Am I The Only One Thinks Lil Wayne is Way Overrated?

[UW_Husky88]

K so I finally listened to tha carter 3, and I still don't see why people are suddenly thinking he's the G.O.A.T or even best alive of rap. As a hip-hop purist, I think it's pretty much offensive to greats such as Tupac, Notorious B.I.G., Nas, Big L, etc. that this overly hyped, overly commercial rapper is being deemed the greatest just b/c of his sales and b/c people don't know good music.

Now before I get flamed, especially for that last sentence, I want to give him some props: Compared to most of the garbage out these days, he's got skills. He's got a good flow, and I must admit after listening to Mr. Carter (esp the first verse) and A Milli that he's seperated him self slightly from the competition. He is pretty catchy too.

But seriously, in the lollipop remix, Kanye's verse killed him, and on half of his songs, his guests destroy him, so why do people still consider him to be so great? I just want to know b/c although I'll admit he's talented, I don't see how this dude who sounds like he's dying when he rhymes and steals verses from greats is considered to be the best of all-time when Nas, Jay-Z, Eminem, Dr. Dre, etc. would murder him.

 

[hollywood9826]

He may be a bit overrated, but thats mainly due to the state of the industry right now. Sales aret what they used to be so to make that paper you need to keep busting out tracks. Its easier to do that with guests which means you only to need to spit one verse maybe two.

His freestlyes are really good and few can match those skills he has. but radio dont play those songs they play the commercial junk.

Rakim still da best IMO

 

[dima]

Who claims he's the greatest? HE does, no one else does. He's crap in my book, always has been, and always will be.

 

[KBalla08]

Nope, you are not the only one, I think Tha Carter 3 was **** lol. Nas and Dre are the best rappers alive, Nas' new CD is amazing.

 

[hollywood9826]

Many claim he is the best right now. Not too many G.O.A.T statement but.

Rolling Stone said of Wayne's Da Drought 3 and The Drought Is Over 2, as being "among the best albums of 2007"

MTV poll selected Lil Wayne as 'Hottest MC in the Game.

He was named one of the "Men Of The Year" for Workaholic by GQ Magazine.

In 2008 he was named "Best Rock Star Alive" by Blender Magazine

In Rolling Stone's Best of Rock 2008 issue, Wayne was named the "Best MC"

 

[Jon Rudy]

Many claim he is the best right now. Not too many G.O.A.T statement but.

Rolling Stone said of Wayne's Da Drought 3 and The Drought Is Over 2, as being "among the best albums of 2007"

MTV poll selected Lil Wayne as 'Hottest MC in the Game.

He was named one of the "Men Of The Year" for Workaholic by GQ Magazine.

In 2008 he was named "Best Rock Star Alive" by Blender Magazine

In Rolling Stone's Best of Rock 2008 issue, Wayne was named the "Best MC"

Those are some extremely reliable sources. Thank goodness those are the only music and entertainment sources I use to make my decisions...and he may very well be the best out there right now. Of course, with the music people put out these days, that's not saying much.

 

[Muse]

Bleh, he's terribly overrated. I like the remix of Lollipop, but as was previously stated, Kanye killed him. The only song that comes to mind when Weezy raps better than someone is in Stuntin' Like My Daddy, cause Birdman sucks.

Lupe Fiasco = Best MC today, by far.

 

[tricky]

Lupe Fiasco = Best MC today, by far.

And if you get Lil Wayne in an especially inebriated state, he probably would admit Lupe (aka "Second Coming of Nas" ) > Wayne too.

 

[Hot Sauce]

I've never heard anyone say that he's the greatest, but he is far from it. I like his music, he's got good beats, and good freestyles, but like you said, he should not be compared to the greatness of Tupac or Biggie Smalls.

 

[tricky]

A lot of it is Lil Wayne saying it, and some of the mainstream publications are talking about it. Not coincidentally, the "hip hop is dead" movement has never been louder than it is now too.

 

[VAmazona]

I don't see how this dude who sounds like he's dying when he rhymes and steals verses from greats is considered to be the best of all-time when Nas, Jay-Z, Eminem, Dr. Dre, etc. would murder him.

literally.

 

[TokyopunK]

Hahahaha

This kid lil' weezy
he be the fo sheezy'
Gettin' high on the weekie'
With the girls he get freaky


Bustin' loose baby..... feat. me in a song lil wayne!!!!

 

[Floridafan34]

i think compared to whats out there right now..( Hurricane Chris...Soulja Boy) and all that other trash he is currently one of the top rappers in the industry right now. Why else would he sell 1 mill first week and be featured on every single song... he is overrated because people only listen to whats on the radio and compared to that it would seem Lil Wayne >>> ___. But i agree he is a little overrated but he isnt crap..

