Analysis of Federer vs. Ginepri

[AngleMaster]

At first glance, you would think whoever Federer is playing is ready to be taught a lesson, but I think it will be different with Ginepri, and this is why:

Let's compare the games:
Federer - all-around (no weaknesses)
Ginepri - grinder (serve and volley are weaknesses)

Who has the edge on each shot:
Forehand: Despite this shot being one of Ginepri's weapons, the edge goes to Federer.

Backhand: I'll give this to Ginepri

Speed/Footwork: Ginepri

Serve: Federer

Return of serve: Ginepri

Volley: Federer

Fitness: Ginepri

Match-fit: Ginepri

Mentality: Federer

I'm thinking of an upset and hopefully Ginepri proves me right. Ginepri is just in shape, and match-fit especially. On the other hand, Federer is not. Ginepri already recorded an upset over Roddick, Moya, and Safin and this will be another step up. All players were in the same situation as Federer fitness wise. The grinder in Nadal won in Montreal and I have a feeling here comes another one. I hear some say that other surfaces are trying to copy clay, and I guess your observations are being backed up by facts.

 

[daniel_rst]

Weclome to TT. Wow, this really looks like something our old friend TwistServe would have posted.

I agree with you except that everything you gave to Ginepri should actually go to Federer. I especially enjoyed the fact that you think Ginepri has better speed/footwork than Federer, a better backhand, and a better return of server.

 

[Docalex007]

First of all I strongly disagree with your statement regarding fitness and speed/footwork. Federer i believe moves around with much better efficiency than Ginepri. And its this efficiency that counts. Federer has not been away that long, so I also believe he is more match-fit.

Federer is not in shape? Get outta here man. You must be a hardcore Ginepri fan.

 

[Marius_Hancu]

Fitness: Ginepri
Match-fit: Ginepri
perhaps

you are way off in the others, IMO.
but we'll see tomorrow.

 

[AngleMaster]

Weclome to TT. Wow, this really looks like something our old friend TwistServe would have posted.

I agree with you except that everything you gave to Ginepri should actually go to Federer. I especially enjoyed the fact that you think Ginepri has better speed/footwork than Federer, a better backhand, and a better return of server.

We must be watching a different Ginepri. The Ginepri I know is super fast and his fitness has shown during this hard court stretch. I give the backhand edge to Ginepri because though Federer's would be more of the weapon, a two-handed vs. one-handed exchange favors the two-hander, case and point Nadal vs. Federer. To think it over, I do think that even if Ginepri is a solid returner, Federer will have a much easier time breaking Ginepri, than vice-versa.

I've been reading around the boards that Federer is not in his best form and I attribute this to just coming back from an injury.

Thanks for the welcome, and I am a new turned fan of Ginepri. When I saw him play Roddick, I love how he's a true practitioner of hitting angles/to the corners.

 

[Marius_Hancu]

Nadal won in Montreal, but he's two ranges above Ginepri.

 

[gugafanatic]

Nadal won in Montreal, but he's two ranges above Ginepri.

Ginepri's problem is his inconistency and ability to regroup in matches when in trouble. Nadal has the fighting spirit and ability to make you play an extra ball, whereas Ginepri will simply crank up the pace on his forehand and committ more UE.

I must say that his serve is vastly improved. His serve is similar in technique to Roddick and he can blast aces all day.

 

[AngleMaster]

Ginepri's problem is his inconistency and ability to regroup in matches when in trouble. Nadal has the fighting spirit and ability to make you play an extra ball, whereas Ginepri will simply crank up the pace on his forehand and committ more UE.

I must say that his serve is vastly improved. His serve is similar in technique to Roddick and he can blast aces all day.

Yea, that's what I noticed, but at the moment, he seems to have put that all behind him.

I agree that Ginepri hits an ace now and again, but last time I saw him play Roddick, he is no ace machine compared to Roddick. His serve is also pinpoint while Roddick's is a platform-pinpoint hybrid. If any part of Ginepri's game is similar to Roddick's, Ginepri's backhand resembles Roddick distinctly.

