Best serve of all time

[darthpwner]

http://www.tenniscruz.com/content/view/451/1/

Average first serve speed Federer: 114-121 mph
Average first serve speed Pete Sampras: 114-123 mph

Fastest first serve speed of Roger Federer: 135 mph 2006 Australian Open
Fastest first serve speed of Pete Sampras: 135 mph 1998 US Open

FAIL!!

Fed paints the lines better than Sampras as well. Deal with it!! 16 slams > 14 slams

That isn't just because of his serve ******. Federer's overall game is stronger than Sampras, particularly his return, ground strokes, and stamina. However, Sampras has a more accurate serve. Look how many times he erases break points with aces. I suggest you start watching tennis before you make conclusions like this.

 

[federerGOAT]

That isn't just because of his serve ******. Federer's overall game is stronger than Sampras, particularly his return, ground strokes, and stamina. However, Sampras has a more accurate serve. Look how many times he erases break points with aces. I suggest you start watching tennis before you make conclusions like this.

Big deal! It's as if Fed has never erased break points with his serve. YOu stated that Sampras has a greater average service speed than Fed, but apparently not so. Fed has virtually the same ball toss of most serves and his opponents can't read his serve.

Fed can even do the leaping overhead that Sampras is known for, and he has better half volleys and drop volleys. So tell me, what part of Sampras's overrated game is better than Fed's?? Both serve at around the same speed and Fed is more accurate.

 

[darthpwner]

Big deal! It's as if Fed has never erased break points with his serve. YOu stated that Sampras has a greater average service speed than Fed, but apparently not so.

Yes it does. Look at your stats that you brought up, Pete's range is 114-123. Roger's is 114-121. Do you need your goddam eyes checked? In that range, Pete can serve 2 mph faster. Besides, your the one who says Roger has a much better serve than Sampras. What a bunch of bs! Sampras was never broken in the finals of '94, '95, '97, '99, '00 W, '90 USO. Federer was only never broken in Federer '03 W, '09 FO. Stats courtesy of Moose Malloy.

 

[darthpwner]

Big deal! It's as if Fed has never erased break points with his serve. YOu stated that Sampras has a greater average service speed than Fed, but apparently not so. Fed has virtually the same ball toss of most serves and his opponents can't read his serve.

Fed can even do the leaping overhead that Sampras is known for, and he has better half volleys and drop volleys. So tell me, what part of Sampras's overrated game is better than Fed's?? Both serve at around the same speed and Fed is more accurate.

Sure Fed can do a jump overhead, but Sampras does it much more frequently. Federer has only done it about three times his whole career! And wth is this bullcrap that Federer has better half volleys and drop volleys? Federer doesn't even come to the fricking net! Sampras is much better at the net and serving than Federer.

 

[darthpwner]

Big deal! It's as if Fed has never erased break points with his serve. YOu stated that Sampras has a greater average service speed than Fed, but apparently not so. Fed has virtually the same ball toss of most serves and his opponents can't read his serve.

Fed can even do the leaping overhead that Sampras is known for, and he has better half volleys and drop volleys. So tell me, what part of Sampras's overrated game is better than Fed's?? Both serve at around the same speed and Fed is more accurate.

Pete had one of the most unreadable serves of all time behind probably only McEnroe. Just admit that Pete has a better serve because your fanboyism for Roger is blinding you.

 

[federerGOAT]

Yes it does. Look at your stats that you brought up, Pete's range is 114-123. Roger's is 114-121. Do you need your goddam eyes checked? In that range, Pete can serve 2 mph faster. Besides, your the one who says Roger has a much better serve than Sampras. What a bunch of bs! Sampras was never broken in the finals of '94, '95, '97, '99, '00 W, '90 USO. Federer was only never broken in Federer '03 W, '09 FO. Stats courtesy of Moose Malloy.

2mph is insignificant. You mentioned that Sampras hits 130 frequently while Fed has an average of 118 mph. I proved that they have virtually the same pace. Sampras was lucky that he was in a weak era. Today's players are better athletes and returners than the ones your boy Sampras faced

 

[federerGOAT]

Sure Fed can do a jump overhead, but Sampras does it much more frequently. Federer has only done it about three times his whole career! And wth is this bullcrap that Federer has better half volleys and drop volleys? Federer doesn't even come to the fricking net! Sampras is much better at the net and serving than Federer.