 

[Vitaly Evchenkov]

y'all been sippin too much of that purple DRANK

 

[tricky]

( Hurricane Chris...Soulja Boy) and all that other trash he is currently one of the top rappers in the industry right now.

I agree with The Genius when he said people should lay off Soulja Boy. He's just a kid who had a big novelty hit from word-of-mouth.

y'all been sippin too much of that purple DRANK

Grape juice, what's that?!? I gotta have my grape drink!

 

[tenniskid3119]

he is one of the best rappers of today, but i do not know enough to compare to earlier rappers.

Grape juice, what's that?!? I gotta have my grape drink!

alright, how about some apple juice? what is juice? i want some apple drrank!! ITS GREEEENN!!

 

[RestockingTues]

The OP made Lil Wayne sound like D-Young, g'job!

 

[The_Dark_Knight]

I loves me some Tribe Called Quest, yo.

And Breakfast Pizza. Listen to ode to breakfast.
It's a masterpiece.


I’m just fairly funky white teenager
Stun is the setting that is always on my phaser
Seein’ me rap is like a shock from a tazer
My rhymes is just as sharp as Gillette razer
Son, I’m just a fairly funky white teenager

 

[UW_Husky88]

he is one of the best rappers of today, but i do not know enough to compare to earlier rappers.

well, perhaps you haven't heard people call him the G.O.A.T but he has said that he's the best alive and there are thousands of people that claim he's the best alive and think he's amazing. But like I said, and I'll mention only active rappers, Nas, Jay-Z (when he puts some effort like his latest album), The Game, Lupe, Dr. Dre, Eminem, Kanye West, Snoop Dogg (when he puts some effort like Doggystyle or Tha Blue Carpet Treatment), KRS-one, Ludacris, and Papoose (up and coming dude) are all MUCH better than him, and that doesn't even include underground rappers like Immortal Technique. So I don't even see how he's in the discussion for best alive, yet so many people still like him. I'm surprised I haven't been flamed by one of his fans yet.

 

[tricky]

well, perhaps you haven't heard people call him the G.O.A.T but he has said that he's the best alive and there are thousands of people that claim he's the best alive and think he's amazing.

Yeah, but it's standard for many top MCs to say they're the best in the game (and in fact, that's part of the game.) I don't think anybody from New York believes Lil Wayne is the best.

The Game, Lupe, Dr. Dre, Eminem, Kanye West, Snoop Dogg (when he puts some effort like Doggystyle or Tha Blue Carpet Treatment), KRS-one, Ludacris, and Papoose (up and coming dude)

I think I'd put Lil Wayne ahead of Game and Dre (well in terms of actual rapping.) Game name-drops too much for me. Just because you keep talking about old-school gangsta doesn't mean you're the heir.

 

[35ft6]

I've been hearing and reading this, too, that he's the greatest right now.

I haven't listened to him enough to know, so he's not as instantly catchy as Tupac or Biggie. He's not even as catchy as DMX or ODB.

But I keep hearing that his lyrics are pretty good so I'd have to listen to a full album with headphones on to know.

 

[UW_Husky88]

I think I'd put Lil Wayne ahead of Game and Dre (well in terms of actual rapping.) Game name-drops too much for me. Just because you keep talking about old-school gangsta doesn't mean you're the heir.

You really put Weezy above Dre and the Game? Dre is I think a way underrated rapper. Listen to his verse in Natural Born Killaz with Ice Cube. The metaphors he drops are way better than Wayne. Example:

Dre:
"It's like a deadly game of freeze tag
I touch you with a 44 mag
And your frozen inside a body bag
Nobody iller
Than this graveyard filler
Cap peeler
Cause I'm a Natural Born Killa"

Lil Wayne:
"Man, I got Summer hating on me cause I'm hotter than the sun
Got Spring hating on me cause I ain't never sprung
Winter hating on me cause I'm colder than ya'll
And I would never, I would never, I would never Fall"

Now first off, notice I didn't pick a lame verse from Wayne (i.e. Lollipop). I picked a decent verse from I think one of his best songs by far, and even then it doesn't even compare to a typical dre verse. All he says is that he's hotter than the sun, colder than winter, etc. How creative. Literally, I could have made that kind of metaphor in second grade. The line after that is great I think, but still. What is considered to be top-notch Lil Wayne really isn't even that great, and far from creative.

