All-time weeks at #1 (including pre-Open era)

Lew II

G.O.A.T.

I converted years at #1 pre-1973 to weeks.

1 year = 52 weeks
1 year disputed by two players = 26 weeks
1 year disputed by three players = 17 weeks

Here's an estimate of the all-time most weeks at #1:

1) William Renshaw and Bill Tilden 338
3) Pancho Gonzales 332
4) Rod Laver 312
5) Novak Djokovic 311
6) Roger Federer 310
7) Pete Sampras 286
8) Ivan Lendl 270
9) Jimmy Connors 268
10) Laurence Doherty 235
11) Ken Rosewall 234
12) Donald Budge 225
13) Rafael Nadal 209
 
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NonP

Legend
Weeks at #1 is a silly marketing tool that nobody gave a damn about until after the standardization of the ATP/WTA - historically it's been the YE ranking that counts - but if you wanna play that game the Tennis Base has estimated Laver's reign at 402 weeks including 287 in a row, and Tilden does him one better with 600+.

So well over a manageable 27 weeks before Novak can claim the GOAT throne all by himself. Try harder next time, boy!
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Weeks at #1 is a silly marketing tool that nobody gave a damn about until after the standardization of the ATP/WTA - historically it's been the YE ranking that counts - but if you wanna play that game the Tennis Base has estimated Laver's reign at 402 weeks including 287 in a row, and Tilden does him one better with 600+.

So well over a manageable 27 weeks before Novak can claim the GOAT throne all by himself. Try harder next time, boy!
Source?
 
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PETEhammer

Guest
Weeks at #1 is a silly marketing tool that nobody gave a damn about until after the standardization of the ATP/WTA - historically it's been the YE ranking that counts - but if you wanna play that game the Tennis Base has estimated Laver's reign at 402 weeks including 287 in a row, and Tilden does him one better with 600+.

So well over a manageable 27 weeks before Novak can claim the GOAT throne all by himself. Try harder next time, boy!
Exactly. So really it's Pete and Novak at the top of the #1 list, Pete being the #1 of #1s in Open era because he did his 6 in a row.
 

NonP

Legend

I named it in the very post you quoted:


You do need to fork up dollars/euros for access (though you can try it out for a week), but no worries, I've done you the favor of digging up the rankings myself as it's been a while since my last time. Here they are (I'm somewhat uncomfortable sharing the whole thing, but it's one of their many tables so I doubt they'll mind):

1
USA​
723​
2
AUS​
452​
3
NZL​
378​
4
SUI​
306​
5
USA​
291​
6
USA​
290​
7
SRB​
282​
8
CZE​
263​
9
USA​
237​
10
GBR​
232​
11
ESP​
211​
11
GBR​
211​
13
SWE​
167​
14
USA​
166​
15
AUS​
143​
15
USA​
143​
17
USA​
139​
18
IRL​
133​
19
GBR​
129​
20
USA​
119​
21
IRL​
115​
22
GBR​
108​
23
USA​
105​
23
ECU​
105​
25
AUS​
104​
25
GBR​
104​
27
USA​
89​
28
AUS​
81​
28
ROU​
81​
30
GBR​
76​
31
USA​
75​
32
SWE​
72​
33
FRA​
65​
34
USA​
64​
35
USA​
62​
36
USA​
52​
36
GBR​
52​
36
GBR​
52​
36
USA​
52​
36
GBR​
52​

Exactly. So really it's Pete and Novak at the top of the #1 list, Pete being the #1 of #1s in Open era because he did his 6 in a row.

Even the ATP's YE rankings are far from sacrosanct. I've got Pete with 7 (including '99) and Fed with 6 ('03), and recent years like '17 and '19 are not such clear-cut cases, either.
 