Fed doesn't need to S&V when his bread and butter is his baseline game. But when he does it, he is a class above Sampras. Look at their match in 2001.

Fed's S&V >>> Sampras S&V

Fed's Baseline game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sampras baseline game

 

[darthpwner]

2mph is insignificant. You mentioned that Sampras hits 130 frequently while Fed has an average of 118 mph. I proved that they have virtually the same pace. Sampras was lucky that he was in a weak era. Today's players are better athletes and returners than the ones your boy Sampras faced

This I never mentioned. Don't put words in my mouth. And that weak era argument is not relevant. A great server in one era will always be a great server. Technology plays a big role in today's field because now the players can take huge cuts at the ball due to poly based strings such as Luxilon or the new RPM blast. That's why there are no more serve and volleyers. It is true that today's players are better athletes and returners, but Federer's serve simply is not as good as Sampras. Got that? BTW, I am a Federer AND a Sampras fan. I just disagree with you hyping up Federer's serve. IT IS DEFINITELY NOT BETTER THAN PETE'S!

 

[darthpwner]

Fed doesn't need to S&V when his bread and butter is his baseline game. But when he does it, he is a class above Sampras. Look at their match in 2001.

Fed's S&V >>> Sampras S&V

Fed's Baseline game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sampras baseline game

That was just one match where Federer played incredible s&v tennis. Pete played s&v tennis pretty much the entire 2nd half of his career (1997-2002) and he had great success with it. Federer no longer s&v in today's game partly because of technology, but also because he is not as gifted as an attacking player than he is as a baseliner. Sampras is better at the net and at serving than Roger. BTW, in that match against Federer, Pete was past his prime you know. Even though Federer's game wasn't as mature, in Roger's prime, Pete volleys better than him

 

[federerGOAT]

This I never mentioned. Don't put words in my mouth. And that weak era argument is not relevant. A great server in one era will always be a great server. It is true that today's players are better athletes and returners, but Federer's serve simply is not as good as Sampras. Got that? BTW, I am a Federer AND a Sampras fan. I just disagree with you hyping up Federer's serve. IT IS DEFINITELY NOT BETTER THAN PETE'S!

Ok sorry, it was the other guy who mentioned it. But you said that he has more heat. I wouldn't call 2mph a significant difference

 

[darthpwner]

Ok sorry, it was the other guy who mentioned it. But you said that he has more heat. I wouldn't call 2mph a significant difference

But it does prove my point: Pete has more heat than Federer, be it 2 mph or 20 mph.

 

[federerGOAT]

But it does prove my point: Pete has more heat than Federer, be it 2 mph or 20 mph.

Ok, but I never claimed Fed had a faster serve than Sampras. I said it was better. 2mph doesn't make much of a difference. Fed has better precision.

 

[darthpwner]

Ok, but I never claimed Fed had a faster serve than Sampras. I said it was better. 2mph doesn't make much of a difference. Fed has better precision.

Sampras does everything better on the serve than Federer except 1st serve percentage. Pete definitely painted more lines on serve than Federer, especially on 2nd serves, especially on crucial moments. Here's a prime example vs Corretja. 2nd serve ace that totally rattled Alex and caused him to double fault.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sua__p9kVtA
Also, Sampras has a better 2nd serve because he was more aggressive. Federer is content to kick the 2nd serve above the other player's shoulders towards the backhand because his overall game is so sound. Sampras was more of an aggressive attacker than Federer and needed to go for big seconds so he was in good position to finish with a volley or smash. Granted, Federer has the best combination offense and defense ever, so he doesn't need to be as aggressive.

 

[TheFifthSet]

federerGOAT: Sampras's second serve was 6-8 MPH faster on average, and he held serve at pretty much the same rate despite having a weaker ground game, and held serve at a FAR higher rate than Federer in slam finals. And yes, his first serve did have more pace on average, and NO, Federer is not more accurate than him nor does he pain the lines better, if he did he wouldn't be out-aced by so much.

Regarding the OP, it has to be Karlovic IMO, I mean what else does he have other than serve? The guy holds serve at a higher rate than Fed or Roddick despite the fact that his ground game is not even in the same univrse as those two, it's barely top 500 (if even that).