And I think personally like the fact that The Game actually respects those before him (i.e. Game's Pain). Also, at least he picks a style and rolls with it and talks about different subjects. All Lil Wayne talks about how much money he has, how he claims to struggle about this and that setback, and or about his Daddy Birdman (who the hell is that anyway?). The Game does the typical gangster rap where he talks about how he's a blood, but he also talks about the streets (i.e. Westside Story), the corrupt industry (Wouldn't get Far), etc. And he writes his stuff instead of rearranging stuff from legends (check this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=yTFdOXCjuJo&feature=related)

I understand that it's typical of rap to claim you're the best ever (*cough* Jay-Z Dirt of Your Shoulder), but he does it to the point of excess, and it sickens me because he's not even that good. And you rarely here Nas, Eminem, Lupe ever make ostentatious claims like that, so I'm not sure if that statement is completely valid.

 

[tricky]

What is considered to be top-notch Lil Wayne really isn't even that great, and far from creative.

Personally, I hate Lil Wayne's flow a lot. But when he dials down the drawl and he freestyles, he can be really good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyVMgjdsaCI

Again, not a big fan and Weezy's obviously not GOAT. But he's good.

The Game does the typical gangster rap where he talks about how he's a blood, but he also talks about the streets (i.e. Westside Story), the corrupt industry (Wouldn't get Far), etc.

Yeah, but none of that is really new. His flow is clumsy; he's not that great or interesting with narrative detail, and he doesn't bring a lot of new insight. He benefits from great production, and his stories are credible. But he wouldn't have made it in the actual hey day of gangsta rap.

And you rarely here Nas, Eminem, Lupe ever make ostentatious claims like that, so I'm not sure if that statement is completely valid.

Well when people call you "Rakim's Son" before you drop your first album, you already have a lot to live up to.

Lupe would never call himself greatest because he worships Nas too much. I think Kanye would learn that a little, actually.

Em's kinda stuck because of the race thing. His work has slipped a lot, and he kinda blows as a producer, but the lyrics on his first 2 records were original in content and were creative with cadence and the internal rhyming (sometimes too much though.) Even when his Renegade verse shows up Jay's, he has to defer. And I love Jay.

 

[Hot Sauce]

A true wigger in that video.

 

[carazymcmahon]

Dang, tricky's posts are always so...

good.

Its a different style but Blue Scholars are up and coming. give a listen

 

[looseswing]

I agree with everyone who is saying that lil wayne isnt the top of the game. I just recently started listening to him (my girlfriend is a huge fan) and i must say i just dont see that much that is really attractive in his voice. I mean i have read certain excerpts from his lyrics and they are slightly catchy and he is a very good freestyler, but other artists aka nas and lupe and kanye are much better.

 

[Rick_Olson]

I used to listen to Big Daddy Kane, LL Cool J, Diabolical Biz Markie, & etc...so...I'm an oldster. =8^)

I listen to all types of music: Classical, Hard Rock, Soft Rock, R&B...got a thing for the sixties sounds of Sergio Mendes...just a minute ago.

Something he said, in the last minute and a half really caught my ..attention: Don't give up your dreams, in effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TLmpL2AzLs
^^--with that in mind--^^

 

[FreshStew]

Those are some extremely reliable sources. Thank goodness those are the only music and entertainment sources I use to make my decisions...and he may very well be the best out there right now. Of course, with the music people put out these days, that's not saying much.

Lupe, Game, and Papoose are much better.

I haven't bought any of their albums except for The Cool but I think Wayne is trash

 

[FreshStew]

Oh and what happened to Game's voice?????

 

[UW_Husky88]

Oh and what happened to Game's voice?????

what do you mean? Do you mean where is he, because if you do, his new album is dropping soon (L.A.X.), but if you mean something about his actual voice is weird, I have no clue what you're talking about lol.

 

[ClubHoUno]

Who the FU_ck is 'Lil Wayne :lol:

He can't rap and is certainly not even close to being raked in the top league of GOAT rappers. Hey, I'm also among the best rappers in the world - do you now think I'm GOAT of rappers.....no you don't.

Lil Wayne suckXxxxxxxxxx

 

[VAmazona]

If you start your rap with "My name is...and I am here to say..." you MUST not comment!

 

[BkK_b0y14]

Yeah seriously I don't get all the hype about Lil Wayne, his voice is so...gay. Plus he's a swagga jacka

 

[BeHappy]

Is rap even music?I mean they aren't even rapping notes or chords like the much derided Vanilla Ice, so is there a melody or are they just talking over a backing track?

 

[UW_Husky88]

Is rap even music?I mean they aren't even rapping notes or chords like the much derided Vanilla Ice, so is there a melody or are they just talking over a backing track?

Finally! I was waiting for someone for either a Lil' Wayne fanatic to tell us how great his flow is or for someone to use some ridiculous excuse for rap to talk about how useless rap is as music.