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PETEhammer

Guest
I named it in the very post you quoted:


You do need to fork up dollars/euros for access (though you can try it out for a week), but no worries, I've done you the favor of digging up the rankings myself as it's been a while since my last time. Here they are (I'm somewhat uncomfortable sharing the whole thing, but it's one of their many tables so I doubt they'll mind):

1
USA​
723​
2
AUS​
452​
3
NZL​
378​
4
SUI​
306​
5
USA​
291​
6
USA​
290​
7
SRB​
282​
8
CZE​
263​
9
USA​
237​
10
GBR​
232​
11
ESP​
211​
11
GBR​
211​
13
SWE​
167​
14
USA​
166​
15
AUS​
143​
15
USA​
143​
17
USA​
139​
18
IRL​
133​
19
GBR​
129​
20
USA​
119​
21
IRL​
115​
22
GBR​
108​
23
USA​
105​
23
ECU​
105​
25
AUS​
104​
25
GBR​
104​
27
USA​
89​
28
AUS​
81​
28
ROU​
81​
30
GBR​
76​
31
USA​
75​
32
SWE​
72​
33
FRA​
65​
34
USA​
64​
35
USA​
62​
36
USA​
52​
36
GBR​
52​
36
GBR​
52​
36
USA​
52​
36
GBR​
52​



Even the ATP's YE rankings are far from sacrosanct. I've got Pete with 7 (including '99) and Fed with 6 ('03), and recent years like '17 and '19 are not such clear-cut cases, either.
Appreciate your work.
 

daphne

Hall of Fame

I converted years at #1 pre-1973 to weeks.

1 year = 52 weeks
1 year disputed by two players = 26 weeks
1 year disputed by three players = 17 weeks

Here's an estimate of the all-time most weeks at #1:

1) William Renshaw and Bill Tilden 338
3) Pancho Gonzales 332
4) Rod Laver 312
5) Novak Djokovic 311
6) Roger Federer 310
7) Pete Sampras 286
8) Ivan Lendl 270
9) Jimmy Connors 268
10) Laurence Doherty 235
11) Ken Rosewall 234
12) Donald Budge 225
13) Rafael Nadal 209
Hard work!
 

daphne

Hall of Fame
Weeks at #1 is a silly marketing tool that nobody gave a damn about until after the standardization of the ATP/WTA - historically it's been the YE ranking that counts - but if you wanna play that game the Tennis Base has estimated Laver's reign at 402 weeks including 287 in a row, and Tilden does him one better with 600+.

So well over a manageable 27 weeks before Novak can claim the GOAT throne all by himself. Try harder next time, boy!
# GSs is a silly marketing tool that nobody gives a damn about - historically it's been the # 1 Weeks ranking that counts. ONLY!

And we all know who it is!
 

daphne

Hall of Fame
Nole is a worthy successor. It will hurt only a little when he becomes the GOAT.
Agreed. It will hurt only a tiny little bit but we all must acknowledge, embrace and, in an unifying manner, accept it as the universal truth. It is a difficult period for all of us but we will survive!
 
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PETEhammer

Guest
Agreed. It will hurt only a tiny little bit but we all must acknowledge, embrace and, in an unifying manner, accept it as the universal truth. It is a difficult period for all of us but we will survive!
As long as Pete is respected and his unique achievements acknowledged, I have no problem.
 
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PETEhammer

Guest
I have no issues either. Loved Pete and to top it off he was Djok's idol when he was delivering pizza's around mountain peaks.
Yes! Its interesting that a player with a hyper aggressive serve volley style was such an inspiration for the baseline/counterpunching Nole. I wonder how as a very young kid how he was raised to play. The champion mentality and clutchness is clearly what the common link was.