 

[FiveO]

Welcome AngleMaster. Bold statement first time out of the box. I like it. The boldness that is, not necessarily the analysis and prediction themselves.

Good Luck.

 

[gts072]

You're crazy in your analysis, AngleMaster. You must be kidding, giving any of the edges to Ginepri. Federer is the number player in the world. Did you forget that? He is easily leaps and bounds beyond Ginepri in terms of skill. Federer will beat him in two convincing sets. Care to wager?

You're not TS in disguise are you?...

 

[Marius_Hancu]

I must say that his serve is vastly improved. His serve is similar in technique to Roddick and he can blast aces all day.

here you might be right. have seen him only in a match lately.

 

[fastdunn]

Federer is an astute mover with unreal anticipation.
He seems to know where his opponent is going to fire.
For example, when his opponent does overhead smash,
he seems to pick the right side lot of times ! and return some of them !
It appears to be totally uncanny sometimes.

Anyway, only way for Ginepri to have any kind of chance,
is to somehow neutralize Federer's baseline game and
frustrate Federer early on. Federer is talented like a super-human
but when his baseline game is neutralized (like Nadal does)
he becomes not so confident, IMHO....

 

[tennisjunkiela]

I'm praying for a Ginepri upset and a breakthrough for this talent fellow but I think he's going to need more than my prayers!!!

 

[finchy]

I give the backhand edge to Ginepri because though Federer's would be more of the weapon, a two-handed vs. one-handed exchange favors the two-hander, case and point Nadal vs. Federer.

what are you talking about? nadal is a lefty and barely ever rallies backhand to backhand with federer.

 

[iscottius]

analysis of fed & ginepri:

ginepri's gonna get spanked like a biatch

 

[Xevoius]

I painfully second that iscottius, however I would love to see an upset.

 

[FedererUberAlles]

6-1 6-0

 

[All Court]

Well, I wouldn't say 6-0, 6-1, since Ginepri's having his streak right now...

But I think the streak is about to end.

Federer's backhand is wonderful. Angle, I don't think you've really seen him in a match with hit. He cranks out the angles all day (better than Ginepri, and according to your sig, an angle master ) with it, and can drive it as well.

Federer is a much better mover, as well. Have you seen him? It's possible Ginepri has more raw speed, but in terms of efficiency and clean, gliding footwork...Federer is way, way above him.

Kiefer had a much better chance than Ginepri did.

It's possible there will be an upset, if Federer has a huge off day...but here, you're giving Ginepri too much credit. If it provides a good match though...I hope you're right, I wouldn't mind an upset too much at all.

 

[FedererUberAlles]

I was joking, hence "."

 

[All Court]

My bad!

But honestly, when you compare Ginepri and Federer, those results might not be so far off. It was hard to tell.

 

[uNIVERSE mAN]

At first glance, you would think whoever Federer is playing is ready to be taught a lesson, but I think it will be different with Ginepri, and this is why:

Let's compare the games:
Federer - all-around (no weaknesses)
Ginepri - grinder (serve and volley are weaknesses)

Who has the edge on each shot:
Forehand: Despite this shot being one of Ginepri's weapons, the edge goes to Federer.

Backhand: I'll give this to Ginepri

Speed/Footwork: Ginepri

Serve: Federer

Return of serve: Ginepri

Volley: Federer

Fitness: Ginepri

Match-fit: Ginepri

Mentality: Federer

I'm thinking of an upset and hopefully Ginepri proves me right. Ginepri is just in shape, and match-fit especially. On the other hand, Federer is not. Ginepri already recorded an upset over Roddick, Moya, and Safin and this will be another step up. All players were in the same situation as Federer fitness wise. The grinder in Nadal won in Montreal and I have a feeling here comes another one. I hear some say that other surfaces are trying to copy clay, and I guess your observations are being backed up by facts.