 

[piece]

federerGOAT: Sampras's second serve was 6-8 MPH faster on average, and he held serve at pretty much the same rate despite having a weaker ground game, and held serve at a FAR higher rate than Federer in slam finals. And yes, his first serve did have more pace on average, and NO, Federer is not more accurate than him nor does he pain the lines better, if he did he wouldn't be out-aced by so much.

Regarding the OP, it has to be Karlovic IMO, I mean what else does he have other than serve? The guy holds serve at a higher rate than Fed or Roddick despite the fact that his ground game is not even in the same univrse as those two, it's barely top 500 (if even that).

Might this not be explained (at least partially) by the tour being alot faster overall back then and the general improvement in the quality of the return game we've seen since the turn of the century?

I definitely think Sampras has the better serve, but not necessarily for the reasons you outlined.

 

[genius24]

wow! didn't think the poll results would be so sampras dominant

 

[norbac]

Why aren't Gilles Simon and Nicolas Massu on the poll?

 

[Anaconda]

Federer has a much better serve than SAmpras. Sampras's pathetic 120mph serve is ordinary in this era.

Are. You. Sh!tting me?


Firstly, you are completely wrong about the speed. The radar guns which are used today are, well let's say juiced. Sampras would be in the 140's occassionally with his hardest serves today.

I personally don't mind people saying that Federer has the best serve ever etc. I chose to acknowledge that these people don't watch tennis that's all.

Anyway IMO the best servers ever are...................

1) Sampras
2) Ivaniesevic - first serve as good, if not better than Sampras'. However his second serve wasn't as good + he wasn't exactly strong upstairs.
3) Karlovic + Roddick: Tied. These guys played on slow surfaces and still did well.
4) Krajicek.


They are the top 5 servers ever. Suppose you could put anyone at any particluar spot according what your criteria is. Most people seem to think that Federer's serve as a shot is legendary, which it isn't. However as a service game is actually very good because he has game to back it up.

 

[PSNELKE]

This board is full of Americans so it´s pretty obvious who´s the best server..

 

[ARIARAIDEN]

None of them.My vote would go for Dent.

 

[Li Ching Yuen]

None of them.My vote would go for Dent.

Not the best serve, but certainly the fastest, although records have Roddick as the one.

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I think Karlovic is the best server of all time, although he has been put in humorous situations too.

Here he is getting pawned on the return:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFPPywq9jms

 

[fps]

as others have said, today's speed guns are juiced, just as the cricket ones are.

nadal's serve doesn't belong in a best serve ever discussion. but it is the most underrated serve on tour. he gets more and more cheap points from it, and the swerve he gets means the receiver has to hit an exceptional shot to get on the attack from it. not a weapon, then, or an ace machine, but the best point-starter in all of world tennis right now. Murray himself said it was much harder to return that you might think, and he is at least one of the top 3 returners in the world.

 

[fps]

oh, and SAMPRAS. just incredible the number of times he pulled out huge second serves and crushed the confidence of an opponent eager to pull the trigger. he gets extra points because of the number of high stakes games where it was a key factor. the likes of karlovic don't fall into the discussion because a)in karlovic's case his serve was taken apart when he played fed at wimbledon and b)those kindsa guys aren't using their serves against the best at the business ends of tournaments.

 

[drakulie]

^^nadal's serve in the grand scheme of things doesn't belong in this conversation. It sucks.


Now, as for the Sampras/Federer argument going on, Sampras' serve (first and second) is superior.

That said, Sampras was hitting about 120. Not 130, ,140, etc. Stop exaggerating.

What made his second serve ridiculous was the 5000 rpm's of spin he put on it, and his placement. Couple that with the fact that he would often rear back and just hit another first serve AND hit his target, and this is what made his serve the best.

 

[fed_rulz]

The Sampras serve gets hyped up again -- thanks due to the slick surfaces of the 90s. I shudder to think what'd have happened if Karlovic & co played in the 90s. He perhaps had the most clutch 2nd serve ever. the rest, Karlovic and Ivanisevic did it better, and so did a bunch of other folks like Krajicek, Stich, Querrey, Isner, Roddick, etc.

IMO, the sampras serve would get returned a lot easier these days due to better returners and slower surfaces.

 

[fps]

^^nadal's serve in the grand scheme of things doesn't belong in this conversation. It sucks.


Now, as for the Sampras/Federer argument going on, Sampras' serve (first and second) is superior.

