Could any Big 3 member could beat Prime Bruguera on Clay and Prime PETE on Carpet in the same season?

[Kralingen]

Place them in say 1994 or 1996 or something, could any Big 3 member beat Sergi Bruguera at the mega slow 90s French Open and also Pete Sampras on lightning fast carpet at the YEC?

Caveat: they would have to do it in the same season.

Who would do it?

 

[Strale]

Djokovic is the only player who defeated clay goat and one of the best grass players multiple times on their preferred surfaces...If there is anyone qualified for the challenge that would be him.

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

Sampras-Nadal in a fast indoor seems to be too much of a lopsided contest, as much as Rafa vs Sampras on clay. If Rafa couldn't beat Fedovic on indoor HC, Sampras might have been an even bigger challenge. Anyway it's a hypothetical, who knows Rafa could've pulled off an upset

Federer and Djokovic can definitely beat Bruguera and Sampras in those respective surfaces. Djokovic would struggle more against Sampras than Fed but he would be able to pull off some victories.

 

[PilotPete]

Agassi?

 

[NAS]

Do Goran of 95 count?

 

[pj80]

Do Goran of 95 count?

if Goran can do it, why not big 3

 

[NAS]

if Goran can do it, why not big 3

Technically Goran didnt defeat Sampras at Grand slam cup, he was given walkover

 

[NAS]

Come to think about it, wasn't Chang defeated Sergi in RG 95, I am pretty sure he defeated Sampras in yec

 

[NAS]

Oh yeah checked it Chang defeated Sergi in semi

 

[Rogerer]

Djokovic is the only player who defeated clay goat and one of the best grass players multiple times on their preferred surfaces...If there is anyone qualified for the challenge that would be him.

He never won Halle(and queens) . The only tournament post 2006 on the real grass(or similar at the real grass)

 

[aldeayeah]

Pete beat Sergi on clay and vice versa on HC

Specialization is overrated

 

[Sunny014]

Nobody can do it.

Seregei Bruguera can only be beaten by Nadal and Nadal cannot beat Sampras on carpets&grass
Federer can beat Sampras on carpets&grass but he cannot beat Sergei Bruguera on Clay.

Djokovic has some chance of sneaking in wins but chances are very very very less....

 

[Kralingen]

Pete beat Sergi on clay and vice versa on HC

Specialization is overrated

Come to think about it, wasn't Chang defeated Sergi in RG 95, I am pretty sure he defeated Sampras in yec

Delete these posts please they conflict with the narrative, thank you very much.

 

[NAS]

He never won Halle(and queens) . The only tournament post 2006 on the real grass(or similar at the real grass)

Yeah recent winner of these great winner have bigger peak at grass lol
Florian mayer, Coric and Humbert has won in last five edition of Halle with Zverev in two final.
Lopez won queen at 36 and 38

 

[NAS]

Nobody can do it.

Seregei Bruguera can only be beaten by Nadal and Nadal cannot beat Sampras on carpets&grass
Federer can beat Sampras on carpets&grass but he cannot beat Sergei Bruguera on Clay.

Djokovic has some chance of sneaking in wins but chances are very very very less....

Chang and Goran nearly did it but big 3 cant lol

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Delete these posts please they conflict with the narrative, thank you very much.

Just amend prime to peak. Beating 1994 RG Bruguera + 1994 YEC Sampras is quite a greater task.

 

[NAS]

Just amend prime to peak. Beating 1994 RG Bruguera + 1994 YEC Sampras is quite a greater task.

Now that is a great assumption

 

[Jonesy]

Only Nadal.

 

[NAS]

Sergi can loose to many players on clay even in 92,93,94 outside RG but beating Sampras on carpet can be really tough in these three year.
Actually the tougher assumption should be Sergi at RG and Sampras in yec, then I can see nobody from big three

 

[Kralingen]

Just amend prime to peak. Beating 1994 RG Bruguera + 1994 YEC Sampras is quite a greater task.

Is it so crazy to say that Lendl, not any of the Big 3, actually has the best chance?

 

[NAS]

Is it so crazy to say that Lendl, not any of the Big 3, actually has the best chance?

No

 

[Strale]

He never won Halle(and queens) . The only tournament post 2006 on the real grass(or similar at the real grass)

ok

 

[Rogerer]

Nobody can do it.

Seregei Bruguera can only be beaten by Nadal and Nadal cannot beat Sampras on carpets&grass
Federer can beat Sampras on carpets&grass but he cannot beat Sergei Bruguera on Clay.

Djokovic has some chance of sneaking in wins but chances are very very very less....

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[Rogerer]

ok

Djoko never won on the real grass and he never won 9 Australian open on rebound ace or the grass

 

[Kralingen]

Djoko never won on the real grass and he never won 9 Australian open on rebound ace or the grass

Please this is not about those two slams.

however - if we’re going to use this logic, Nadal never won on green clay and Federer never won a YEC on carpet, so they must be frauds.

 

[Sunny014]

Please this is not about those two slams.

however - if we’re going to use this logic, Nadal never won on green clay and Federer never won a YEC on carpet, so they must be frauds.

Federer has 70% win record on carpets
He will do it in any era..

 

[Rogerer]

Please this is not about those two slams.

however - if we’re going to use this logic, Nadal never won on green clay and Federer never won a YEC on carpet, so they must be frauds.

