Anyone know the record for highest differential in a match?
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bluescreen
Hall of Fame
im not sure, but gonzo's +40 something the other day must be pretty high up there, at least for hard courts. i expect the record to held on grass courts though.
christos_liaskos
Professional
not sure exactly but I dont think this match would have been it. I thought I heard A-Rod only made like 2 unforced in his quarter though, thats pretty awesome, not sure how many winners he made.
J-Macs Wimby final against Connors in '84 I think he made something like 3 unforced errors and he says thats the best match of his career, again I aint sure about how many winners he hit.
Both those statistics are pretty awesome though, for the sake of having a dig at WTA tennis, how about Clijsters beating Hingis in her quarter final this year but still made 60 unforced errors. What a total joke
J-Macs Wimby final against Connors in '84 I think he made something like 3 unforced errors and he says thats the best match of his career, again I aint sure about how many winners he hit.
Both those statistics are pretty awesome though, for the sake of having a dig at WTA tennis, how about Clijsters beating Hingis in her quarter final this year but still made 60 unforced errors. What a total joke
Yes, especially given that any error on passing shot, no matter how easy given passing shot was, is considered a forced error.
Moose Malloy
G.O.A.T.
The best ratio I can recall was when Kuerten beat Mirnyi at the 2001 US Open hitting 100+ winners & made only 10 errors, I'd be surprised if anyone ever came close to stat, McEnroe was commentating & was amazed when they flashed that stat. Poor Guga, he really could have won slams on hardcourts, without the injuries.
On faster surfaces, when 2 big servers play each other(especially 2 S&V players) there are usually a very high number of winners & very few errors, since missed passing shots dont count as unforced errors.
The atp doesn't keep records on match stats. Tournament websites are the only places where they are kept, but once the tournament is over, that site is shut down. You can't even compare the stats from last years Aussie Open since it isn't up anymore.
As far as Grand Slam finals, Mac made only 2 errors in the 1984 Wimbledon final, S&V every point, hit a ton of winners.
Also I think rafter made only 5 errors in the '98 US Open final. But keep in mind, he was playing Philippoussis on a fast hard court. I don't think the ball was in play more than 3 or 4 shots the entire match.
As far as pure baseline play goes, I'd be shocked if anyone has had the differential that Federer seems to be capable of on a regular basis.
On faster surfaces, when 2 big servers play each other(especially 2 S&V players) there are usually a very high number of winners & very few errors, since missed passing shots dont count as unforced errors.
The atp doesn't keep records on match stats. Tournament websites are the only places where they are kept, but once the tournament is over, that site is shut down. You can't even compare the stats from last years Aussie Open since it isn't up anymore.
As far as Grand Slam finals, Mac made only 2 errors in the 1984 Wimbledon final, S&V every point, hit a ton of winners.
Also I think rafter made only 5 errors in the '98 US Open final. But keep in mind, he was playing Philippoussis on a fast hard court. I don't think the ball was in play more than 3 or 4 shots the entire match.
As far as pure baseline play goes, I'd be shocked if anyone has had the differential that Federer seems to be capable of on a regular basis.
Moose - you know how to do it. This post should be made a sticky: "How to write a solid, well-informed post."
Jet
Sagittar
Hall of Fame
wow , that's one of the most amazing stats i've ever heard of ..
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
What was Johnny Mac vs. Connors at Wimbledon '84? I think he only had two unforced errors, if I remember correctly.
Yeah, like I posted last night in the Match Results section while the match was still going on, I'd bet Connors was having nightmarish flashbacks of his match against McEnroe in the '84 Wimbledon final while watching Federer beat up on Roddick from the stands.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1200302&postcount=353
Yeah, like I posted last night in the Match Results section while the match was still going on, I'd bet Connors was having nightmarish flashbacks of his match against McEnroe in the '84 Wimbledon final while watching Federer beat up on Roddick from the stands.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1200302&postcount=353
Oh man - I didn't make that connection. Poor Jimmy!
Jet
LowProfile
Professional
It seems odd that, while Roddick only commited four unforced errors in his match against Fish, he was never able to win a 6-0 or even a 6-1 set. However, during the second set against Roddick (who is an even stronger server than Fish), Federer made one or two unforced and took the 6-0 set in what seemed to be less than 20 minutes.
When Federer's numbers are that good, the opponent is going to be squashed harder than Roddick could when his differential was that high. Can we infer anything about their differing game styles or mentalities from this?
Moose Malloy
G.O.A.T.
Federer actually had a better match at last year's AO-48 winners, 10 errors vs Mirnyi.
And Roddick had only one error vs Mirnyi a few years ago, so this is the guy you want to play if you want to look good apparently.
Incidently looking at last year's ao website, it seems that the matches are of a better quality this year, statistically.
http://2006.australianopen.com/en_AU/scores/draws/ms/r3s1.html
zzzbrianxxx
Rookie
Didn't the Roddick vs El Anouyi (SC?) have well over 100 winners EACH? I can't remember the unforced errors count at all, but while I'm sure it was more than 20 each, that's still crazy. Such a good, clean match.
Moose Malloy
G.O.A.T.
Well, it is the longest match played since tiebreaks were used(in terms of # of games played, 5th set was 21-19), so it is certainly possible they hit that many winners.
for those that care, here were mac's stats in the '84 W final:
75% 1st Serve
35 Winners
2 Unforced Errors
11 Aces
0 Double Faults
edit:here are the el aynaoui/roddick stats, amazing, only 6 breaks of serve in 83 games:
1st serve 71% 62%
Aces 25 27
Double faults 8 2
Unforced errors 55 31
Winners 107 102
Break point conversions 3 of 9 3 of 13
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splink779
Guest
Yes, and it is simple. Federer goes for more and hits far more winners than Roddick.
Would have been the other way around 4 years ago.
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Deleted member 3771
Guest
I think Gonzo hit something like 45 winners and 3 unforced errors in one match at the Australian Open. It may have been versus Haas.
crazylevity
Hall of Fame
I was just thinking, especially given the stats for the Roddick-El-Ayounai match, that maybe differentials should be expressed as percentages? McEnroe hit far less winners in that '84 match, but only because it was done and dusted, while Roddick's obviously went the distance.
EliteNinja
Semi-Pro
http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/scores/stats/day16/1602ms.html
Match Summary
Haas (GER) Gonzalez (CHI)
1st Serve % 40 of 67 = 60 % 38 of 60 = 63 %
Aces 0 9
Double Faults 4 0
Unforced Errors 21 3
Winning % on 1st Serve 25 of 40 = 63 % 33 of 38 = 87 %
Winning % on 2nd Serve 7 of 27 = 26 % 14 of 22 = 64 %
Winners (Including Service) 20 42
Receiving Points Won 13 of 60 = 22 % 35 of 68 = 51 %
Break Point Conversions 0 of 0 = 0 % 7 of 12 = 58 %
Net Approaches 21 of 38 = 55 % 13 of 18 = 72 %
Total Points Won 45 82
Fastest Serve
196 km/h 212 km/h
Average 1st Serve Speed
185 km/h 185 km/h
Average 2nd Serve Speed
154 km/h 148 km/h
musicalmedic81
Semi-Pro
Gasquet's comeback win over Roddick at Wimby this year comes to mind. Didnt he end up with 90+ winners to only like 10 errors give or take a few?
boobik2371
Semi-Pro
Dude Haas got demolished
Shaolin
G.O.A.T.
BackHander22
Rookie
I think is was something like 93 winners and 29 errors-a 3:1 ratio is very good.
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