At this very moment who you rate higher: Djokovic or Nadal

[5555]

No these so called experts don't make a list every time a player wins a slam, so since RG only one list has been made and the ESPN decided not to name any of their experts, cause they probably weren't worth naming. If there was a credible expert, believe me him/her would have been named.

Can you however name me an expert who considers Djokovic betyer? Can you answer the questions I asked previously?

I do not need to name any expert. I need to provide a credible source that says there are experts who rank Djokovic above Nadal and I have already done it.

A consensus among experts just carries more weight of opinion than this consensus among posters on TTW
A weighted opinion is an opinion. An opinion is an opinion not a fact.

Why do you keep saying that?

You wanted to say something but I misunderstood what you wanted to say ??? That's not even an opinion that's going down to pre-emptive guesswork

People often misunderstand what others want to say.

 

[Dedans Penthouse]

I do not need to name any expert.

I need to provide a credible source that says there are experts

who rank Djokovic above Nadal and I have already done it.

Credible source: . Dedans Penthouse
Expert cited: ... .... Dedans Penthouse​

While Djoko will go down as one of the all-time greats, to rank him ahead of Nadal at this (late) stage of his career would be a tad premature. Djoko needs a few more GS scalps to sit alongside Rafa and as it is that also may not be enough considering the fact that Rafa owned Federer mano-a-mano, a player described by many experts including TW's Dedans Penthouse as arguably the greatest male tennis player ever.

You have proven a number of things 5555, not the least of which is your inability to see Djokovic for what he is: an all-time great player, period....without the obsessive "omg!...swoon.......my favourite male idol!!!" groupie hysteria.

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Oops, looks like you've lost the argument 5555.

 

[Zebrev]

Nadal is the better player, so I'll go with Nadal.

 

[Big_Dangerous]

You did a good job with listing the most important statistics.

I still rate Nadal higher at this point, because I find the Majors as the most significant metrics when determining someone's greatness, at least for the players in current era.
However, if Djokovic ends up with 14 Majors (assuming that Nadal won't win another one), I will consider him greater, because he is far superior to Rafa in many other aspects.

I disagree when the difference between them is only 2 slams.

The things that push Djokovic over Nadal for me are: Career winning record against Rafa, more titles and Masters 1000 series victories than Rafa, 5 WTF wins to Rafa's 0, and Djokovic has owned Rafa with at least 7 consecutive in two different spans. Rafa never even defeated Federer 7 times in a row, despite holding an even more one sided record against Fed (23-11) than Djokovic does over Rafa (26-23)

 

[Big_Dangerous]

Here were the highlights of Federer's career posted on ESPN during the US open. As you can all see nobody cares about the Tour finals, they are not as big and historic as the Olympics and Davis cup where Rafa as a clear edge over Djokovic, in addition to the slams.

Ever stop to consider that Fed's career accomplishments/highlights are far too many to list on one screen?

 

[Rafa the King]

Ever stop to consider than Fed's career accomplishments/highlights are far too many to list on one screen?

I agree, DC and OG are important, but without them they'd probably have around 100 other impressive things they could have written instead.

 

[Tennisanity]

No one hardly mentions singles OG anymore for Rafa as this incredible achievement, since Murray has two now, LOL.

 

[xFedal]

Novak's NCYGS is worth at least half a Laver.
Still, I'll put Novak = Rafa for Rafa's 2 more GS titles and tougher career path.

Novaks weeks at No.1 started at age 24!!! From that age onwards he started... Nadal and Fed became No.1 at age 22.

 

[xFedal]

By that logic, ND is better than Fed, but we all know that's not true.

ND is currently better than Federer he is the best in the world.... Also both tied at 5-5 YE#1... Djokovic holds a positive h2h over the guy that made Federer his whipping boy for a decade..... There's quite a few arguments that even Novak has and I just showed you it from his perspective.... but I digress Fed has the most important record the most slams but he is 35.... lets see how many slams ND has when he is

 

[xFedal]

Don't want to sound rude, but 2009 was a stronger year than 2016. No comparison really.

2009 was actually one of the strongest years in recent times.

How exactly was 2009 stronger than 2016? One of Nadals worst prime years.... one of the worst and weakest 2slams season by Fed.... Competition wasn't that strong otherwise Fed wouldn't have ended the year as No.1

 

[mike danny]

How exactly was 2009 stronger than 2016? One of Nadals worst prime years.... one of the worst and weakest 2slams season by Fed.... Competition wasn't that strong otherwise Fed wouldn't have ended the year as No.1

2009 Nadal was still better than 2016 Nadal.

Prime Roddick in a Wimb final > Raonic. LOL

Peak Delpo played better against Roger at the FO than Murray against Novak at the FO.

Soderling > Thiem

Davydenko went on a rampage in the off season. I doubt anybody from 89-97 will do that anytime soon this year.

Top 10 in 2009 >> top 10 in 2016.

 

[xFedal]

2009 Nadal was still better than 2016 Nadal.

Prime Roddick in a Wimb final > Raonic. LOL

Peak Delpo played better against Roger at the FO than Murray against Novak at the FO.

Soderling > Thiem

Davydenko went on a rampage in the off season. I doubt anybody from 89-97 will do that anytime soon this year.

Top 10 in 2009 >> top 10 in 2016.

Federer was beating 2 pigeons in grand slam finals... Soderling and Roddick.... that was not a strong year..... he shouldn't have lost to Delpo while 2 sets to 1 up..... Roddick was an established pigeon of Feds long before 2009 Wimbledon... on the other hand Raonic pushed Murray to the brink in at AO and in Queens ....

 

[mike danny]

Federer was beating 2 pigeons in grand slam finals... Soderling and Roddick.... that was not a strong year..... he shouldn't have lost to Delpo while 2 sets to 1 up..... Roddick was an established pigeon of Feds long before 2009 Wimbledon... on the other hand Raonic pushed Murray to the brink in at AO and in Queens ....

LOL. Did that match have a 16-14 deciding set?

And I was talking strictly about Wimb, not AO. You know, the match in which Raonic could not even break Murray's serve LOL. All talk about their AO match and he rolled over in the biggest match of his career so far at Wimb.

Raonic is also a pigeon of Murray you know. He lost the last 7-8 matches to him. Thanks for mentioning just 2 matches for Raonic in which he gave Murray a hard time, while completely ignoring the number of matches in which Roddick gave Fed a hard time, including their Miami and Madrid matches just in that very year, 2009.

What makes 2016 stronger? A top 10 filled with has-beens? Meanwhile nobody in the top 10 in 2009 had more than 28 years of age.