13 version has closed pattern while PA and new PA have very wide pattern. That makes sense in term of control.
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Babolat Pure Aero 2019
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Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
did you think 2019 version swings as easy as the 2013 aeropro drive plus ?
Karma Tennis
Legend
Are you comparing the stock '13 APD with the stock '19 PA?
A lot of what you say about the stock '13 is easily fixed with appropriate customisation. (Adding weight in the right places significantly increases Power potential on Serves and Depth potential on ground strokes without affect the scalpel like control or spin potential.)
I'm yet to see the '19 PA, but looking at it's specs and reading the reviews, it does not appear that customisation will significantly enhance that frame for decent players.
A lot of what you say about the stock '13 is easily fixed with appropriate customisation. (Adding weight in the right places significantly increases Power potential on Serves and Depth potential on ground strokes without affect the scalpel like control or spin potential.)
I'm yet to see the '19 PA, but looking at it's specs and reading the reviews, it does not appear that customisation will significantly enhance that frame for decent players.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
I am hearing that 19 PA plus swings just as easy as 13 APD plus. that is great news indeed
I had a bad experience with PA19
I received a heavy unit. The full weight was 336 grams strung and OG
I have APD GT and for me it is the best version of all.
In the new PA19 there is no babolat sensation.
the grommet system removes sensitivity when hitting.
He would leave the racket in 67 RA, but he would return to the grommet of the APD.
the SW felt very heavy, difficult to move.
I did not like.
I received a heavy unit. The full weight was 336 grams strung and OG
I have APD GT and for me it is the best version of all.
In the new PA19 there is no babolat sensation.
the grommet system removes sensitivity when hitting.
He would leave the racket in 67 RA, but he would return to the grommet of the APD.
the SW felt very heavy, difficult to move.
I did not like.
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Dude, (if you are female then like everything else in this non discriminatory day and age 'dude' is now presumably accepted as a non gender specific reference) all the PA+s swing easy af; you need to hit the gym!
jmacdaununder2
Legend
I stand/sit corrected
Probably a standard length Tour version though.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Pure Aero Plus 2016/17 version does NOT swing easy, especially at Net. 2013 Aeropro drive plus swings very easy including at Net. I am hoping 2019 Pure Aero plus swings similarly to 2013 Aeropro drive plus.
I agree. Both PA+ versions swing very easy.
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Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
Try blocking the return back at the net instead of being “girly like” and swing at it! Be a man; and do an actual volley, Nostradamus! Man up!
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gutfeeling
Hall of Fame
Guys I have a 2016 plus model and a 2019 regular model I am ready to sell. Message me for details.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Even the bryan bros use pure drive plus 2016 and they don't like the pure aero due to high swing weight. so Doubles play, it is preferable to have low SW. In singles serve and volley, it is actually preferable to have higher SW due to being able to hit more penetrating deep volleys on the 1st volley. but that is Singles not doubles
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Lol!! Presumably they're using juiced up pro stock; or at the very least their 'retail' racquets are weighted up to somewhere near their old Princes. HTFU!
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Adrian Mannarino has also switched to 2019 Pure Aero Plus........ and he was always using the 2013 aeropro plus and couldn't find anything else he liked til now.
jmacdaununder2
Legend
No doubt the Bros. Bryan will follow suit and switch too, although they'll probably wait until TW has another happy hour. All these pros playing off the shelf racs, you'd think they'd prefer something heavier...
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
why was the pure aero plus that was in all the store websites pulled off ? kind of weird. its like as thought they accidently put it up in website and they realized they werern't supposed toNo doubt the Bros. Bryan will follow suit and switch too, although they'll probably wait until TW has another happy hour. All these pros playing off the shelf racs, you'd think they'd prefer something heavier...
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
65 RA seem bit low to me. TW had it much higher like 68 or 69 when it was in their website briefly. Can there be that much variance in RA ? I know there is wide variance in weight but RA too ??
Watching Mannarino playing Sydney now. It's the old grommet. Still his old APD GT with new PJ.
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Well, the Pure Aero 2019 has arrived.
I've tried it for 1 week, so it's not a definitive review, but as I know these rackets because the Aero are the ones I play with.
Strung with Solinco Tour Bite 1.25 to 50 lbs.
Note: the 2012 model remained in my memory for its sense of robustness and high SW at the moment of impact, which gave me confidence. The 2013 model, for its swing speed and rigid touch, I remember the best defenses with that model, but its low SW complicated a really heavy ball and its extreme rigidity made it unpredictable in mid-couyrt balls. I have never got to dominate the Pure Aero because of its wild power, but its lack of control.