First off, here's what is defined as music: "an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color." That is straight out of the dictionary. I don't see any rules within said definition that hip-hop violates. Perhaps when you think of sound, you only think of a stereotypical guitar or drums, but one's voice (which is used when one is merely "talking") is a sound nonetheless, thus hip-hop qualifies. Does hip-hop have rhythm? Hell yes. That's what flow, etc. Melody is defined as "intonation, as of a segment of connected speech", which hip-hop obviously follows, and there is emotion in the lyrics, which can range from something as stupid as how a rapper feels about their hoes (read today's music), the streets, etc. So I don't see how hip-hop doesn't qualify as music just because it isn't the typical type of music you are used to where people sing. It irritates me so much when people say rap is just talking. If it's so easy, I'd really like to see someone try and freestyle to a beat or make a rap song. Even if you come up with the lyrics, doing it to a beat with a flow is a whole other task.

/rant

 

[BeHappy]

Finally! I was waiting for someone for either a Lil' Wayne fanatic to tell us how great his flow is or for someone to use some ridiculous excuse for rap to talk about how useless rap is as music.

First off, here's what is defined as music: "an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color." That is straight out of the dictionary. I don't see any rules within said definition that hip-hop violates. Perhaps when you think of sound, you only think of a stereotypical guitar or drums, but one's voice (which is used when one is merely "talking") is a sound nonetheless, thus hip-hop qualifies. Does hip-hop have rhythm? Hell yes. That's what flow, etc. Melody is defined as "intonation, as of a segment of connected speech", which hip-hop obviously follows, and there is emotion in the lyrics, which can range from something as stupid as how a rapper feels about their hoes (read today's music), the streets, etc. So I don't see how hip-hop doesn't qualify as music just because it isn't the typical type of music you are used to where people sing. It irritates me so much when people say rap is just talking. If it's so easy, I'd really like to see someone try and freestyle to a beat or make a rap song. Even if you come up with the lyrics, doing it to a beat with a flow is a whole other task.

/rant

melody is a series of notes: a through g#, with varying intervals.They can be combined to make harmony and chords.

You might like the sounds James Earl Jones's voice for example, but that doesn't make it music.

That definition is wrong.


I'm not pis$ing on rap BTW, I don't know who Lil wayne is, I just think it is more poetry than music at this point.

 

[tricky]

For some people, Autechre isn't music; it's just math programmed into a sequencer. For other people, rap isn't music; it's just somebody yapping over somebody else's work. And, then, for others, rock and roll ain't music; it's just too damn loud.

Really, music is about the listener. And this is what R said about melody in rap . . .

Puttin blurs and slurs and words that don’t fit
In a rhyme, why waste time on the microphone
I take this more serious than just a poem
Rocking party to party, backyard to yard
Now tear it up, y’all, and bless the mic for the gods

 

[iradical18]

I can't stand wayne. I'll take Del, Dizzy Rascal, Ghostface, or GZA anyday.

 

[McNasty911]

K so I finally listened to tha carter 3, and I still don't see why people are suddenly thinking he's the G.O.A.T or even best alive of rap. As a hip-hop purist, I think it's pretty much offensive to greats such as Tupac, Notorious B.I.G., Nas, Big L, etc. that this overly hyped, overly commercial rapper is being deemed the greatest just b/c of his sales and b/c people don't know good music.

Now before I get flamed, especially for that last sentence, I want to give him some props: Compared to most of the garbage out these days, he's got skills. He's got a good flow, and I must admit after listening to Mr. Carter (esp the first verse) and A Milli that he's seperated him self slightly from the competition. He is pretty catchy too.

But seriously, in the lollipop remix, Kanye's verse killed him, and on half of his songs, his guests destroy him, so why do people still consider him to be so great? I just want to know b/c although I'll admit he's talented, I don't see how this dude who sounds like he's dying when he rhymes and steals verses from greats is considered to be the best of all-time when Nas, Jay-Z, Eminem, Dr. Dre, etc. would murder him.

Dang dude i feel u. I think ppl love him so much cause he like get at/blazes/burnes ppl in his songs. And says stuff that sounds kinda sweet.

For example:

"the only time i will depend is when im like 70 years old, thats when i can hold my s**t within so i s**t on myself cause im so sick and tired of s**tin on everybody else.

Alot of the more ghetto white ppl eat that stuff up.

He not a real lyricist like Jay-Z, Kanye, Mos Def, Tupac, Common. His songs dont have a real deep meaning it just sounds cool.

Hes not the best rapper alive.

But Tha Carter III is tight tho.