A.I. and the "4th Industrial Revolution"
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FlamingCheeto
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these have been proven to be CGI, very good CGI
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Heard of Tony Seba?
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
Self-driving cars are now view as their own industry, the self driving car business. It suppose to replace taxis, limos and Uber, etc.. Once thought that average individual will be riding in their own self driving vehicle but it now for the wealthy and big tech. Apple, Google VW, GM, Waymo, Uber, etc.. along with Tesla to add another business service.
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chrischris
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Which?
chrischris
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How do you all recall cell phones from 10 years ago?
What model did you use then?
What model did you use then?
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
Smartphone are design to track your movements all the time and sell the data capture to others so they can market their stuff. I you want privacy, get rid of your smartphone and use an older cell phone that does not have the hardware inside of it to report your location. Better yet, do not carry a phone at all! Use somebody else phone if you can. Go to a restaurant, store, stranger and ask if you can make a call. Friends are not a good idea either.
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Probably. But some of your suggestions are very impractical and could come across as a bit weird/paranoid...
Now, do you recall what phones were like 10 - 15 years ago?
What does that tell you?
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Did you have a look at Tony Sebas record and ideas?
van_Loederen
Professional
mxmx
Hall of Fame
Some places seem to be banning these older phones.
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
That one is 24/7 365 days under observation and that data is being stored and many times sold to anyone who wants to know about you in every possible way. Any social media and web browser surfing is captured and your interest is stored too. You are an open book for anyone that has the money to find out about your habits, likes, purchases, where you like to hang around town, memberships, friends, acquaintances, food purchases, grocery that you buy, etc...
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
mxmx
Hall of Fame
Yeah. My problem is the more sinister reasons of attaining this info which is even worse. Politcal, dictatorship or persecution.
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
AI needs energy to operate just like any and most everything. Wil there be a clean sweep in the next 10 years to reliable modern tech rather than old school like gas and oil etc?
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/are-evs-good-environment-mostly-not
Below are a few comments, or parts of comments, about EVs that have been gathered from different recent articles. I have not fully researched all these but they do add to my doubts about these vehicles.
- The Greenwashing Industrial Complex is one of the evilest and fraudulent scams of the 21st century. As an example, the pollution and environmental destruction created by the manufacturing and disposal of EV batteries, and also the magnets for power-generating windmills, is 10X worse than pollution created by fossil-fuel vehicles.
- In Germany about 40% of the energy mix is produced by coal and 30% by renewables - a mid-sized electric car must be driven for 125,000 km, on average, to break even with a diesel car, and 60,000 km compared to a petrol car. It takes nine years for an electric car to be greener than a diesel car, assuming an annual average mileage of 13,500 km. Most consumers will have bought a new car by then. The case is similar in the U.S. but less pronounced in nuclear-powered France.
- Battery production causes more environmental damage than carbon emissions alone. Consider dust, fumes, wastewater, and other environmental impacts from cobalt mining in the Democratic Republic of the Congo; water shortages and toxic spills from lithium mining in Latin America, which can alter ecosystems and hurt local communities; a heavily polluted river due to nickel mining in Russia; or air pollution in northeastern China, as mentioned above.
- There isn't enough cobalt in the world to replace even half of the current ICE vehicles. Never mind the fact they have kids mining the stuff in the Congo. InsideSources, says, every EV battery contains cobalt, with most of it mined in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). This area has been an ugly mess for years as the Congo government and armed militants duke it out over the control of mines. Much of the DRC cobalt is then hauled to South Africa and shipped to China for processing.
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chrischris
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Harry_Wild
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Mixing AI, reliable “modern?” tech and gas and oil into a question that to vague. What are you try to say/ask?
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Simply look at my question in post #268.
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
AI needs energy to operate just like any and most everything. Wil there be a clean sweep in the next 10 years to reliable modern tech rather than old school like gas and oil etc?
Chris do you have any science/engineering schooling?
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Answer the question.