"Stability" and "directional" control are the words that define the 2019 model.
The racquet feels stable at the first impact. The same, with directional control.
I dare to say that it has more directional control, in comparison with its predecessors.
One day I will take the time to compare the whole Aero and pure Aero series, highlighting the pros and cons of each model, however, today I will focus on this 2019 version.
The feeling at the moment of beating is pleasant as well as curious and different.
The system of grommets, added to the materials that have been placed between 3 and 9, results in a different hit from the previous Aeros.
First of all, I must say that it reminds me somewhat of the "yonex" touch. For some reason, the ball remains a few milliseconds inside the string.
I do not know if I like this feeling, only it's different.
Although it does not become a "catapult" effect, it is not a "dry" impact as in the 2012 (GT) and 2013 (cortex) models.
Personally, it does not completely convince me, although I have not rejected it yet.
I also find it curious the launch angle offered by this model. I thought it would be significantly up and the funny thing is that it is rather horizontal, which invites you to hit flat shots every time.
Flat shots? yes. It can do them, and much better than with the previous models.
Why? The racquet for some reason feels heavier in the head.
I have leaded many rackets throughout my life, and this model reminds me a lot of the feelings of those which I have leaded between 3 and 9.
It has its pros and cons. An advantages is that in the service it is an atomic bomb. And a disadvantage is its little maneuverability.
I also felt that the weight more in the head produces a more rectilinear ball, although it has spin, but definitely it does not make the parabola of its predecessors, rather boots and accelerates a bit, instead of bouncing and jumping.
As a result, we have a racquet that seems to have a head balance, although the specs do not say the same, but it is more flexible and with grommets that achieve a "cushioned" effect and retain the ball in the string longer.
In no way, it is achieved the "explosive" effect at the slightest contact with the strings (at the best pure drive style, or Aero pro drive).
As a clarification, I want to say that the fact that it does not feel explosive does not mean that it does not generate power. The racket generates tons of controlled power with a balance, or feeling of balance that does not convince me ... At times I felt that it was going to fall.. and the SW also feels heavy.
It emphasizes the effects, bites very well the ball by the opening of the strings, and the important thing is that it has a good holding in balls at the race (issue that missed in the model 2012 and 2013).
In the defensive position, it behaves well because as you touch the ball (I insist on his weight to the head), it is expelled and somehow enters the opponent's court. The 2012 model, no, if you did not give a wrist snap, the ball fell dead on our side.
In volleys it is absolutely stable.
I found it difficult to raise with Top spin the low balls in the middle of the court, I had to twist them exaggeratedly so that I drew the parabola well. I did not like this at all since I had to force the technical gesture which I was used to.
Possibly the weight to the head makes this technical gesture difficult ... the hit does not close completely and the ball goes through.
This did not happen to me with the previous versions and I attribute it to the weight to the head and heavy SW.
I will continue reporting, but meanwhile I tell you that it is an interesting, different racket, that has me a bit disoriented.. It is a kind of strange freak, nice to play, but you have to get used to it. The Babolat (explosive) touch was definitely not there. With the grommet, they made me feel a little 'delay' effect.
I've tried it for 1 week, so it's not a definitive review, but as I know these rackets because the Aero are the ones I play with.
Strung with Solinco Tour Bite 1.25 to 50 lbs.
Note: the 2012 model remained in my memory for its sense of robustness and high SW at the moment of impact, which gave me confidence. The 2013 model, for its swing speed and rigid touch, I remember the best defenses with that model, but its low SW complicated a really heavy ball and its extreme rigidity made it unpredictable in mid-couyrt balls. I have never got to dominate the Pure Aero because of its wild power, but its lack of control.
"Stability" and "directional" control are the words that define the 2019 model.
The racquet feels stable at the first impact. The same, with directional control.
I dare to say that it has more directional control, in comparison with its predecessors.
One day I will take the time to compare the whole Aero and pure Aero series, highlighting the pros and cons of each model, however, today I will focus on this 2019 version.
The feeling at the moment of beating is pleasant as well as curious and different.
The system of grommets, added to the materials that have been placed between 3 and 9, results in a different hit from the previous Aeros.
First of all, I must say that it reminds me somewhat of the "yonex" touch. For some reason, the ball remains a few milliseconds inside the string.
I do not know if I like this feeling, only it's different.
Although it does not become a "catapult" effect, it is not a "dry" impact as in the 2012 (GT) and 2013 (cortex) models.
Personally, it does not completely convince me, although I have not rejected it yet.