And didn't know Novak delivered pizzas in his early years. Should read up on him
 

GoldenMasters

Semi-Pro
I named it in the very post you quoted:


You do need to fork up dollars/euros for access (though you can try it out for a week), but no worries, I've done you the favor of digging up the rankings myself as it's been a while since my last time. Here they are (I'm somewhat uncomfortable sharing the whole thing, but it's one of their many tables so I doubt they'll mind):

1
USA​
723​
2
AUS​
452​
3
NZL​
378​
4
SUI​
306​
5
USA​
291​
6
USA​
290​
7
SRB​
282​
8
CZE​
263​
9
USA​
237​
10
GBR​
232​
11
ESP​
211​
11
GBR​
211​
13
SWE​
167​
14
USA​
166​
15
AUS​
143​
15
USA​
143​
17
USA​
139​
18
IRL​
133​
19
GBR​
129​
20
USA​
119​
21
IRL​
115​
22
GBR​
108​
23
USA​
105​
23
ECU​
105​
25
AUS​
104​
25
GBR​
104​
27
USA​
89​
28
AUS​
81​
28
ROU​
81​
30
GBR​
76​
31
USA​
75​
32
SWE​
72​
33
FRA​
65​
34
USA​
64​
35
USA​
62​
36
USA​
52​
36
GBR​
52​
36
GBR​
52​
36
USA​
52​
36
GBR​
52​



Even the ATP's YE rankings are far from sacrosanct. I've got Pete with 7 (including '99) and Fed with 6 ('03), and recent years like '17 and '19 are not such clear-cut cases, either.


This spreadsheet shows Federer with 306 weeks and Djokovic with 282. Now I wanted to assume that it just isn't updated but then I saw that it says Nadal has 211. :unsure:
 
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PETEhammer

Guest
This spreadsheet shows Federer with 306 weeks and Djokovic with 282. Now I wanted to assume that it just isn't updated but then I saw that it says Nadal has 211. :unsure:
Its a different ranking system from the ATP. For example, Pete is shown with 290 weeks when ATP only has him at 286. NonP can explain more about the system since is rhe first I've ever seen it.
 

NonP

Legend
# GSs is a silly marketing tool that nobody gives a damn about - historically it's been the # 1 Weeks ranking that counts. ONLY!

And we all know who it is!

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This spreadsheet shows Federer with 306 weeks and Djokovic with 282. Now I wanted to assume that it just isn't updated but then I saw that it says Nadal has 211. :unsure:

The TB system doesn't always mirror the ATP's (for example it credits Pete for only 5 years as #1 while also giving Lendl and Rafa as many) so that's probably the reason why.

I don't necessarily agree with it, mind you. Just pointing out that you can build a plausible "system" out of these combinations but it'll always contain some element of subjective judgment (or plain bias), no matter how rigorous it is. Yet more reason not to put too much stock in weekly rankings.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
I named it in the very post you quoted:


You do need to fork up dollars/euros for access (though you can try it out for a week), but no worries, I've done you the favor of digging up the rankings myself as it's been a while since my last time. Here they are (I'm somewhat uncomfortable sharing the whole thing, but it's one of their many tables so I doubt they'll mind):

1
USA​
723​
2
AUS​
452​
3
NZL​
378​
4
SUI​
306​
5
USA​
291​
6
USA​
290​
7
SRB​
282​
8
CZE​
263​
9
USA​
237​
10
GBR​
232​
11
ESP​
211​
11
GBR​
211​
13
SWE​
167​
14
USA​
166​
15
AUS​
143​
15
USA​
143​
17
USA​
139​
18
IRL​
133​
19
GBR​
129​
20
USA​
119​
21
IRL​
115​
22
GBR​
108​
23
USA​
105​
23
ECU​
105​
25
AUS​
104​
25
GBR​
104​
27
USA​
89​
28
AUS​
81​
28
ROU​
81​
30
GBR​
76​
31
USA​
75​
32
SWE​
72​
33
FRA​
65​
34
USA​
64​
35
USA​
62​
36
USA​
52​
36
GBR​
52​
36
GBR​
52​
36
USA​
52​
36
GBR​
52​



Even the ATP's YE rankings are far from sacrosanct. I've got Pete with 7 (including '99) and Fed with 6 ('03), and recent years like '17 and '19 are not such clear-cut cases, either.
Keep dreaming. Federer has 5 Year End #1. Roddick is officially the Year End #1 in 2003. Analogously, Nadal is the offical Year End #1 both in 2017 and 2019, and rightly so. The ATP Year End #1 is based on mathemathics and purely objective. It measures which player has been more regular and has accumulated the most ATP points. Your biased hate of Nadal and fanboying of Federer will not change reality.
 