Fed is born the wrong era for his style of game

 

[mental midget]

federer of course, novak probably. i think roger is actually better than novak at getting big serves on fast surfaces into play, although novak is obviously the better returner overall.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Is it so crazy to say that Lendl, not any of the Big 3, actually has the best chance?

Lendl sure has a top peak barring grass, like Borg barring outdoor HC, or Sampras/Federer barring clay. Going for clay + indoors, Borg and Lendl are the most equipped.

 

[Rogerer]

federer of course, novak probably. i think roger is actually better than novak at getting big serves on fast surfaces into play, although novak is obviously the better returner overall.

The problem is Bruguera

 

[mental midget]

The problem is Bruguera

he was great, but hard to say roger wouldn't have his chances. 'peak for peak' i'd put money on roger to win more than he lost against him. jmo.

 

[ForehandRF]

I can't help but imagine Nadal returning Pete's serve from so far behind the baseline

 

[aldeayeah]

Oh yeah checked it Chang defeated Sergi in semi

Doesn't count, that day Sergi was injured, unmotivated, his parents divorced, and his dog ran over by Muster's BMW.

 

[NAS]

Doesn't count, that day Sergi was injured, unmotivated, his parents divorced, and his dog ran over by Muster's BMW.

Good I like it

 

[Kralingen]

Fed is born the wrong era for his style of game

Djoko never won on the real grass and he never won 9 Australian open on rebound ace or the grass

Disagree with both of your points tbh.

#1 - Djokovic never played on real grass and played 3 Rebound Ace AOs at the age of 18, 19 and 20. So, this is like saying that Nadal never won on green clay or Fed on carpet. They basically never played on the surface lol. Of course they didn’t win. What kind of point is that?

#2- Fed was a better baseliner than he was a serve+volleyer, simple as. He has insane talent but honestly think the 2000s conditions were the absolutely perfect storm for him. I agree in 2010s the slower conditions hurt him, but I think the mid 2000s were absolutely optimal for his style, which coincidentally allowed him to win 15 slams. Doesn’t sound like the wrong era to me.

 

[NAS]

Fed is born the wrong era for his style of game

Certainly not winning 20 in 90s, that may suit his game but will be less slam overall

 

[Rogerer]

Lendl sure has a top peak barring grass, like Borg barring outdoor HC, or Sampras/Federer barring clay. Going for clay + indoors, Borg and Lendl are the most equipped.

Borg was really on outdoor HC. He lost the finals against mcenroe in 1980 was robbed by line umpire

 

[aldeayeah]

Good I like it

so did Muster

 

[Strale]

Djoko never won on the real grass and he never won 9 Australian open on rebound ace or the grass

Ok,whatever helps you sleep at night

 

[Rogerer]

Certainly not winning 20 in 90s, that may suit his game but will be slam overall

His best matches are Wimbledon 2003 SF and Wimbledon 2006 QF(and others on fast hard like rod 2007 or us open 2004 f). Both against a servebot/SV player

 

[Roddickulous1]

1995 Michael Chang basically destroys this thread lol.

 

[Kralingen]

1995 Michael Chang basically destroys this thread lol.

You @aldeayeah and @NAS are utter buzzkills.

i was trying to bait TTW users into saying that one or more of the Big 3 is inferior to the 5’7” Michael Chang on 90s courts. By the looks of it, this was actually working pretty well. You had to ruin the fun.

have you no adventure in your hearts?

 

[The Blond Blur]

If it’s their prime versions then Fedovic aren’t beating Sergi, and you can forget about RAFA beating PETE indoors. But my OG fav Chang (the BOAT) could/did

 

[NAS]

His best matches are Wimbledon 2003 SF and Wimbledon 2006 QF(and others on fast hard like rod 2007 or us open 2004 f). Both against a servebot/SV player

And he lost first round to Ancic in 2002, you are not getting my point, Fed will love 90s condition but he will not win 20 slam in that era

 

[Rogerer]

And he lost first round to Ancic in 2002, you are not getting my point, Fed will love 90s condition but he will not win 20 slam in that era

This is the wrost era for federer real game

 

[NAS]

If it’s their prime versions then Fedovic aren’t beating Sergi, and you can forget about RAFA beating PETE indoors.

Peak yes, prime no, If Chang and Goran can defeat Sergi on clay, then Fed and Novak certainly can.

 

[NAS]

This is the wrost era for federer real game

And he has the 20 slam, I may be repeating many time but he is not winning 20 slam in 90s , none of the big three

 

[Rogerer]

And he has the 20 slam, I amy be repeating many time but he is not winning 20 slam in 90s , none of the big three

Fed is 60s player like agassi is a modern player, but fed would win 20 slams in the 90

 

[ForehandRF]

You @aldeayeah and @NAS are utter buzzkills.

i was trying to bait TTW users into saying that one or more of the Big 3 is inferior to the 5’7” Michael Chang on 90s courts. By the looks of it, this was actually working pretty well. You had to ruin the fun.

have you no adventure in your hearts?

Lol, don't get inspired by RS

 

[The Blond Blur]

Peak yes, prime no, If Chang and Goran can defeat Sergi on clay, then Fed and Novak certainly can.

Well prime Sergi essentially is peak Sergi lol. In 93-95 his RG results were: W, W, SF (lost to Chang). He was never the same after that ankle injury in 96.