I also find it curious the launch angle offered by this model. I thought it would be significantly up and the funny thing is that it is rather horizontal, which invites you to hit flat shots every time.
Flat shots? yes. It can do them, and much better than with the previous models.
Why? The racquet for some reason feels heavier in the head.
I have leaded many rackets throughout my life, and this model reminds me a lot of the feelings of those which I have leaded between 3 and 9.
It has its pros and cons. An advantages is that in the service it is an atomic bomb. And a disadvantage is its little maneuverability.
I also felt that the weight more in the head produces a more rectilinear ball, although it has spin, but definitely it does not make the parabola of its predecessors, rather boots and accelerates a bit, instead of bouncing and jumping.
As a result, we have a racquet that seems to have a head balance, although the specs do not say the same, but it is more flexible and with grommets that achieve a "cushioned" effect and retain the ball in the string longer.
In no way, it is achieved the "explosive" effect at the slightest contact with the strings (at the best pure drive style, or Aero pro drive).
As a clarification, I want to say that the fact that it does not feel explosive does not mean that it does not generate power. The racket generates tons of controlled power with a balance, or feeling of balance that does not convince me ... At times I felt that it was going to fall.. and the SW also feels heavy.
It emphasizes the effects, bites very well the ball by the opening of the strings, and the important thing is that it has a good holding in balls at the race (issue that missed in the model 2012 and 2013).
In the defensive position, it behaves well because as you touch the ball (I insist on his weight to the head), it is expelled and somehow enters the opponent's court. The 2012 model, no, if you did not give a wrist snap, the ball fell dead on our side.
In volleys it is absolutely stable.
I found it difficult to raise with Top spin the low balls in the middle of the court, I had to twist them exaggeratedly so that I drew the parabola well. I did not like this at all since I had to force the technical gesture which I was used to.
Possibly the weight to the head makes this technical gesture difficult ... the hit does not close completely and the ball goes through.
This did not happen to me with the previous versions and I attribute it to the weight to the head and heavy SW.
I will continue reporting, but meanwhile I tell you that it is an interesting, different racket, that has me a bit disoriented.. It is a kind of strange freak, nice to play, but you have to get used to it. The Babolat (explosive) touch was definitely not there. With the grommet, they made me feel a little 'delay' effect.
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Sounds like higher balance point based on this single anecdote...
Hows it compare to tc100? (I think you had the 63 ra one but interested in comparison with 70 ra version if you‘ve tried that one too?). Am beginning to get bored with my yonex!
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Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
No it looks real. look at the throat of the racket
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
are you talking about pure aero or pure aero plus ? Pure aero standard length got a pretty good review from TW review, score of 82.
https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Reviews/BPAR/BPARReview.html
Volleys - Score: 82
Although the Aero family is not known for its deft touch, the volley is an area where these racquets have always gotten the job done with surprising efficiency. With the lowered RA, the Pure Aero's feel was sure to shine here. Never shy to move toward the net, Chris recalled, "The Pure Aero felt fast and easy to maneuver at net. I had a tad more touch and feel with it compared to the older model and the current Pure Drive. I liked how I could line up the strings with my intended target and get the ball to zip right to it. Any ball above the height of the net could easily be volleyed away with this racquet."
Zśofia much preferred this update to its predecessor up at net. She said, "This racquet felt stable at net, and I was able to get a lot of power for my shots. Due to the vibration dampening updates, this racquet felt much more stable than the previous version."
Sean also had no issues with the stability. He commented, "I thought the Pure Aero held its own in terms of stability at net. It was great for redirecting pace, and it left open the option for touch — a nice balance."
Natasha appreciated how nimble the Pure Aero was when she came forward. She said, "I found the Pure Aero easy to maneuver around the net. It had a great sweetspot for punching through volleys and plenty of feel for my soft touch volleys."
Adding to that, Valerie succinctly said, "This racquet was easy to volley with. It was very stable and had good touch."
"Getting stick on my volleys was easy with the Pure Aero," Marco continued. "The ball sprang off the stringbed and penetrated through the court."
topspn
Legend
Yes, I am pretty familiar with the TC100 70RA version. The TC100 is significantly more comfortable and certainly better control. Power comes easier with the PA but good mechanics produces significant power from the TC100. Two big serving sticks as well. Overall, i’d take the TC100 due to comfort and better control while still producing a significantly heavy ball and big serve.
Not that far away
Whatever Pre-Sale means...
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Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
Not that far away
Whatever Pre-Sale means...
