Ash,
I've enjoyed reading your contributions over the years. Thanks for starting this thread.
A while back, when Heath Waters' brain based approach (to the forehand) was broached, you chimed in a bit how your coaching methods have evolved over time. From what you've learned, what are some ways to implement a practice plan for 10-12 year old juniors that utilizes brain based/outcome oriented/random approach to practice?
Two handed backhand: Do you see a trend toward the semi-western grip for the top (non dominant) hand? Any pitfalls to this grip? Would you allow such a grip with a young junior? Also, did you get the chance to ask Murray if he purposely flexes his right wrist (bottom hand) when he drops his racquet below the ball in the downswing of his backhand?
Thanks!
One drill that helped me get over bad line calls when I was younger,......1st loss he was up 5 1 then got a bad line call and lost 1st set because he was really mad. 2nd set up 5 2 then 2 bad line calls and he couldn't hit a ball he was so indignant about it.
Ash, wouldn't you say every top player values winning above everything else? I get it that you are teaching a young player and this psychological issue is getting in his way, but it seems to me this approach lets someone be satisfied with losing gracefully.
I think there is a lot to be said for concentrating on just hitting each shot rather than getting results obsessed, but tennis gives you so many opportunities to get discouraged or quit during a match.
One drill that helped me get over bad line calls when I was younger,...
Play sets, where every player gets a chance to overule a point in a game (ie. forcing the equivalent of 2 bad line calls per game). Over time, you just expect it, and shrug it off, and get into the habit of getting on with the next point (vs. getting angry over the injustice of the previous point).
Ford, Farrell, Cipriani, Burns.whilst watching the rugby
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Well as a coach I can usually say the game scores in matches in most cases in match ups. It is the mental aspect that is the variable imo. So that is why I ask about it. I am not sure of the current high performance ideas for developing juniors in terms of a professional psychologist so which is why I asked. Would not the use of a psychologist during the early development stages teach better coping skills for emotional control? Or is it better to get say 50 matches under your belt before using a sports psychologist? Or is the use of one even necessary? And only match play teaches this aspect?
1) He (or you) needs to get that "should have beat that kid 1 and 1" mentality out of the head. You cannot take opponents for granted. Respect the game, respect the opponents, and enter each match expecting the best from your opponent(s).
2) You're going to have bad calls, that's just the way it is. As honest a person can be, judgement can still be faulty. Your student needs to realize that one or 2 point do not decide a match. Even if the calls came on break/set points. You said he should have beaten this kid 1 and 1 right? Then surely you can break back.
3) When you double fault 20 times, at some point, you're going to have to ease off the 1st serve a little bit. Even if you have to spin the 1st serve in. Spinning the 1st serve in is not that dangerous in reality, because you're praying on the possible fact that your opponent won't be all that offensive on a 1st serve return. You need to get some 1st serves in because you can't let you opponent accept these facts, since you've been double faulting left and right:
- You're going to get a look at a 2nd serve on virtually every point.
- You're going to give the point on a double fault on every other point.
4) Practice matches are practice matches, who's to say your opponent in the tournament hasn't been killing kids for months as well? It's good to have confidence, but you can't let it get over your head man.
5) Can't comment on sports psychologist. Unlike most people here, I don't touch on stuff I know nothing about.
Do you believe we will be able to actually see a difference in quality of tennis (good or bad), ten years from now directly related to Play and Stay/Quick Start? Do you think kids will be tactically better? Could it save the OHBH?
Ford, Farrell, Cipriani, Burns.
As a coach, who do you pick?
And does the decision change as a fan?
Well I am the coach... I don't have the psych skills. I guess I need to really learn this side of tennis coaching. I need to get ahead of this. This kid is a pure athlete and can be scary good. If I stay his coach and he does well I can attract a lot of new clients.If the coaches doesn't have the psychology skills necessary then accessing a sports psychologist is a good idea - but I would recommend the psych work with the coach, rather than the athlete initially - to up-skill the coach. One coach up-skilled helps 100's of players! One player up-skilled helps 1.
As I said earlier - build psychology/mental skills training into all sessions and from quite early on - there is no need to wait for the athlete to start competing, get ahead of the game and be proactive rather than waiting for the horse to bolt and then locking the door.
Well I am the coach... I don't have the psych skills. I guess I need to really learn this side of tennis coaching. I need to get ahead of this. This kid is a pure athlete and can be scary good. If I stay his coach and he does well I can attract a lot of new clients.
I can say he should beat this kid 1 and 1 because I am a tennis coach and I guess scores all the time pretty correctly between kids I know.
In terms of double faulting 20 times and losing. He broke the other kids serve every service. So they basically decided the match on tie breaks. Where my player double faulted a few in each. So the match was decided on the double faults.
My question was very specific and yes thanks for your reply but the typical tw water cooler regurgitated posting is not what I am asking.
My question was when is it appropriate to include a sports psychologist.
Well I am the coach... I don't have the psych skills. I guess I need to really learn this side of tennis coaching. I need to get ahead of this. This kid is a pure athlete and can be scary good. If I stay his coach and he does well I can attract a lot of new clients.
To a certain extent it is irrelevant as just about every major tennis nation is running some variation of "tennis10s" so the playing field is level across the board! I think we will see better 12/14 year olds - whether that translates further into the pro's is very hard to judge as there are still limited spots available to make a living. We will see increased participation though, that I am certain of.