That said, Sampras was hitting about 120. Not 130, ,140, etc. Stop exaggerating.

What made his second serve ridiculous was the 5000 rpm's of spin he put on it, and his placement. Couple that with the fact that he would often rear back and just hit another first serve AND hit his target, and this is what made his serve the best.

i was making a defence of nadal's serve, not claiming it as the best ever. when murray says it's a hard serve to return, i sit up and pay attention. the speed guns today regularly report back much faster than before, and they measure differently and are themselves different machines. there is definitely an argument to be made that today's speed guns report serves as faster than the speed gunsfrom the 90s, even if they are not.

 

[rovex]

The Sampras serve gets hyped up again -- thanks due to the slick surfaces of the 90s. I shudder to think what'd have happened if Karlovic & co played in the 90s. He perhaps had the most clutch 2nd serve ever. the rest, Karlovic and Ivanisevic did it better, and so did a bunch of other folks like Krajicek, Stich, Querrey, Isner, Roddick, etc.

IMO, the sampras serve would get returned a lot easier these days due to better returners and slower surfaces.

Hyped up? Federer's serve is the one that's hyped up around here. And the rest of your post is pure conjecture. Simple as that.

 

[drakulie]

i was making a defence of nadal's serve, not claiming it as the best ever.

No need to make a defense of his serve, when the thread title is "best serve", and he isn't even in the conversation.

 

[fps]

No need to make a defense of his serve, when the thread title is "best serve", and he isn't even in the conversation.

a lot of people here take potshots at players for no reason, so i like to give a bit of balance.

i'd agree that sampras' serve is better than fed's, is sampras your pick?

 

[drakulie]

a lot of people here take potshots at players for no reason, so i like to give a bit of balance.

i'd agree that sampras' serve is better than fed's, is sampras your pick?

I take sampras' serve over any player in the history of the game (including nadal)

 

[lawrence]

imo Ivanisevic because he's a lefty, puts him at a huge advantage, esp on break points

sampras second

then fed

then roddick

 

[Cesc Fabregas]

Federer isn't even a top 5 server today, let alone of all time.

 

[fed_rulz]

Hyped up? Federer's serve is the one that's hyped up around here. And the rest of your post is pure conjecture. Simple as that.

perhaps, but not as much as the sampras serve. If you believe some of the hype, you'd be inclined to think that the sampras serve was never broken!!

Pure conjecture? LOL. what about this thread? when you say that the Sampras serve is the best of all time, you conjecture that his serve would be as deadly and effective against all generations....

 

[Nadalfan89]

Sampras's ability to hit another first serve after missing the first one makes him the best in my books.

 

[Anaconda]

I take sampras' serve over any player in the history of the game (including nadal)

Do you actually watch tennis? Nadal is the best at everything duh.

 

[rocket]

Sampras's ability to hit another first serve after missing the first one makes him the best in my books.

that's a good way to put it.

 

[Limpinhitter]

This poll is an embarrassing testimonial to the preschool sand-box mentality of this board. Bottom line, if you never played with a new wood racquet, you're too young and stupid to scare up a rational thought, and should, therefore, be barred from posting polls on TT. JMNSHO!

Having said that, the greatest 5 serves the game has seen, notwithstanding the overall greatness of the players, are as follows:

1. Sampras
2. Gonzales
3. Ivanisovic
4. Becker
5. Tanner

HM: McEnroe

PS: It's not just about power. It's about winning points. Having said that, Sampras first serve had more kick on it than any other first serve ever. His second serve had an even more vicious kick. The reason Sampras serves typically clocked at under 130 is because the radar gun can only measure linear speed. It can't measure the speed of the ball traveling downward toward the court. That's why men's second serves seem so much more powerful than ladies first serves, but clock slower.

PPS: On further consideration, Edberg's serves probably had more "kick" than Sampras' serves. Not because they had more topspin, but, because Edberg purposely put more arch on his serves. And, McEnroe belongs in that conversation, too!

 

[fed_rulz]

This poll is an embarrassing testimonial to the preschool sand-box mentality of this board. Bottom line, if you never played with a new wood racquet, you're too young and stupid to scare up a rational thought, and should, therefore, be barred from posting polls on TT. JMNSHO!

