Advice needed from Nadal's Fans to Uncle TONI for beating Novak

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srinrajesh

Guest
Hello Nadal fans

What does Nadal need to employ in his strategy to improve his game and dominate Djoker again?

I feel that even though Novak has won all five matches this year, Rafa had a fair chance to win 2/3 of those if he had just maintained his focus- Miami, Indian Wells and even Wimby. Novak has played at his best level when he has played Nadal and it wont be possible for him to maintain that high standard..
On the other hand Nadal has to show better mental toughness and shrug off five straight losses. He needs to do it sooner rather than later.

I have listed a few reasons that have contributed to his string of losses to Djoker apart from djoker's high level of play

1) Nadal opting to receive serve and serving behind and under pressure in the closing stages.
Out of the last 3 matches Vs Djoker he played 8 sets Djoker won 7/7 sets in which he served first. Nadal won the only set where he served first.

WIMBY
Nole won 3/3 when he served first

Rome
Nole won 2/2 when he served first. Broke both times in final game when Rafa served to stay in the set

Madrid
Nole won 2/2 when he served first. Broke both times in final game when Rafa served to stay in the set

So out of the last 8 sets they have played the player starting the set has won each time.

In other two matches in non tie break sets
Miami and Indian Wells
Nole won 2/4 when he served first.

2) Break points and conversion

Indian Wells
Rafa 3/9
Djoker 5/8


Miami
Rafa 2/4
Djoker 2/9

Madrid
Rafa 3/6
Djoker 5/12

Rome
Rafa 2/3
Djoker 4/11

Wimby
Rafa 3/6
Djoker 5/6

So overall in 5 matches Rafa has a 13/28 record in 14 sets played. If you leave out the tie break set.. that means on average Rafa has got a break once every set. Usually that may be sufficient for him to win 3/ 4 out of the five matches but the problem has been that his serve has been put under continual pressure. Novak has 21/46 record. For starters that is 18 breakpoints more than Nadal has managed. What this shows is the big gulf in serving this year. Nadal has not managed to hold serve well this year. He has struggled even against lower players like Pablo Andujar and the like.

So i feel he has to make the following changes


1) Nadal needs to show calculated aggression. At wimbledon especially he seemed frustrated by Novak's defence and went for more on his groundstrokes resulting in more errors. He should be prepared to mentally grind it out like he did on clay last few years.

2) Nadal has to use the short angles more to drag Novak off court particularly on his backhand like he used to do earlier.

3) Rafa has to come into the net more. There were number of rallies at wimby particularly where he appeared to be dominating the rally but couldn't close out because of Novak's defence which is now the best in the world.

4) Rafa has to use the kicker serve to Djoker's forehand more often particularly in the deuce court. Belluci had great success with that at Madrid where he almost beat novak.

5) Rafa has to change the pace of shot from time to time to keep Novak guessing. He likes pace in the rallies and may struggle when it is not available. However Nadal needs to hit hs slices either very deep in the court or well executed drop shot. Tomic exploited this at wimby QTF but didnt have experience to close out the match.

6) Nadal needs to surprise Djoker by choosing to serve first at times when he wins the toss. This can help him put pressure on Novak at the end of the set instead of being under pressure. This could help him especially if he wins first set by breaking serve and starting ahead in the second.

7) Nadal needs to put more pressure on Novak's serve by going for more on the second serve.

8) Nadal's down the line forehand from his backhand corner is not working because it is hit to Djoker's BH which is his strength. He needs to change it up and needs to work on Djoker's FH. He needs to hit his forehand down the line from his FH corner so that it goes to Djoker's FH.

9) Needs to be more confident mentally and not be affected by his losses.. This is easier said than done though.. He just needs one victory to turn things around.

10) Needs a new member in his entourage to come up with new ideas..

Also i expect Novak's level to drop slightly as he has played amazing tennis in the first 7 months and it does not seem possible to repeat that the whole year.
 
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Clarky21

Banned
Honestly,there is nothing Nadal can do right now to beat Djokovic. Novak has figured him out completely. Nothing to be done about it.
 
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srinrajesh

Guest
Well he has to motivate himself and become a better player .. We can discuss what changes he needs to employ.
 
S&V vs. Nole more? that wont end well as an all set long strategy but it could be a great change of pace at the beginning of sets and times when Nole is a little on edge (which is rare these days).

I do think Rafa is under using his slice but mostly it is serving.
 
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srinrajesh

Guest
S&V vs. Nole more? that wont end well as an all set long strategy but it could be a great change of pace at the beginning of sets and times when Nole is a little on edge (which is rare these days).

I do think Rafa is under using his slice but mostly it is serving.


He need not do S&V as much. He needs to come to the net to finish off the points particularly when he hits an aggressive shot that has Djoker on the run ..
 

FedExpress 333

Professional
I think these are all valuable points, but the most important re the kicker to Novaks FH (which Nadal understandably had not practiced much up till now, but he needs to start) and the DTl FH from the FH corner, along with an inside out Fh. He must try to brea down Novaks FH and finish points a net more.
 