If he's got all these edges, why the hell is he losing to Roddick/Hewitt all the time? And his career record is 81-78 which is crap.

 

[arosen]

Ginepri is just another one of those guys that make one think " ah, this guy is hitting well, he may be good enough to give Fed trouble", but somehow comes the matchtime the only thing that comes to mind is "whaddafunk was I thinking, Fed is killing this guy".

 

[VamosRafa]

I don't see Fed losing this match.

 

[AngleMaster]

I think this is Ginepri's time to break out. I mean who would have expected he's done what he's done so far this summer. I just think that fitness and match-fitness will make the difference in this match. At the moment, Ginepri has worked extremely hard to get his body and game together and it's been paying off. Saying Ginepri beating Federer may be a stretch no matter what kind of form Ginepri's in, but there is more hope than many make there out to be for Ginepri, as long as he lives up to the best I've seen of him.

We'll just have to wait and see... but please don't flame me if my bold prediction goes awry.

 

[andfor]

Welcome back Twist Serve.

 

[AngleMaster]

Welcome back Twist Serve.

If I remember correctly watching from the outskirts, TwistServe's predictions were more to stir up and his predictions did not have much to back them up. I really think that Ginepri has a better chance of beating Federer, than I think one of TwistServe's prediction on Roddick beating Federer in the Wimbledon final.

 

[FedererUberAlles]

So obviously you are an old forumer coming back on a new name. Hmmmm.

 

[AngleMaster]

So obviously you are an old forumer coming back on a new name. Hmmmm.

Obviously, you're a little immature kid. Did you not know you can read around these boards without being a member? I bet that is what many current forumers did before deciding to join. Apparently, you are an exception.

Thanks for going way off topic. You should be honored to know you are the first to go on my ignore list.

 

[FedererUberAlles]

How pathetic, putting people on one's ignore list. I hardly even said anything, let alone anything offensive, and you are whining about it. Also, I just love how ironic you are; you denounce my assumptions and then you proceed to make several assumptions.

 

[AngleMaster]

How pathetic, putting people on one's ignore list. I hardly even said anything, let alone anything offensive, and you are whining about it. Also, I just love how ironic you are; you denounce my assumptions and then you proceed to make several assumptions.

Let's call this the 'last straw'. From the posts I have read from you so far, I see no use to read posts from you, and putting you on my ignore list now will prevent me from getting in an argument with you at a later time since it seems that is what this is.

Let me guess, your assumptions are false, while mine are true.

Have fun doing whatever you do on these boards, FedederUberAlles. Good thing I won't have to hear your less than entertaining jokes and useless posts about me being an old forumer. I hope this gives you something to think about, hmmm...

 

[DashaandSafin]

Wow....um...
You might not want to put people on the "ignore" list.
Tw had a whole heated debate about that and people thought that you cant accept other people's opinions when your on the ignore list.
For example, Susan can't take my view on Rafael Nadal so what does she do? She ignores me even though i have perfectly valid points.

 

[FedererUberAlles]

Let's call this the 'last straw'. From the posts I have read from you so far, I see no use to read posts from you, and putting you on my ignore list now will prevent me from getting in an argument with you at a later time since it seems that is what this is.

Let me guess, your assumptions are false, while mine are true.

Have fun doing whatever you do on these boards, FedederUberAlles. Good thing I won't have to hear your less than entertaining jokes and useless posts about me being an old forumer. I hope this gives you something to think about, hmmm...

Another ironic post...

Why are you so offended? Holy crap, you act like I just actually said some things that were actually demeaning. Well, I guess your ignore list will be filled up pretty quickly. Especially when you get into an argument with someone like Phil or Deuce and get smoked.

 

[DashaandSafin]

Or Datacipher....
DATACIPHER WHERE ARE YOU?
I remeber getting into heated debates with phil and data....
before my other Psuedyo RoddickSafin got banned...

 

[FedererUberAlles]

HAHHAHA! You might not want to say that your other name got banned....