Having said that, the greatest 5 serves the game has seen, notwithstanding the overall greatness of the players, are as follows:

1. Sampras
2. Gonzales
3. Ivanisovic
4. Becker
5. Tanner

HM: McEnroe

PS: It's not just about power. It's about winning points. Having said that, Sampras first serve had more kick on it than any other first serve ever. His second serve had an even more vicious kick. The reason Sampras serves typically clocked at under 130 is because the radar gun can only measure linear speed. It can't measure the speed of the ball traveling downward toward the court. That's why men's second serves seem so much more powerful than ladies first serves, but clock slower.

PPS: On further consideration, Edberg's serves probably had more "kick" than Sampras' serves. Not because they had more topspin, but, because Edberg purposely put more arch on his serves. And, McEnroe belongs in that conversation, too!

Great post.

Likewise, there should be an age limit on who should be allowed to post/respond to polls on TT. if you ever played with a new wood racquet, you're too old, stupid, nostalgic and senile to scare up a rational thought, and should, therefore, be barred from posting polls on TT.

I hope we can agree.

PS: you don't do your name-calling self any favors by leaving Karlovic out of your list... just sayin..

 

[Limpinhitter]

Great post.

Likewise, there should be an age limit on who should be allowed to post/respond to polls on TT. if you ever played with a new wood racquet, you're too old, stupid, nostalgic and senile to scare up a rational thought, and should, therefore, be barred from posting polls on TT.

I hope we can agree.

PS: you don't do your name-calling self any favors by leaving Karlovic out of your list... just sayin..

Yes, ingorance and inexperience have always been the mark of wisdom among the ignorant and inexperienced. Karlovic hasn't earned a place on my list! Ooops! You dropped your pacifier!

 

[fed_rulz]

...Karlovic hasn't earned a place on my list...

... which is an obvious sign that your mental faculties (especially ones of intellect, reasoning and inference) are on a decline due to aging.. perhaps, it's time for you to retire, and leaving the squabbling and polls to the inexperienced and the ignorant?

 

[Limpinhitter]

... which is an obvious sign that your mental faculties (especially ones of intellect, reasoning and inference) are on a decline due to aging.. perhaps, it's time for you to retire, and leaving the squabbling and polls to the inexperienced and the ignorant?

You should do a Google search for "circular reasoning." It's the calling card of juvenile argument.

 

[FLA10s]

Yes, ingorance and inexperience have always been the mark of wisdom among the ignorant and inexperienced. Karlovic hasn't earned a place on my list! Ooops! You dropped your pacifier!

Everyone is tired of your " im wiser than everyone" act, you called me a pimpled faced ignoramaus because i didint know who frew mcmillan was. nobody gives a s*** about frew mcmillian, and nobody cares how experinced and wise you are which you seem to remind everybody of in everyone of your posts.

Later gramps.

 

[TMF]

Why left out Karlovic?
The OP doesn't even know who he is, that's why.

 

[Limpinhitter]

Everyone is tired of your " im wiser than everyone" act, you called me a pimpled faced ignoramaus because i didint know who frew mcmillan was. nobody gives a s*** about frew mcmillian, and nobody cares how experinced and wise you are which you seem to remind everybody of in everyone of your posts.

Later gramps.

You can't argue on the merits, so you make up a false premises to argue against.

Everyone? Another overstatement? You didn't just not know who Frew McMillan was, you had a smartass pejorative remark to make about him, as do all of your pimple faced, mouth breathing, pea brained, ilk about things they know little or nothing about.

Nor do I talk about my knowledge and experience in "everyone" [sic] of my posts. I do it when pimple faced, mouth breathing, pea brained ignoramuses make uninformed, unsupported comments about my posts.

What you're really sick of is being told you're wrong by someone who actually knows what he's talking about. Time to grow up, boy!

 

[FLA10s]

You can't argue on the merits, so you make up a false premises to argue against.

Everyone? Another overstatement? You didn't just not know who Frew McMillan was, you had a smartass pejorative remark to make about him, as do all of your pimple faced, mouth breathing, pea brained, ilk about things they know little or nothing about.

Nor do I talk about my knowledge and experience in "everyone" [sic] of my posts. I do it when pimple faced, mouth breathing, pea brained ignoramuses make uninformed, unsupported comments about my posts.

What you're really sick of is being told you're wrong by someone who actually knows what he's talking about.

I can just imagine you in your hover-round sitting in the corner of your room in darkness cats everywhere muttering " Back in my day Frew Mcmillian had a 2hfh and it was effective!".