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
“AI needs energy to operate just like any and most everything. Wil there be a clean sweep in the next 10 years to reliable modern tech rather than old school like gas and oil etc?”
AI is software inside a computer system. Reliable Modern Tech is hardware (+/- software). old school like gas and oil etc is from refining cruel oil. There is no relationship between the first two categories and the last category, energy. That is the breakdown of your two sentences above, Chris.
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Maybe. AI can be part of the solution against unlawful pollution . Maybe.
Now, do you think the next decade will be a decade of rapid change in the energy systems in western civilisation ,or not ?
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
No. Throw back into 3rd world conditions with roving electrical blackouts, gasoline electric generators everywhere. There is no way to store enough power for nighttime conditions and when calm, covercast cnditions. Battery banks would have to be 10 miles square to just meet the L.A. area. The cost would be $40 billion to build and the maintenance cost would be large too.
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
You maybe right. But you are wrong in suggesting its not possible to store energy from clean non fossil energy forms to balance out demand when needs are there. Baseload energy.
Have you heard about any of the multiple ways it can done besides batteries...?
Born_to_slice
Legend
Encouraging thought.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
BITCOIN MINING TAKES MORE ENERGY IN A YEAR THAN A COUNTRY LIKE VENEZUELA OR THE NETHERLANDS USES.
SO AI IS THE LEAST OF OUR NEW TECH HEADACHES. CRYPTOCURRENCIES ARE.
Apart from reliable alternative sources of energy, there are some things that just need to stop!
SO AI IS THE LEAST OF OUR NEW TECH HEADACHES. CRYPTOCURRENCIES ARE.
Apart from reliable alternative sources of energy, there are some things that just need to stop!
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
If the U.S. environmentalists would let new nuclear power plants to be built, all that would be need power the U.S. for the next 50 years if they built 6 new nuclear plants. The last one was built some where in the late 70s, 80s. Advancement in nuclear technology has made tremendous steps forward in efficiency and safety. Wind mills, solar power installation could begin to be dismantled.
onehandbh
G.O.A.T.
Any advancements that have figured out a way to reduce the half life of nuclear waste?
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Nuclear is too expensive.
It also takes very long to build.
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
No, it is the most economical of all energy generation. If it were not for fight the environmentalist roadblocks in court, it would take around 4-10 years to build instead of 30+ years time due to environmentalists court battles that delay the building of nuclear power plants in the U.S. They face MSM and on-site protests during the approval and construction. Only the most wealthy private owned power companies are a position to initiate the construction.
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
No true. The LCOE isnt competitive.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
If in doubt ignore the science and facts, and blame any crisis on the 'insane ideas' of your rivals that were not even a factor.
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Mike Bulgakov
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Why on earth would right-wing people with connections to the fossil fuel industry lie about ‘frozen wind turbines’ in Texas?
Disinformation has been circulating about the cold snap in Texas, fed by Republicans and publication ‘experts’ with convenient connections to gas and oil
Jamie Henn, Duncan Meisel
Texas
1 hour ago
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/texas-frozen-wind-turbines-john-cornyn-b1803193.html
Fox’s ‘Culture War Idiocy’ Over Texas Power Outage
Fox News and other Republicans saw some kind of suffering, some kind of problem somewhere and immediately—without missing a beat—right away tried to turn it into a culture war, in this case against those damn hippie liberals and their clean energy,” the progressive MSNBC host added.
Playing a montage of Fox stars solely blaming the deadly outages on windmills while asserting wind power doesn’t work in subfreezing temperatures, Hayes pointed out how utterly senseless those claims were.
“Imagine how stupid you would have to think your audience is, the contempt you have to hold them in, to look into the camera and try to sell them on the idea that windmills don’t work when it’s cold,” he exclaimed. “After Texas, Iowa is the state with the most wind power in the country. If you’ve ever been to Iowa in the winter, I can tell you from personal experience, it gets pretty cold in Iowa.”
