Amateur USTA 5.0 male VS WTA 300

[Deleted member 771407]

The gap between rec players and pro players is massive. The only people who can win against the wta pros are the top d1 players and higher (ITF, ATP guys), but they are basically challenger level players fwiw. Guys like axel geller, daniel cuckierman, brandon holt etc. My money will always be on the pros in WTA vs rec males.

Nope, depends on the pro and the rec player. This guy is like 4.5 and the girl is top 300. A top 1000 female would most likely get beaten badly by a 5.5 (in singles). Just look at the utr or simply the level of play. Top d1 players can win against the top 10, not just the top 300.

 

[cha cha]

I am by no means a fantastic player but I can hold my own in my local 5.0 league.
Having hit with some of Czech better female professional women, I am positive I would get destroyed in a competitive match.

 

[am1899]

A top 1000 female would most likely get beaten badly by a 5.5 (in singles).

No.

 

[Deleted member 771407]

No.

lol. A top 1000 is not even a pro.
Also, yes.

 

[Deleted member 771407]

No.

Imagine if she played a 5.5 male lol

 

[am1899]

Imagine if she played a 5.5 male lol

I don’t have to imagine. It would be a close match.

 

[snoflewis]

the disrespect to the women's game on these forums is just sad. the same guy that complains he's stuck at 3.5 forever also thinks he can ace Serena.

 

[Deleted member 771407]

the disrespect to the women's game on these forums is just sad. the same guy that complains he's stuck at 3.5 forever also thinks he can ace Serena.

What direspect ? I only think that there is a better than 50% chance of winning one single point against a top pro (female OR MALE) over a 2 set match simply by bashing every ball including the serve and the return. There is a decent chance that they will miss one ball. Doesn't say anything about skill level, just the fact that tennis is a percentage game and winning one random point doesn't mean ****.

Stupid strawmen. I have a lot of respect for top WTA players, and Serena in particular. So you can crawl back to your troll cave.
I also expected a bagel from this match (I voted 1 or 2 games to be nice). Top 300 WTA is serious business.

 

[snoflewis]

What direspect ? I only think that there is a better than 50% chance of winning one single point against a top pro (female OR MALE) over a 2 set match simply by bashing every ball including the serve and the return. There is a decent chance that they will miss one ball. Doesn't say anything about skill level, just the fact that tennis is a percentage game and winning one random point doesn't mean ****.

Stupid strawmen. I have a lot of respect for top WTA players, and Serena in particular. So you can crawl back to your troll cave.

i must be trolling because i fail to see that possibility. against a 3.5, i'll take the top pro on either side for a golden match, and that's assuming 50% effort. however, i admire the confidence in thinking you can "bash" the return of a pro serve though.

 

[snoflewis]

That's your opinion. You have never seen me try to bash the ball. If your only goal in a tennis match is to win just one point you will play differently.
Golden matches happen because people play to win games or sets, not just one point. Going for first serves all the time and drop shots/very low percentage shots you'll statistically win one point at some point, regardless of the level of your opponent.
Can Serena or Federer get to a framed return that hits the net cord and drops ? This is called CHANCE, it has nothing to do with my skill level or my confidence.
Idiot.

i can't be the only one that finds this hilarious. thanks for the laughs guy.

 

[Deleted member 771407]

i can't be the only one that finds this hilarious. thanks for the laughs guy.

You're welcome guy

 

[Deleted member 771407]

i can't be the only one that finds this hilarious. thanks for the laughs guy.

The guy in the OP won multiple points against a top 300 woman. She made mistakes and he hit some lucky shots. He has no strong weapon and and was trying to win games, not go for crazy shots. Winning a point is easy in tennis, if that's your only goal. If you can't see this and have to make it personnal you're just a troll indeed.

 

[mad dog1]

You have never seen me try to bash the ball.

Yes, we have all seen the video of you moping around on the court playing your friend trying to bash the ball only to frame and shank it instead. If you have trouble reading your friend’s powder puff rec serve, you have no chance in returning a single pro serve.

 

[mad dog1]

The guy in the OP won multiple points against a top 300 woman. She made mistakes and he hit some lucky shots. He has no strong weapon and and was trying to win games, not go for crazy shots. Winning a point is easy in tennis, if that's your only goal. If you can't see this and have to make it personnal you're just a troll indeed.

She was barely trying. If she was trying, he wouldn’t have won a single point.