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Lew II

G.O.A.T.
I named it in the very post you quoted:


You do need to fork up dollars/euros for access (though you can try it out for a week), but no worries, I've done you the favor of digging up the rankings myself as it's been a while since my last time. Here they are (I'm somewhat uncomfortable sharing the whole thing, but it's one of their many tables so I doubt they'll mind):

1
USA​
723​
2
AUS​
452​
3
NZL​
378​
4
SUI​
306​
5
USA​
291​
6
USA​
290​
7
SRB​
282​
8
CZE​
263​
9
USA​
237​
10
GBR​
232​
11
ESP​
211​
11
GBR​
211​
13
SWE​
167​
14
USA​
166​
15
AUS​
143​
15
USA​
143​
17
USA​
139​
18
IRL​
133​
19
GBR​
129​
20
USA​
119​
21
IRL​
115​
22
GBR​
108​
23
USA​
105​
23
ECU​
105​
25
AUS​
104​
25
GBR​
104​
27
USA​
89​
28
AUS​
81​
28
ROU​
81​
30
GBR​
76​
31
USA​
75​
32
SWE​
72​
33
FRA​
65​
34
USA​
64​
35
USA​
62​
36
USA​
52​
36
GBR​
52​
36
GBR​
52​
36
USA​
52​
36
GBR​
52​



Even the ATP's YE rankings are far from sacrosanct. I've got Pete with 7 (including '99) and Fed with 6 ('03), and recent years like '17 and '19 are not such clear-cut cases, either.
What are the criterias to determine the #1?
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Keep dreaming. Federer has 5 Year End #1. Roddick is officially the Year End #1 in 2003. Analogously, Nadal is the offical Year End #1 both in 2017 and 2019, and rightly so. The ATP Year End #1 is based on mathemathics and purely objective. It measures which player has been more regular and has accumulated the most ATP points. Your biased hate of Nadal and fanboying of Federer will not change reality.
Yeah the ATP ranking is pretty much undisputable. My only problem is Connors has way too many weeks more than Borg.
 
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NonP

Legend
Keep dreaming. Federer has 5 Year End #1. Roddick is officially the Year End #1 in 2003. Analogously, Nadal is the offical Year End #1 both in 2017 and 2019, and rightly so. The ATP Year End #1 is based on mathemathics and purely objective. It measures which player has been more regular and has accumulated the most ATP points. Your biased hate of Nadal and fanboying of Federer will not change reality.

Or maybe you need better control of your knee-jerk reflex. Ask any of the longtime regulars here if I'm a Fed fanboy with "biased hate of Nadal" and you'll get laughed out of the room.

And there's nothing set in stone that says Slams are worth 2000 points, YECs 1500, Masters 1000, etc. If this is as simple as blindly parroting what the ATP says why do we even bother to have this "discussion"?

What are the criterias to determine the #1?

 
Some crazy fanatic.
I love the design but it's still just a blog. Some hilarious post on it in 'latest news', like "Jack Sock in everyone's mouth", "Kyrgios CRUSHES Djokovic twice in a row", etc.
Anyway,it's pointless to compare eras 90 years apart or translate that tour's results into comparable weeks at #1.
1-scedu_tilden1919.jpg
 

urban

Legend
What Non P writes, is correct. The Tennis Base is the largest and best data base for the whole tennis history, with thousands of newly found data integrated . Maybe still new findings of matches and tournaments of the past emerge (thanks to careful and solid researchers like No Mercy), so the data provided can change a little bit over time.