Crisstti

Legend
Those are very good points.

I certainly think he needs to start serving in the sets. He clearly isn't handling well the pressure of having to serve to stay in the match, for whatever reason.

May I ask what is the kicker serve though...?
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Those are very good points.

I certainly think he needs to start serving in the sets. He clearly isn't handling well the pressure of having to serve to stay in the match, for whatever reason.

May I ask what is the kicker serve though...?

Definitely. That decision has cost him a few important sets with Novak.
 
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TheMagicianOfPrecision

Guest
Well, then I hope that Djokovic wins the toss and chooses to serve :)
 

Romismak

Rookie
Nadal needs to change few things - some of them were posted here already. 1) Serving first - is one of those more important changes and is easiest to do- if Rafa of course win coin toss. Pressure is always bad thing so why face it when you could avoid it simply by serving first and stay in lead all the time.
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2) going to the net more than he is used to - we will have only HC, and indoor HC tournaments now for long time so medium or faster surfaces for Rafa-Nole matches - so finish point on the net could work- Nadal is decent volleyer at least for modern standars, will be good for him. I can see that some people may argue that it could be stupid to go on the net against such great deffense player with great passing shots like Nole has, but still when he won´t be stupid and will go to the net only in good positions, good moments and with his volley skills and speed on the court he should win more points on the net than loose - so generally when you are better than 50% in something it is succesfull i think.
3) work on BH - in 2008 when Rafa was dominating and i believe it was his peak, his BH was rock solid and people were talking about Rafa having ,,2Forehands,, but now not only Nole but generally people try to play in his BH, because they know some error will come - this change need practice and don´t know what, but his BH should be better that is obvious.
4 ) mix up serves - it is obvious that Nadal ´s lefty serve to opponents BH won´t work here, he is used to get points and take advantage in rally, but to do that against guy who has best 2H BH and best return in the world is just not the same like against other players, so he needs to surprisingly change serves- mixhing slice, flat bombs, kick serves on T, wide from the court, it looked many times that RAfa is immediately after his serve in deffense after Novak´s great return. Rafa has bad serve - generally serve never was his weapon, but he needs to work on it - just like US open last year his serve was much better , he needs to either make him better or mixing it and make Nole guessing more whe the serve will be going.
5) hit more flat FH - i think it is obvious now, that Rafa´s topspin has no effect on Novak´s FH, BH, it just doesn´t work - only Rafa is in disadvantage, because he give with every his topspin shot more time to Nole to prepare for counter-shot and when you are playing against best deffender in the world time is luxury that you just can´t give him. So playing more flat FH will make less time for Nole , and his footwork is pretty important to have good timing for his shots, so playing flat shots from Rafa will make game quicker and it definetely won´t hurt Rafa, because he is the only one right now on the tour who can keep up with Novak in term of speed on the court, so playing quicker, flatter balls- shots is i think important to Nadal to do it.
6) attack more 2nd serve - this is obvious, more risky more agressive is the only way
7) mixing gamestyle- shots - it is like always you know after most of 2Nd serves there will be long long rally from the baseline and now Novak is more patient and less error guy from this 2, so Rafa need to reduce number of longer rallies with simply take advantage immediatelay after Novak´s weaker 2nd serve- not every 2nd serve is attackable of course.
8) confidence- there is nothing better than beat him again to have again confidence against him
9) be more patient, if Novak now gluten free finalyl can keep up with Rafa in rallies and is waiting for Rafa´s error, why not Rafa is trying to be even more patient and waiting even longer for Novak ´s error- i know this point is crazy- because we can have super long rallies.... but still it is one of those things that could help win some rallies more.
10) try to get Novak on the net more often - this is maybe high risky, but i think i can see here opportunities - first of all i still think Rafa has best passing shots in the world and at least 2nd best deffense. So he should have some succes against not best volleyer at the net- and maybe it will be good for changing rytmus and gameplane - we were used to in past that Rafa was the one with better deffense and Novak was trying to break his deffense down, but Rafa always somehow won that point, now we can see that reverse. Rafa is the one trying to break down Novak´s deffense and is frustrating that he can´t do it and Novak is the one who is from total deffense winning points and frustrating Rafa.
 

Crisstti

Legend
Very good points, Romismak. I certainly agree he needs to attack more the second serve. I remember commentators here being shocked and even a little upset that Rafa was standing so much behind the baseline even to return Novak's second serve...
 
Rafa has to first improve his serve like he did at USO '10, then play more aggressive and at the same time keep up the pattern of working on nole's weakness which is his FH, also coming more towards the net... This is surely going to pay off if done patiently.
 
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monfed

Guest
I'm afraid the King doesn't have any weakness. :( I think we should be patient and wait untill the King loses his wings and falls down to earth.

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Gotcha Yoda/YKB :lol: :lol:
 
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srinrajesh

Guest
Hello Nadal fans

What does Nadal need to employ in his strategy to improve his game and dominate Djoker again?