If anyone my age knows who Frew Mcmillian it doesnt mean they are wise, it means they spend way to much time on wikipedia researching names they heard on a message board.

Later gramps.

 

[Lion King]

http://www.tenniscruz.com/content/view/451/1/

Average first serve speed Federer: 114-121 mph
Average first serve speed Pete Sampras: 114-123 mph

Fastest first serve speed of Roger Federer: 135 mph 2006 Australian Open
Fastest first serve speed of Pete Sampras: 135 mph 1998 US Open

FAIL!!

Fed paints the lines better than Sampras as well. Deal with it!! 16 slams > 14 slams

What matters most is the 2nd serve. Sampras had the best 2nd serve ever.

 

[pc1]

Tough choices here. Sampras used to lead the ATP in percentage of holding serve and was always among the top. He clearly had a super serve but the reason he held so often I believe is that he backed it up so well with his other shots.

Ivanisovic used to awe me with his serve. It almost seemed like he could hold serve regularly without hitting any other shot after he hits his serve. I know that's not true but his serve was so effective that it often seemed that way. Goran still holds the records for most aces in a year I believe.

Roddick leads the ATP regularly in percentage of holding serve and I think he had the record until Karlovic broke it.

Someone not on this list Pancho Gonzalez was often regarded as having the best serve ever. Vic Braden, the renown tennis coach and who also has done many computer analysis of tennis strokes believed Gonzalez would be in the 140 range in serving. That was in his book Tennis 2000.

To be honest I don't think Federer should be on the list. Sure, he's an excellent server and he often among the leaders in percentage of holding serve but I'm not sure if he's ever led the ATP while Roddick and Karlovic have a number of times. And let's face it, Roddick and Karlovic don't have need the other strokes to back up their serve like Federer.

For the Open Era, as of now you would have to say Sampras, considering the many years he's led the ATP in holding serve.

However if you were a person who had awful strokes for an ATP pro, I think I would pick Goran or Karlovic because I think I would get a lot of aces and service winners to win games without doing much work.

Because I like Goran so much, I'll go with Goran over Karlovic in this situation.

All time, you would have to pick Gonzalez and Sampras for now.

Karlovic incidentally is very impressive in that he holds serve so often and I think his strokes are awful.

 

[federerGOAT]

as others have said, today's speed guns are juiced, just as the cricket ones are.

nadal's serve doesn't belong in a best serve ever discussion. but it is the most underrated serve on tour. he gets more and more cheap points from it, and the swerve he gets means the receiver has to hit an exceptional shot to get on the attack from it. not a weapon, then, or an ace machine, but the best point-starter in all of world tennis right now. Murray himself said it was much harder to return that you might think, and he is at least one of the top 3 returners in the world.

Proof? Or it didn't happen.

 

[fed_rulz]

You should do a Google search for "circular reasoning." It's the calling card of juvenile argument.

LOL, perhaps you should look it up first, because you're the one calling anyone disagreeing with you as a "pimple-faced, mouth breathing, 18-yr old ignoramus". Talk about using a premise ("any one who thinks the current era is better than the past must be a pimple-faced...") to support another premise ("i'm always right..."). Me, I'm just paying you in kind.

 

[Limpinhitter]

I can just imagine you in your hover-round sitting in the corner of your room in darkness cats everywhere muttering " Back in my day Frew Mcmillian had a 2hfh and it was effective!".

If anyone my age knows who Frew Mcmillian it doesnt mean they are wise, it means they spend way to much time on wikipedia researching names they heard on a message board.

Later gramps.

FLA10, the posterboy of the young and incurious in the age of spoon fed electronica! Well, at least now we know why you don't what you're talking about.

BTW, you missed the issue again, which was "ugly effective shots." You declaimed the universal ugliness of two handed forehands. (How many have you seen?). I never saw Pancho Segura's legendary 2hfh live, only in photos. So, I profferred Frew McMillan. He and Bob Hewitt were one of the most successful doubles teams of all time. Frew hit 2 handed on both sides, groundies and volleys, and, IMO, his 2 handers were aesthetically beautiful to watch. I tried to find a video of him to show you but couldn't find any.

And, BTW, on the occasion that I do get out of my Hover-round, I could probably smoke you in anything up to 100 yards.