 

[AngleMaster]

Another ironic post...

Why are you so offended? Holy crap, you act like I just actually said some things that were actually demeaning. Well, I guess your ignore list will be filled up pretty quickly. Especially when you get into an argument with someone like Phil or Deuce and get smoked.

Alright, I understand, you are not on my ignore list. Could I just ask you to please refrain from comments such as the ones you made in this thread?

From the posts I read from Phil and Deuce, they seem to be very insightful, and keeping with the topic presented.

 

[FedererUberAlles]

Sorry, I couldn't resist but think you were another forumer coming back as a "smurf."

 

[DashaandSafin]

I have no reason that my other name got banned. Seriously though..there was really no justification. Maybe the TW boards people thought i was trolling? I was really just arguing aginst thier points.
Oh yea AngleMaster you might want to read more of Phil's and Deuce's posts...most of it is just attacking other posters for thier "idiocy" or something.

 

[Jack the Hack]

We all know who'll be in the finals.. My feeling is that Federer will be extremely nervous because he doesn't want to lose to an 18yr kid again! If Gasquet plays well I don't think he can be stopped. His backhand is stronger then federer's and I'd take a stab and say his forehand is stronger too!

My take on who has advantage:

Gasquet:
+ Backhand
+ Forehand
+ Return of serve
+ Dropshots
+ Surprise element
- Mental game
- Inexperience

Federer:
+ Movement
+ Mental toughness

Even:
- net game
- serve

So this was the "analysis" that TwistServe posted before the Federer vs. Gasquet final in Hamburg back in May. You have to admit that it looks very similar to the way that AngleMaster has under-estimated Federer's abilities with his analysis.

Despite all of the "advantages" that Gasquet supposedly had, Federer ended up beating him in straight sets in Hamburg. Ginepri is no Gasquet... and at least Gasquet had a win over Federer before the Hamburg final.

The only previous meeting between Federer and Ginepri was in the 2001 US Open, and Fed won in straight sets. Also, Federer has a 62-3 record on the year, and Ginepri is 24-16, which shows how they are in different classes. Therefore, it is easy to predict another Federer win...

Irregardless, none of this debate really matters as we'll just see what happens in a few hours...

 

[AngleMaster]

The only previous meeting between Federer and Ginepri was in the 2001 US Open, and Fed won in straight sets. Also, Federer has a 62-3 record on the year, and Ginepri is 24-16, which shows how they are in different classes. Therefore, it is easy to predict another Federer win...

Irregardless, none of this debate really matters as we'll just see what happens in a few hours...

We all know things can change in a heart beat, and it has shown for what Ginepri has accomplished on his home courts during this summer. Despite losses the past two tournaments, Ginepri has maintained appearances in the R16 or better. I don't believe you can fully base a Federer win on what happened in 2001 or past parts of this season. This is a whole new part of the season and Ginepri looks like a whole new animal especially emerging in this tournament.

You're right that none of this debate really matters, and we will see in a few hours. I'll be the most popular guy on these boards if Ginepri pulls this off LOL

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Ginepri's run will come to an end, Federer will blast him.Watch and see.

 

[Rob_C]

This match is a perfect example of the better player having a terrible day and giving the underdog confidence & hope that he might actually be able to win the match.

I've seen Federer play badly before, but I've never seen him miss so many easy returns. Ginepri was routinely holding serve by just spinning in his serves 3/4 pace, not even having to hit groundies to win the pts.

 

[FedererUberAlles]

*Spoiler*

Federer is playing like ****.

 

[arosen]

Wow, Fed played like ****e and still won, how does he do it???

 

[FedererUberAlles]

He should be banned from the ATP. it's not fair to all of those other players.

 

[FiveO]

AngleMaster, see the *SPOILER* thread I started.

Guys try not to talk about results, if any, on any thread not marked by a *SPOILER*

 

[gts072]

You not popular AngleMaster but Ginepri played well. I'll give you that.