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I think the pre-sale is the promotional week before the release of the racquet for sale; which is releasing the reviews by all the pro review sites at one time. You have professional testers/reviewers and online stores doing their reviews too. It the week of getting all the info out for those who are interest in the racquet!
terminator97
New User
I just weighed my 2019, stock with RPM Blast rough 16ga + OG + Dampener = 325g
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
This is bit Worrisome as I wait for the Demos of Pure Aero Plus 2019 which has swing weight of 330. Because 2018 Pure drive plus has Low Swing weight of 325. and 330 is higher
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Babolat_Pure_Aero_Plus_2019/descpageRCBAB-BPAPR.html
WOW,, just wow. TW playtesters Loved the pure aero plus 2019. It was unanimous. That usually means it is a great new frame
WOW,, just wow. TW playtesters Loved the pure aero plus 2019. It was unanimous. That usually means it is a great new frame
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Ca-ching!! Hook, line and sinker...
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
OK got to hit with Pure Aero plus 2019 for about 1 hour. will need 3-4 more hours of hitting to tell its true potential. But very very surprising quality racket. very vey nice from the baseline, great power with high launch angle compare to pure drives. Spin was great around 3000 RPM from the baseline I was making. Albeit, the Demo was strung with full bed RPM blast and that string is Spin insane machine with power. (no wonder so many pros use it). Also great maneuverability at Baseline ground strokes.
At net, this is where it was bit slow compared to pure drive plus 2018. Difference was very small but definitely there. However if you hit well timed solid contact at net, volleys were very penetrating.
Will report more as I demo more hours.
At net, this is where it was bit slow compared to pure drive plus 2018. Difference was very small but definitely there. However if you hit well timed solid contact at net, volleys were very penetrating.
Will report more as I demo more hours.
I would like to know the results of the hit. I’m waiting for the written review.
prjacobs
Hall of Fame
I'll do that.
Karma Tennis
Legend
Hi @prjacobs,
A friend of mine has returned to his beloved leaded up 2013 APDs after experimenting with several other brands and sticks. I am very interested to hear what you think of the new PA Tour so I can pass it your comments to him.
Most importantly, I would like to know whether the new string pattern spacing offers any advantages over the 2013 APD. The right sort of customisation on the APD really brought out the best in its string pattern.
prjacobs
Hall of Fame
So...
After hitting one hour with the new PA Tour, here are my subjective thoughts.
My leaded 2013 APD is 331 grams, 32.4 balance, 319 SW. As I mentioned above the weight and balance of my PA Tour demo are EXACTLY the same, except the SW was 329.
I string really low. 43 lbs with Weiss Cannon Ultra Cable 17. This was strung with Head Lynx 17 @ 52 lbs. (the bright green set). I also use a Wilson Shock Shield grip L2 and this has a stock Babalot L3... Might’ve felt a little smaller.
Right away I felt more shock to my hand, similar to the older PA.
I was hitting long at first, but after adjusting, I felt like it wasn’t that different than my 2013 APD. I’m totally grooved with my APDs, having used them for over five years.
However - I feel that this PA Tour hits a heavier ball. (As did the older PA). The launch angle seems pretty similar. I feel like the extra swing weight let me relax my wrist and get a pretty effortless lag as I came forward into my forehands. My hitting partner was consistently late.
I also felt that when I wanted to, I could really crush the ball with much more control than the older PA. Good fun [emoji4].
My one hand backhand felt very good. Plenty of topspin or slice. Again the higher swing weight gave me a real sense of the weight working for me. As a lefty, my favorite thing is to demoralize righties on crosscourt rallies with my backhand [emoji4]. This happens on a regular basis when I’m sleeping...
Volleys felt solid, overheads, again because of the added swing weight felt better than with my 2013 APD.
I’ve been screwing around with my serve a lot lately, but again, that added swing weight seemed good.
The thing that scares me is that I felt a similar harshness up towards the tip as I did with the older PA, which KILLED my wrist. Maybe with my shock shield grips and the Ultra Cable, which is a very soft poly, that would change. Head Lynx is also a soft poly, but not as spin friendly and more powerful the the WCUC 17L.
The string pattern is definitely more open in the center than the 2013 APD. Looks similar towards the edges.
All in all, I’m going to demo it again. There’s some potential for me, here.
Alternatively, I may have one of my APDs modified to keep the weight and balance and get the SW up to around 327.
Hope this helps. Happy hitting, everyone...
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TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Finally he found what he liked
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Yea, just use the regular one. 2019 Pure aero is very nice racket that does everything well.
franco Rodriguez
New User
so whats your say on this pure aero plus? I have a regular and it worked great it just need more power. def not like the old pure aero
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