The problem for the ATP rankings since 1973 is, that the ATP changed their whole ranking system several times. In the 1970s, it was a average percentage system of average points won per events played, not an addition point race system like today, with 2000, 1000, 500 and 250 categories. It could (and in fact will be) very well, that many ATP rankings of the 1970s and 1980s would change dramatically, if you use the point race system of today. See the 1975, 1977 or 1978 ATP rankings for example. Tennis Base is using a modern point system for the whole tennis history.

The poster Slasher has reconstructed the weekly ATP rankings from 1968-1973 on the basis of the then intact ATP system on a weekly basis. Its on a different forum, so i cannot cite it here. For Rod Laver for instance, he has a weekly Nr. 1 ranking of 187, from spring 1968, the birth of open tennis, to 1972. This covers only the open era period of the players careers.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Lol Federer would straight set Pancho and Laver back to back on the same day if all were at their peak.

So much for these stats
 

NonP

Legend
What Non P writes, is correct. The Tennis Base is the largest and best data base for the whole tennis history, with thousands of newly found data integrated . Maybe still new findings of matches and tournaments of the past emerge (thanks to careful and solid researchers like No Mercy), so the data provided can change a little bit over time.

The problem for the ATP rankings since 1973 is, that the ATP changed their whole ranking system several times. In the 1970s, it was a average percentage system of average points won per events played, not an addition point race system like today, with 2000, 1000, 500 and 250 categories. It could (and in fact will be) very well, that many ATP rankings of the 1970s and 1980s would change dramatically, if you use the point race system of today. See the 1975, 1977 or 1978 ATP rankings for example. Tennis Base is using a modern point system for the whole tennis history.

The poster Slasher has reconstructed the weekly ATP rankings from 1968-1973 on the basis of the then intact ATP system on a weekly basis. Its on a different forum, so i cannot cite it here. For Rod Laver for instance, he has a weekly Nr. 1 ranking of 187, from spring 1968, the birth of open tennis, to 1972. This covers only the open era period of the players careers.

I've got my own issues with the TB rankings but they're surely not some guy's random, half-baked calculations on "just a blog," LOL. I mean ya really think anyone would fork up $100-ish a year to access that stuff if it weren't any good?!

To me the very notion that one can create a consistent ranking system for all of tennis history is suspect. There's no way a cutthroat egomaniac like Gonzales would've sat out more than half of 1960 if he knew Kenny could still overtake him for the year (that alone "cost" him over 26 weeks as #1, if we're to adhere to the TB system), and serious fans understand that Tilden's actual duration of reign was not a whopping 15 years but more in line with that of Gonzales, Laver or Sampras. Players respond to the demands and expectations of their times and that's what these computations invariably fail to capture, no matter how well reasoned or constructed they may be.
 
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PETEhammer

Guest
Or maybe you need better control of your knee-jerk reflex. Ask any of the longtime regulars here if I'm a Fed fanboy with "biased hate of Nadal" and you'll get laughed out of the room.

And there's nothing set in stone that says Slams are worth 2000 points, YECs 1500, Masters 1000, etc. If this is as simple as blindly parroting what the ATP says why do we even bother to have this "discussion"?



For what its worth, based on the admittedly few posts of yours I've read I was surprised to hear anyone thought of you as a biased Fedfan.
 

urban

Legend
I agree for most arguments. I have discussed these issues especially for the pre WW1 era and the 1920/30 era in another thread on the fomer players section, which was made by Ivan. But Tennis Base gives an insight and good overview, that former pre open era players had very comparable careers to the big 3 of today, and often enough get no credit for their achievements, because people, and especially fanbases of modern players, simply neclect the data, which are provided since say 10 or 15 years of internet research. The matches and tournaments were in fact played in reality, but were often forgotten by the sad and poor record keeping of leading tennis organisations like ILTF or ATP. I find it strange, that even people like Drucker and Tignor never mention, that most ATP records relate only to open era, and not the 100 years before.
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
If Nadal manages to finish the season as world number 1 for the sixth time, he will be the oldest in the Open Era, without a doubt, and will establish another legendary mark, my question is if there was another tennis player who did it being older than Nadal's current age in case the Spanish player achieves it?
:unsure:
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
I named it in the very post you quoted:


You do need to fork up dollars/euros for access (though you can try it out for a week), but no worries, I've done you the favor of digging up the rankings myself as it's been a while since my last time. Here they are (I'm somewhat uncomfortable sharing the whole thing, but it's one of their many tables so I doubt they'll mind):

1
USA​
723​
2
AUS​
452​
3
NZL​
378​
4
SUI​
306​
5
USA​
291​
6
USA​
290​
7
SRB​
282​
8
CZE​
263​
9
USA​
237​
10
GBR​
232​
11
ESP​
211​
11
GBR​
211​
13
SWE​
167​
14
USA​
166​
15
AUS​
143​
15
USA​
143​
17
USA​
139​
18
IRL​
133​
19
GBR​
129​
20
USA​
119​
21
IRL​
115​
22
GBR​
108​
23
USA​
105​
23
ECU​
105​
25
AUS​
104​
25
GBR​
104​
27
USA​
89​
28
AUS​
81​
28
ROU​
81​
30
GBR​
76​
31
USA​
75​
32
SWE​
72​
33
FRA​
65​
34
USA​
64​
35
USA​
62​
36
USA​
52​
36
GBR​
52​
36
GBR​
52​
36
USA​
52​
36
GBR​
52​



Even the ATP's YE rankings are far from sacrosanct. I've got Pete with 7 (including '99) and Fed with 6 ('03), and recent years like '17 and '19 are not such clear-cut cases, either.

This essentially says Tilden was #1 for almost 14 years. How is that possible when his amateur Slam winning career was from 1920-1930, and he didn't do much in 1926 and 1928? This one is clearly incorrect.
 

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
# GSs is a silly marketing tool that nobody gives a damn about - historically it's been the # 1 Weeks ranking that counts. ONLY!
Weekly rankings have been around only since 1973. "Historically," that leaves only 1972 to 1877 to consider.
 

PulpoPena

New User
I named it in the very post you quoted:


You do need to fork up dollars/euros for access (though you can try it out for a week), but no worries, I've done you the favor of digging up the rankings myself as it's been a while since my last time. Here they are (I'm somewhat uncomfortable sharing the whole thing, but it's one of their many tables so I doubt they'll mind):

1
USA​
723​
2
AUS​
452​
3
NZL​
378​
4
SUI​
306​
5
USA​
291​
6
USA​
290​
7
SRB​
282​
8
CZE​
263​
9
USA​
237​
10
GBR​
232​
11
ESP​
211​
11
GBR​
211​
13
SWE​
167​
14
USA​
166​
15
AUS​
143​
15
USA​
143​
17
USA​
139​
18
IRL​
133​
19
GBR​
129​
20
USA​
119​
21
IRL​
115​
22
GBR​
108​
23
USA​
105​
23
ECU​
105​
25
AUS​
104​
25
GBR​
104​
27
USA​
89​
28
AUS​
81​
28
ROU​
81​
30
GBR​
76​
31
USA​
75​
32
SWE​
72​
33
FRA​
65​
34
USA​
64​
35
USA​
62​
36
USA​
52​
36
GBR​
52​
36
GBR​
52​
36
USA​
52​
36
GBR​
52​



Even the ATP's YE rankings are far from sacrosanct. I've got Pete with 7 (including '99) and Fed with 6 ('03), and recent years like '17 and '19 are not such clear-cut cases, either.


Do you have the info for Roy Emerson and Fred Perry? Thank you!
 