 

[Deleted member 771407]

Yes, we have all seen the video of you moping around on the court playing your friend trying to bash the ball only to frame and shank it instead. If you have trouble reading your friend’s powder puff rec serve, you have no chance in returning a single pro serve.

Nope that's me trying to hit conservative shots
Bashing the ball like an idiot you are bound to have luck at some point.

I agree I might not return a single serve (again, I might still get lucky, I have played bigger servers than this guy, don't act like you know everything because you have seen one video ), but that leaves plenty of my own serves to throw the dice.

But yeah, sure, Top pros never make a mistake. Only top 300 pros. Duly noted.
I'll take a little break from this forum and its toxicity. Have fun.

 

[Deleted member 771407]

She was barely trying. If she was trying, he wouldn’t have won a single point.

If she was trying she would have made 0 mistake, of course. Great argument.

 

[mad dog1]

Nope that's me trying to hit conservative shots
Bashing the ball like an idiot you are bound to have luck at some point.

I agree I might not return a single serve (again, I might still get lucky, I have played bigger servers than this guy, don't act like you know everything because you have seen one video ), but that leaves plenty of my own serves to throw the dice.

But yeah, sure, Top pros never make a mistake. Only top 300 pros. Duly noted.
I'll take a little break from this forum and its toxicity. Have fun.

Buh bye!

 

[mad dog1]

50 year old professional troll making this forum a cesspit since decades, am I right ? Get a life.

Didn’t you say you were leaving? Be careful not to let the door smack you on your way out.

 

[snoflewis]

The guy in the OP won multiple points against a top 300 woman. She made mistakes and he hit some lucky shots. He has no strong weapon and and was trying to win games, not go for crazy shots. Winning a point is easy in tennis, if that's your only goal. If you can't see this and have to make it personnal you're just a troll indeed.

i fail to see how it was personal. if i wanted to single you out, i would have tagged or quoted you. i used an example, and it brought you out of the ashes. i haven't made a single comment about your tennis or resorted to name calling as you did, so what was so personal?

 

[myke232]

He's more like 4.5 at best...

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

Alexa Glatch, now in her early 30s, is a bit past her prime. She peaked around 2009 -- just outside the WTA top 100 for singles and just inside the top 100 for doubles.

I saw her play at the USTA Girls 18s National Championships in 2005 (at AVAC in San Jose, CA). I believe she was top seed that year but lost in the finals of those championships. However, she did win the doubles at those championships with her partner, Vania King.

Stanford University and numerous other schools were there to recruit the top girls. However, I believe that Alexa decided to turn pro instead that year.

Given her top level of play a little more than a decade ago it's no surprise that she took down a 5.0 ntrp level male so readily. A top Div I collegiate male could likely best her but a Div II or a 5.5 guy would have their hands full.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

@SoZ

I was curious about the player who beat Alexa Glatch in the finals at the Girls 18s in 2005 at AVAC (SJ). It was Mary Gambale (who is not much older than Alexa). It looks like both she and Alexa got WC entries into the US Open that year (because of their finishes in the 18s). Mary lost in the first round whereas Alexa reached 2R that year.

At 5'4", Mary G was pretty short for pro tennis. Unlike Alexa, she never quite made it into the top 200. Doesn't look like she played any collegiate tennis either but did play on the WTA tour for a few years. Posted wins over Melanie Oudin and Brenda Schultz-McCarthy. However, by 2009 her ranking dropped to about 700. Not sure if she continued after that. However I did come across a 2016 article about her exploits in Platform Tennis. It appears that she was doing fairly well in that sport.

 

[SoZ]

@SoZ

I was curious about the player who beat Alexa Glatch in the finals at the Girls 18s in 2005 at AVAC (SJ). It was Mary Gambale. It looks like both she and Alexa got WC entries into the US Open that year (because of their finishes in the 18s). Mary lost in the first round whereas Alexa reached 2R that year.

At 5'4", Mary G was pretty short for pro tennis. Unlike Alexa, she never quite made it into the top 200. Doesn't look like she played any collegiate tennis either but did play on the WTA tour for a few years. Posted wins over Melanie Oudin and Brenda Schultz-McCarthy. However, by 2009 her ranking drop to about 700. Not sure if she continued after that. However I did come across a 2016 article about her exploits in Platform Tennis. It appears that she was doing fairly well in that sport.

Her injuries put a heavy toll on her, especially the accident while scooter riding when she was 16yo.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

Her injuries put a heavy toll on her, especially the accident while scooter riding when she was 16yo.