I feel that even though Novak has won all five matches this year, Rafa had a fair chance to win 2/3 of those if he had just maintained his focus- Miami, Indian Wells and even Wimby. Novak has played at his best level when he has played Nadal and it wont be possible for him to maintain that high standard..
On the other hand Nadal has to show better mental toughness and shrug off five straight losses. He needs to do it sooner rather than later.

I have listed a few reasons that have contributed to his string of losses to Djoker apart from djoker's high level of play

1) Nadal opting to receive serve and serving behind and under pressure in the closing stages.
Out of the last 3 matches Vs Djoker he played 8 sets Djoker won 7/7 sets in which he served first. Nadal won the only set where he served first.

WIMBY
Nole won 3/3 when he served first

Rome
Nole won 2/2 when he served first. Broke both times in final game when Rafa served to stay in the set

Madrid
Nole won 2/2 when he served first. Broke both times in final game when Rafa served to stay in the set

So out of the last 8 sets they have played the player starting the set has won each time.

In other two matches in non tie break sets
Miami and Indian Wells
Nole won 2/4 when he served first.

2) Break points and conversion

Indian Wells
Rafa 3/9
Djoker 5/8


Miami
Rafa 2/4
Djoker 2/9

Madrid
Rafa 3/6
Djoker 5/12

Rome
Rafa 2/3
Djoker 4/11

Wimby
Rafa 3/6
Djoker 5/6

So overall in 5 matches Rafa has a 13/28 record in 14 sets played. If you leave out the tie break set.. that means on average Rafa has got a break once every set. Usually that may be sufficient for him to win 3/ 4 out of the five matches but the problem has been that his serve has been put under continual pressure. Novak has 21/46 record. For starters that is 18 breakpoints more than Nadal has managed. What this shows is the big gulf in serving this year. Nadal has not managed to hold serve well this year. He has struggled even against lower players like Pablo Andujar and the like.

So i feel he has to make the following changes


1) Nadal needs to show calculated aggression. At wimbledon especially he seemed frustrated by Novak's defence and went for more on his groundstrokes resulting in more errors. He should be prepared to mentally grind it out like he did on clay last few years.

2) Nadal has to use the short angles more to drag Novak off court particularly on his backhand like he used to do earlier.

3) Rafa has to come into the net more. There were number of rallies at wimby particularly where he appeared to be dominating the rally but couldn't close out because of Novak's defence which is now the best in the world.

4) Rafa has to use the kicker serve to Djoker's forehand more often particularly in the deuce court. Belluci had great success with that at Madrid where he almost beat novak.

5) Rafa has to change the pace of shot from time to time to keep Novak guessing. He likes pace in the rallies and may struggle when it is not available. However Nadal needs to hit hs slices either very deep in the court or well executed drop shot. Tomic exploited this at wimby QTF but didnt have experience to close out the match.

6) Nadal needs to surprise Djoker by choosing to serve first at times when he wins the toss. This can help him put pressure on Novak at the end of the set instead of being under pressure. This could help him especially if he wins first set by breaking serve and starting ahead in the second.

7) Nadal needs to put more pressure on Novak's serve by going for more on the second serve.

8) Nadal's down the line forehand from his backhand corner is not working because it is hit to Djoker's BH which is his strength. He needs to change it up and needs to work on Djoker's FH. He needs to hit his forehand down the line from his FH corner so that it goes to Djoker's FH.

9) Needs to be more confident mentally and not be affected by his losses.. This is easier said than done though.. He just needs one victory to turn things around.

10) Needs a new member in his entourage to come up with new ideas..

Also i expect Novak's level to drop slightly as he has played amazing tennis in the first 7 months and it does not seem possible to repeat that the whole year.



I have also noted a few more points that could be used against Djoker ..

1) Nole struggled a few times against FED during deep shots hit directly towards him in the centre of the court.. This cuts off the angles for him to hit winners. Nadal though has to hit with good depth else it gives Djoker chance to Tee off.
2) Body serve from time to time.
3) Short sliced drop volley to FH side of Nole.
 

Crisstti

Legend
I have also noted a few more points that could be used against Djoker ..

1) Nole struggled a few times against FED during deep shots hit directly towards him in the centre of the court.. This cuts off the angles for him to hit winners. Nadal though has to hit with good depth else it gives Djoker chance to Tee off.
2) Body serve from time to time.
3) Short sliced drop volley to FH side of Nole.

Commentators were saying here that that was something that botehred Novak of the way Tipsarevic played him.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Rafa is a better player than Novak, period.

He just needs to trust himself and play his game.
 

Netspirit

Hall of Fame
(not a Nadal fan by any means here)

Djokovic showed yesterday that the only shot he could not handle to save his life was Federer's short slice. Now, Federer's and Nadal's slices are from different planets, but it will not hurt to try short, skidding slices followed by deep topspin shots to the opposite corner.

Federer was also winning when he kept the points short, and losing when he engaged in baseline bashing beauty contests, so Nadal should take notice.
 
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