Enceladus

Legend
Djoker is the longest-reigning male tennis No. 1, guys. The numbers we see from Laver or Tilden are just pseudo-stats. In their time, there was no official ranking, the ranking was determined by journalists, who often could not agree on who is the best tennis player.
 

AO13

Hall of Fame
This essentially says Tilden was #1 for almost 14 years. How is that possible when his amateur Slam winning career was from 1920-1930, and he didn't do much in 1926 and 1928? This one is clearly incorrect.

Not even Alcaraz can be World number 1 for 14 years.

8-B
 

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
To me the very notion that one can create a consistent ranking system for all of tennis history is suspect. Players respond to the demands and expectations of their times and that's what these computations invariably fail to capture, no matter how well reasoned or constructed they may be.
(y) The constant disrespect for legends of the game because their achievements don’t easily line up with the modern era is quite sad. Tilden was every bit the star Fedal were, Pancho was even more dominant #1 than Djokovic and Pete were.
 

Lauren_Girl'

Hall of Fame
311 are now 373**, with a double asterisk.
* Would be 395 if they didn't freeze the rankings between March and August 2020
* It's more or less certain he would still be #1 if he could play ATP-Cup/AO/IW/Miami this year and if Wimbledon awarded the 2000 points. He wouldn't even need to win the AO, A Semifinal in Australia, a few wins at the ATP Cup and a final in either IW or Miami and he'd still be ahead of Medvedev.

So if it weren't for politics he would already have +400

How about YE-1? I doubt anyone would have 8.
 

NonP

Legend
This essentially says Tilden was #1 for almost 14 years. How is that possible when his amateur Slam winning career was from 1920-1930, and he didn't do much in 1926 and 1928? This one is clearly incorrect.

As I said in #30 serious historians would agree that Tilden's reign was more in line with that of Gonzales, Laver, Sampras or Djokovic. That TB list was really to show that U can construct a seemingly objective ranking system to fit any plausible narrative. No single set of metrics can accommodate more than a century of any sport's history, no matter how hard we try.

Do you have the info for Roy Emerson and Fred Perry? Thank you!

Afraid not, and I'm not about to (re-)sign up just to look up some numbers for two players, LOL.

I can tell you, though, that Emerson was never considered the best player in the world. As for Perry I refer you to this highly useful Wiki page:


So about 2-3 years. Of course the pro-amateur split makes this ranking business rather tricky for the early pre-Open era when no group clearly outclassed the other.

(y) The constant disrespect for legends of the game because their achievements don’t easily line up with the modern era is quite sad. Tilden was every bit the star Fedal were, Pancho was even more dominant #1 than Djokovic and Pete were.

Gonzales and Djokovic are in fact the only guys that arguably dominated the tour for much of the season for 10 yrs:


But yeah, if I had to pick one I'd still give it to Gorgo for doing it 10 yrs straight. I seriously doubt that monumental achievement will ever be equaled, when even Big Bill, Rocket, Pistol, Fraud or Novaxx never came close.
 
To me, it's just silly to construct "objective" (i.e. formula-based) rankings for eras long ago. There is a big difference between a ranking based on a formula known in advance of the matches and a ranking that's a post-hoc reconstruction of results.

There just weren't formula-based rankings prior to the development of the ATP rankings. There are of course problems with all the formulas the ATP has used, but if you want to compare weeks as 1, the ATP's formula is the only fair way to do it. Other comparisons are much better off sticking to year-ends as 1. The absence of a formula prior to 1973 isn't as problematic in that case, because people did debate it and players knew that it would be debated. Besides, the problem isn't with making an argument about something that people didn't know they'd be competing for but with trying to objectify that by constructing an after-the-fact formula that in no way matches the expectations of the players.
 

maxime-o

New User
Hey guys, I know that the last message was quite a long time ago but who knows.
I didn't know The Tennis Base, so I tried to subscribe but it seems that it doesn't work anymore. How can I have access to the website? Thanks a lot!
 
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