Are you from Massachusetts? Surprised someone would know that much about Mary G. She might have been 16 when she won the 18s in 2005 at San Jose. Was that scooter mishap before or after that event?

 

[SoZ]

Are you from Massachusetts? Surprised someone would know that much about Mary G. She might have been 16 when she won the 18s in 2005 at San Jose. Was that scooter mishap before or after that event?

@SoZ

Sorry a little confused here. Alexa had the accident at 16.

 

[Fxanimator1]

To be fair I don't think anyone thought that.

ETA: actually maybe I need to take that back after re-reading the entire thread.

Then you haven't been on TTW very long!
This thread is only one of many claiming this.

 

[mad dog1]

Are you from Massachusetts? Surprised someone would know that much about Mary G. She might have been 16 when she won the 18s in 2005 at San Jose. Was that scooter mishap before or after that event?

@SoZ

looks like the accident occurred in Nov 2005.
https://www.espn.com/sports/tennis/french09/columns/story?columnist=ford_bonnie_d&id=4209825

Sorry a little confused here. Alexa had the accident at 16.

wow. that accident indeed had a major affect on her career. left her with a broken right wrist and broken left elbow! awful.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

Sorry a little confused here. Alexa had the accident at 16.

Ok. You had replied to a post that was primarily about Mary Gambale so I had assumed you were talking about her.

I believe that Alexa was late in her 15th year or had just turned 16 when she played that 18s Championships in 2005. So the scooter mishap probably came after that. The other injuries you referenced came later than that, I assume.

EDIT: @mad dog1, just saw your post above after I posted this. So the timeline I suggested makes sense in light of that ESPN article. I believe the 18s event at AVAC took place in Aug or Sept of 2005.

 

[mad dog1]

Anyone else think it’s so cool that Alexa goes out to the local courts and mixes it up with the rec players?

 

[SoZ]

Anyone else think it’s so cool that Alexa goes out to the local courts and mixes it up with the rec players?

It is awesome She also played games or tiebreakers with another 6~7 4.0 to 5.0 players too.

 

[mad dog1]

It is awesome She also played games or tiebreakers with another 6~7 4.0 to 5.0 players too.

Saw those videos! They were fun. Thanks for posting.

 

[ChaelAZ]

It is awesome She also played games or tiebreakers with another 6~7 4.0 to 5.0 players too.

Every year when they have the Pro Women's tournament in AZ the players were always nice enough to play social matches, hit with the juniors, and practice with many of us around the facility. My son was able to practice and hit with them quite a bit. Not to mention many stayed with us as host families during the time too.

And then just getting to watch the likes of Kennin, Dolehife, Gorgi, Buschard, Andresscu, etc. practicing. Missing that even right now. Such amazing athletes.

 

[SoZ]

Every year when they have the Pro Women's tournament in AZ the players were always nice enough to play social matches, hit with the juniors, and practice with many of us around the facility. My son was able to practice and hit with them quite a bit. Not to mention many stayed with us as host families during the time too.

And then just getting to watch the likes of Kennin, Dolehife, Gorgi, Buschard, Andresscu, etc. practicing. Missing that even right now. Such amazing athletes.

I need to relocate to AZ.

 

[jmnk]

Playing against pro or good D1 for an amateur is A good eye-opening experience. As a 4.0+, I have recently got a D1 hitting partner and I was happy to just A points Below is a video have I got crushed.

@SoZ - very good effort, and I really mean it. If I may ask - what is your actual NTRP or UTR ranking?

 

[jmnk]

The guy in the OP won multiple points against a top 300 woman. She made mistakes and he hit some lucky shots. He has no strong weapon and and was trying to win games, not go for crazy shots. Winning a point is easy in tennis, if that's your only goal. If you can't see this and have to make it personnal you're just a troll indeed.

he has no weapon?? He serves really well, he is fast as heck, very quick, excellent net game, very solid from either side. What else would expect from a recreational player? sure, it was still no match for WTA woman - but so what?

 

[SoZ]

@SoZ - very good effort, and I really mean it. If I may ask - what is your actual NTRP or UTR ranking?

Thanks. We don't have USTA league here and the closest UTR event for me is around 2hour one way so I don't have official ratings. I thought I was solid 4.0 previously and trying to getting close to 4.5 last year. Recently I think I may have broken into 4.5 level.

 

[mad dog1]

@SoZ - very good effort, and I really mean it. If I may ask - what is your actual NTRP or UTR ranking?

OP is not Eric. OP is a 4.0.