I wrote a piece years back about how the 1HB could be back in vogue with the advent of mini-tennis as all the usual excuses for not teaching it are removed - unfortunately I think we now have a generation of coaches who have never hit a 1HB or learned how to teach one, so it may make no difference - if coaches aren't allowing it to happen then it won't make any difference what format the game takes
Wow. Definitely can't expect the kid to listen when the coach isn't open to other people's perspective. And you've completely missed my point, it's not a matter of whether you can guess scorelines correctly, it's the mentality of being overly confident, borderline arrogant.
Maybe if you taught your kid to adapt and find a way to increase his 1st serve %, and ways to fight off a bad service day, he wouldn't be in a tie-break to begin with. Because, based on your arrogant tone and description, your kid basically handed out games until the tie-break, where he handed out more points, right?
You should modify your initial question, when is it appropriate for your student and "the coach" include a sports psychologist, eat some humble pies once in a while.
How can I work on not overhitting in rallies? A lot of times I will get impatient and just go for the kill with my forehand and oftentimes miss.
Would you have any long term injury concerns about a kid (9) using a full eastern backhand grip on serve? If it's the one they prefer? Probably hitting 150-200 serves a week.
I watched some 12s and 14s matches and I don't think they're better than anything from before if anything they're worse. Some ropey tekkers which wasn't my main issue but they lacked any skills. (I've not been in the industry for long enough to understand but chatted t over with another coach who's coached some top players) They couldn't volley, half volley or slice or move the opponent off the court with the angle.
So my question. Is this the same as ever or do the players have a narrower but more developed skill set that revolves around high loop and grind but have too many neglected skills or is this just my perception from an inexperienced stand point
hi ash I have no specific question but I am interested in the differences between coaching wheelchair tennis to coaching the usual type of tennis. What technical differences and tactical differences are there? I have never coached a wheelchair player. Also how does someone like Esther vergeer ( spelling) win so many matches
There is nothing inherently risky from an injury perspective in choosing any grip - how that grip then affects the rest of the mechanics is where there could be an issue, but if the technique is mechanically sound there there should be no long term risk of injury. Volume of serves for a 9 year old I would be more concerned with - depending on how those 150-200 serves are broken up.
Greatest advice ever I resemble this....LOL. I play (much of the time) first strike type tennis (as I find it enjoyable), but I know it is detrimental statistically.Without wishing to be glib about it - you have a choice - choose not to be impatient! You may need to send some time building awareness of what it is that causes your impatience, but generally it is something you have complete control over - choose to be more patient!
Hey Ash,
I have a few casual high school students that constantly do two things no matter how much I try to change them.
1. Refuse to move their elbows away from their sides often causing a self induced jam when the ball is hit at them.
2. Refuse to hit farther forward that their hips. Very arms oriented swing with very little drive from the legs
I honestly think that the root cause of this is that they were never taught an athletic move growing up. This is evident when I try to get them to throw a ball. Have you dealt with older students who lack this coordination and how would you over come it
Thanks
But then how will we know which 12 year old is the best and who to give all the funding to so that the will be top 10 when they are 22?
How would you run a 1 1/2 squad session with 8 tournament players aged 14 years old? Assuming Physical Warm up has been done, You have 2 full courts, so every player could have a half court.^^^ That's not a question
the coach at our uni loves that. 3 cross 1 line, then 2,then 1. usually do some kind of progression when you go cross until you get chance to go line then play it out. I think it happens fairly often but that drill can become awkward because youre going line or cross when you'd never do that on that ball. On the other hand there is a skill in trying to even get it to head towards the target from the awkward position.
I think quite a lot go like the point at 18.35 in this one at 30-30 on ferrers serve, they grind 4/5 balls cross court then wawrinka goes line
Variations of this drill I like doing is awarding weighted points to the person who initiates going down the line (if they win the point)...@MethodTennis - I suspect that when coaches do 2 cross - 1 line they will argue that the drill forces the player to get into a position for the third ball whereby they can go line and as such that is where the learning lies. I'm not sure I buy this argument.
I much prefer the variation you speak of, whereby the player gets to choose the ball they feel is the best to change on - then you get decision making and positioning.
This time play nice!
The premise of MasturB's thread was quite reasonable and got derailed pretty quick, so here's a rehash of it (basically I have a couple of hours to kill whilst watching the rugby). If any other coaches want to chime in feel free
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My $0.02... there is a different feel when volleying while planted vs. volleying while moving inHi Ash.
In training I have no problem with volleys. Doing drills like volleying to a partner across the net standing in the service box I could go all day. Same goes for being fed balls and playing them back. I think I am also solid at volleying in doubles when playing as the net player and kind of pride myself on my quick reactions.
However in match situations, particularly singles, I find myself time and time again playing the ball behind me and swinging into my shots rather than punching them, particularly when approaching. I find it harder to track the ball onto my racket - it feels like I am late/rushed into playing the shot as I don't gauge the direction/height/speed until the last second.
How can I translate my volleying from practice into actual match situations? What drills would you recommend? There seems to me a big difference in the feel and mind set of volleying in practice in closed drills compared to match situations.
Thanks
Please google Larry Lauer istaHi Ash. I have a 14 year old student. He is just starting tournaments. Played 4 so far. His record is 1 and 4. Lost last 2 due to mental issues. 1st loss he was up 5 1 then got a bad line call and lost 1st set because he was really mad. 2nd set up 5 2 then 2 bad line calls and he couldn't hit a ball he was so indignant about it. This was a kid he should beat 1 and 1.
Last loss for some reason he double faulted 20 times. And still got both sets to tie break and lost.
He plays practice matches last 3 months and destroys the other kids. Clearly a level above skill wise.
At what point does the use of a sports psychologist play into the juniors development? At the early stages of getting tournament experience or after a year or 2?
Thanks.
Julian. Thanks. This is exactly the type of person i need to research.Please google Larry Lauer ista