinging thru the ball instead of brushing up on it so much, you should be able to hit powerful topspin FH's that penetrates thru the court.

 

[BigSkyChamp]

Do you think he is opening his left shoulder early? I notice when i do that, my right hip drags around too far. Just seems his toe is pointed too early in the stroke. 2am though for me

Looks like a forgini fh.

Hard to tell from the angle and such a small sample size.

Overall the swing itself is fairly mechanically sound, but there are some shots where he opens a bit too early like you said, so the swing has already lost power once impact is reached.

Other times I don't think the legs are used enough, as he doesn't coil off the back foot and drive with the legs enough and instead ends up arming it a bit. On the other hand, a few shots at the end he tries to "hop" when he hits it instead of staying low and driving through, but that could just be a result of not attempting proper technique in order to get the "out" ball back into play.

 

[Mainsacross]

Looks good, but find that you might be trying to brush up on the ball a bit too much, resulting in more of a glancing blow than an actual driving shot. Try to hit through more and think about imparting spin just at/after impact. Maybe the 12 inch rule (via Agassi udemy vids) would help you here by thinking about the 6 inches before and after contact, in which you should be trying to hit through and towards your target.

Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately as this is probably your goal, this post is going to draw a lot of unwanted attention due to your title name - well done.

Speaking of which, can somebody please check-in on PoMo? I'm legitimely worried about his personal safety at this point.

What happened to the thread and OP? I feel like my favorite soap opera was suddenly cancelled!

 

[bigservesofthands]

Looks good, but find that you might be trying to brush up on the ball a bit too much, resulting in more of a glancing blow than an actual driving shot. Try to hit through more and think about imparting spin just at/after impact. Maybe the 12 inch rule (via Agassi udemy vids) would help you here by thinking about the 6 inches before and after contact, in which you should be trying to hit through and towards your target.

Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately as this is probably your goal, this post is going to draw a lot of unwanted attention due to your title name - well done.

Speaking of which, can somebody please check-in on PoMo? I'm legitimely worried about his personal safety at this point.

I am doing just fine. Thanks for the concern. Not sure why my thread got deleted. I have it archived just in case. So people don't get any ideas of misrepresenting me later.

 

[bigservesofthands]

It's 100% Mo Po than leading PoMo brands. Mo Po in Yo PoMo.

You Sir, are just a plain vanilla Mo. No sign of any Po at all. I will start a thread to discuss the nuances of the evolution of strokes in tennis so strokes of pretenders like yours can be properly classified.

 

[chikoo]

Speaking of which, can somebody please check-in on PoMo? I'm legitimely worried about his personal safety at this point.

Why would/should anyone be worried about PoMo?

It is like throwing Nukes on Japan and then bieng worried about the children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 

[Tiaxx]

I am doing just fine. Thanks for the concern. Not sure why my thread got deleted. I have it archived just in case. So people don't get any ideas of misrepresenting me later.

Maybe it was deleted because it was a fairytale?
I mean this is a forum about tennis tips and instruction. Your thread was just you shooting a video with a 30 sec ball feed interval claiming to be the next big thing in tennis. All of this without providing any sort of actual evidence that the FH could work in the real world...
So yeah, maybe that's why it got deleted?

 

[2HBH-DTL]

pretty fluid forehand more the most part. i do agree that there is too much shoulder facing the net. you can still hit open stance but if you rotate your core just a little bit more it will help coil the energy like said above and generate easier power with less effort. that is the goal. generate easy pace without much effort. look at slow mo vids of fed hitting forehands. they're effortless. the ones he hits in practice are higher quality and heavier pace than probably 90% of folks on here who actually try to hit good forehands.

 

[ReopeningWed]

pretty fluid forehand more the most part. i do agree that there is too much shoulder facing the net. you can still hit open stance but if you rotate your core just a little bit more it will help coil the energy like said above and generate easier power with less effort. that is the goal. generate easy pace without much effort. look at slow mo vids of fed hitting forehands. they're effortless. the ones he hits in practice are higher quality and heavier pace than probably 90% of folks on here who actually try to hit good forehands.

Do I want to emphasize closing my hips off more, or just my shoulders, or both?

 

[2HBH-DTL]

your trunk or lower half can still rotate a bit along with your shoulders so you get good coil and still have an open stance at the same time. you just don't want to be 100% facing the net when hitting forehand. you'll be robbing yourself of power there. once you can incorporate a decent shoulder turn/trunk coil, you'll generate easier power with less effort. using more of your body that way instead of just your arm.

 

[Fxanimator1]

Maybe this is what everyone is saying, but your hips and shoulders seem to be firing at the same time as if they're one fused together unit.
Looking good though.

 

[ReopeningWed]

Maybe this is what everyone is saying, but your hips and shoulders seem to be firing at the same time as if they're one fused together unit.
Looking good though.

Is it better for the hips to go first, and the shoulders are after the hips?

 

[BigSkyChamp]

Once you are ready to unwind, release the right hip towards impact, the shoulders will naturally come around with the hip turn, followed by the arm (creating the lag), and finally the wrist will snap at/after impact. Make sure the right leg follows through as well so you are almost facing the court perpendicular, this also creates a natural recovery step.

lol I guess my advice is garbage.

 

[Bender]

lol I guess my advice is garbage.

Not really...when you do what you said at higher intensities, the two won't look perfectly in sync, and that makes sense because your hips and shoulders aren't fused together, meaning that when the hips come around violently, the shoulders are sure to follow with a slight delay. So long as the hips are released first, I think the stroke will look honestly great.

Tl;dr: Hips don't lie

 

[Fxanimator1]

lol I guess my advice is garbage.

If you're referring to my comment, that's why my first sentence was, "Maybe this is what everyone else is saying."

 

[BigSkyChamp]

If you're referring to my comment, that's why my first sentence was, "Maybe this is what everyone else is saying."

No, I meant the OP cuz I already covered his question above. But I guess a consensus is always more reinforcing!

 

[ReopeningWed]

No, I meant the OP cuz I already covered his question above. But I guess a consensus is always more reinforcing!

Sorry that wasn't my intention, I just wanted to make sure I was understanding everyone's contributions correctly. Asking definitely reinforces the idea for me, your advice is excellent and on point.

I think what's difficult about internet tennis advice is that, like coaching, it's hard to communicate exactly how cues and strokes should feel. Describing strokes in terms of physics and kinesiology seems to be the easy way out for a lot of TTW posters, because they get to use a lot of big words and feel knowledgeable, but that doesn't really help anyone unless they understand the feeling of what they have to do in their body.