 

[jmnk]

OP is not Eric. OP is a 4.0.

yes, I know OP is not Eric. I was asking about OP's ranking since he stated he is 4.0+ so I wanted to know exactly what '4.0+' means.

 

[blablavla]

What direspect ? I only think that there is a better than 50% chance of winning one single point against a top pro (female OR MALE) over a 2 set match simply by bashing every ball including the serve and the return. There is a decent chance that they will miss one ball.

let's start with return.
you can try to bash, but chances are that you'll be bashing all into the fence, or the net cord.
their serve will come at a pace that will probably be too much for you.
in case if the pace won't be too much for you, you need to consider the disguise as well, placement and spin. quite likely you never faced anything alike, so good luck with bashing

serve.
there are plenty of videos there, how amateurs utterly fail in bashing serve + 1 against D1 level players, or alike. and D1 level is an universe far away from pro.
unless you will ace them, with every next shot the probability of you winning the point will dramatically go down.
why? because your highest pace is something they have seen, and quite likely it will be just a neutral ball for them.
but their neutral ball will be quite heavy for you
unless you are a D1 level, or a pro by yourself

 

[PKorda]

he has no weapon?? He serves really well, he is fast as heck, very quick, excellent net game, very solid from either side. What else would expect from a recreational player? sure, it was still no match for WTA woman - but so what?

Relatively speaking in that match he had no weapons. Now if he played someone at his level could perhaps argue differently.

 

[jmnk]

Relatively speaking in that match he had no weapons. Now if he played someone at his level could perhaps argue differently.

isn't that the entire point? That in 5.0 vs WTA 300 match no 5.0 player has any relative weapons?
But that is not the point @Gael4 was making - he was implying that a different 5.0 player that 'has some weapons' would do way better in that match.

 

[PKorda]

isn't that the entire point? That in 5.0 vs WTA 300 match no 5.0 player has any relative weapons?
But that is not the point @Gael4 was making - he was implying that a different 5.0 player that 'has some weapons' would do way better in that match.

No I don’t think so. I think a quality 5.0 could have some weapons.

 

[mad dog1]

No I don’t think so. I think a quality 5.0 could have some weapons.

A strong 5.0 could win a few more points but it still wouldn’t be close.

 

[ZanderGoga]

he has no weapon?? He serves really well, he is fast as heck, very quick, excellent net game, very solid from either side. What else would expect from a recreational player? sure, it was still no match for WTA woman - but so what?

I would not say any of those things were true about that guy. Now, some of that comes down to how he looked when outmatched by his opponent. But that wasn't a serve that was anywhere near being a weapon in 4.0 tennis or above, and she couldn't do anything to affect that.

 

[SoZ]

I posted the video that how Alexa beats a bunch of other NTRP 3.5~5.0s after her match vs Eric.

 

[HuusHould]

One of my hitting partners played a WTA player in the 300 bracket about 6 years ago and won like 6/4 7/5 the first time and lost 6/1 6/0 the second time. He has some pretty decent weapons though. I think he just has to be super aggressive and hope for the best. I remember Jim Courier talking about lower ranked players playing the big 3/4, he said that "you only have to look at how rarely these guys lose before the semi (American pronunciation) finals, to realise that you can't just go out there and be yourself, you have to play above yourself, that may mean losing in a flurry of unforced errors, but at least you've given yourself a chance to win the match....." The only players that are a chance of an upset are the ones who can go big when they need to and I guess someone like Ferrer, but he's generally relying on them having a rare off day. I mean Djokovic made 100 unforced errors against Simon at the AO and still won in 5.
So flattening out at the first opportunity, going big on the 2nd ball, teeing off on the return of serve, rushing the net etc Being passive you might have some good rallies, but you're just delaying the inevitable.

 

[Friedman Whip]

OK, here is the match video. The 5.0 guy has no chance. He is more of a double's player instead of singles. Not a typical 5.0 guy that has college or high school varsity tennis backgroud.

Around here I don't think there are any 5.0 players who didn't play college tennis.

 

[SoZ]

Around here I don't think there are any 5.0 players who didn't play college tennis.

I agree. The 5.0 guy started playing park tennis at 33 and made to 5.0 is pretty impressive to me

 

[Znak]

The frailty of some your egos that you really believe a 4.5-5.5 male could beat a professional WTA player simply because she's a woman is astounding.

 

[mad dog1]

I posted the video that how Alexa beats a bunch of other NTRP 3.5~5.0s after her match vs Eric.

That’s awesome! Looks like everyone had a blast.