Adding that Denmark, a country with very cold winters, receives half its power from wind, the All In host then quoted the senior director of Texas’ Electric Reliability Council, who said earlier on Tuesday that ice forcing some wind turbines to shut down was the “least significant factor” in the Texas blackouts.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/chris...war-idiocy-over-texas-power-outage?ref=scroll
Texas blackouts fuel false claims about renewable energy
Conservative commentators on Tuesday have falsely claimed that wind turbines and solar energy were primarily to blame for power outages across Texas as the power grid buckled
By ALI SWENSON and ARIJETA LAJKA The Associated Press
February 17, 2021
In reality, failures in natural gas, coal and nuclear energy systems were responsible for nearly twice as many outages as frozen wind turbines and solar panels, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, which operates the state’s power grid, said in a press conference Tuesday.
Still a variety of misleading claims spread on social media around renewable energy, with wind turbines and the Green New Deal getting much of the attention.
A viral photo of a helicopter de-icing a wind turbine was shared with claims it showed a “chemical” solution being applied to one of the massive wind generators in Texas. The only problem? The photo was taken in Sweden years ago, not in the U.S. in 2021. The helicopter sprayed hot water onto the wind turbine, not chemicals.
Other social media users, including Republican U.S. Rep. Lauren Boebert of Colorado, puzzlingly labeled the Green New Deal as the culprit. Boebert tweeted on Monday that the proposal was “proven unsustainable as renewables are clearly unreliable.”
The agency confirmed that wellhead freeze-offs and other issues curtailing supply in natural gas systems were primarily to blame for new outages on Tuesday, after severe winter weather caused failures across multiple fuel types in recent days.
Renewable energy is a popular scapegoat for new problems as more frequent extreme weather events strain infrastructure, according to Emily Grubert, an assistant professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering at Georgia Institute of Technology.
“It’s easy to focus on the thing that you can see changing as the source of why an outcome is changing,” Grubert told the AP. “The reality is that managing our systems is becoming more difficult. And that’s something that is easy to blame on the reaction to it, but it’s not actually the root cause.”
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/texas-blackouts-fuel-false-claims-renewable-energy-75936319
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Given the fact that water has a 600fold or so greater density than wind it surely move fast into renewable energy Investment and become a reliable base load energy factor.
Particularly where coastal region have deep water close to shore where offshore wind cant be used ( too deep for the pillars)
Harry_Wild
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Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
This information here is complete nonsense and made up with nothing behind it! Fake news!
!chrischris
G.O.A.T.
This information here is complete nonsense and made up with nothing behind it! Fake news!
Oil and gas perhaps feel that renewable energy is eating into their marketshares..
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Texas would have benefited from being part of another power grid than only their own atm.
In many places in the world this is not possible as nations and states buy and sell and help as it were when energy demands are unusually high in a certain area.
Sometimes one is stronger together than going it alone.
In many places in the world this is not possible as nations and states buy and sell and help as it were when energy demands are unusually high in a certain area.
Sometimes one is stronger together than going it alone.
van_Loederen
Professional
all true, you should reach out to your local authorities and have some referendum so that the power plant can be built right in your neighborhood asap to provide y'all with cheap energy!
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Homegrown and potentially radiant. only takes 5 to 10 years before you get any heat , just keep your cool in the meantime.
van_Loederen
Professional
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yeah, residents may prefer the windpark-solarroof solution in the end. all-in-all hardly or barely more expensive, and costs are shared and staggered.
ugly they are in daylight, but at night may make one sleep more tightly
yeah, residents may prefer the windpark-solarroof solution in the end. all-in-all hardly or barely more expensive, and costs are shared and staggered.
ugly they are in daylight, but at night may make one sleep more tightly
Mike Bulgakov
G.O.A.T.
This information here is complete nonsense and made up with nothing behind it! Fake news!
mucat
Hall of Fame
It is highly unlikely to be fake. Boston Dynamics has been working on it for years.
Maybe you are thinking of this one?
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Probably.
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