declining fed: how many slams would x year fed have won 03-07

[dominikk1985]

Fed won 11 slams from 03-07 and there is no doubt that he has declined but also of course guys like novak and nadal are really strong opponents.


if you look at level of play how many slams would fed have won during that time frame with his

-08 level
-09 level
-10 level
-11 level
-12 level
-13 level
-14 level

I say 08 and 09 fed would have won 11 slams too. he might have declined a tiny bit but still not enough to let guys like hewitt or roddick beat him.

2010 would have been interesting because he started to lose to players other than nadal. I still think he would have won most USO and wimby but probably lost some too. I say he would have won about 8-9 slams or so.

in 2011 his decline really started to hit. he would have still won some USO and wimby but probably lost 1-2 to prime roddick too. he probably still wins some AO because the AO field was so weak at that time. he also might to lose a USO to agassi. I say about 6 slams or so.

in 2012 he did better at the slams than in 2011. I also think about 6-7 slams

2013 was his weakest year riddled by injuries. at that level I can't see him winning more than 2-3 slams in the 03-07 field

2014 he is better than last year but probably weaker than 2012. I think 4-5 slams, as he is still a force at wimbledon and the HC field was not as good as it is now.

 

[augustobt]

You joking, right? Fed 2008 would've lost to Roddick in 2007 Australian Open easily as well as 2004 Wimbledon Final (that if wasn't the rain delays probably would've gone to distance).

 

[dominikk1985]

You joking, right? Fed 2008 would've lost to Roddick in 2007 Australian Open easily as well as 2004 Wimbledon Final (that if wasn't the rain delays probably would've gone to distance).

the AO where never roddicks best tournament. in 2007 he hardly won some games against fed. no way roddick would have beaten 08 fed in australia.

he might have edged out a wimbledon win against fed though.

 

[augustobt]

Of course he hasn't hardly won some games because 2007 Federer at the AO was his peakest level of that year. And Roddick was playing really good in that tournament.

 

[NatF]

2008 - Federer wins Wimbledon every year but 2007 and maybe 2004, wins USO in 05 and 06. Roddick and Agassi stop him in the quarter finals in 2004 and 2007 IMO. No FO or AO's.

2009 - Federer wins the AO in 04, 06 and 07. The French Open in 04 is a possibility but the only one I think. He wins Wimbledon in 2005, 2006 - 2004 and 2007 are a toss up. I think he wins one of them. He might win 2/4 USO's. I don't think Del Potro was playing necessarily better than a few of the guys Federer had to beat on his runs.

10 - He wins the AO in 04, 06 and 07. No French Opens and no Wimbledons. Don't think he wins the any USO either - perhaps one.

11 - Rog has a shot at the AO in a couple of years, could easily lose out on them all. FO I think he wins 2004 and has a decent shot at Rafa in 05 and 2006. Maybe Wimbledon in 05 and 06. He gets the USO in 2005 and 2006. Toss up with Roddick in 2007 at the QF stage.

12 - He wins the AO in 04, 06 and 07. Doesn't win the French. Wins Wimbledon in 05 and 06. No USO's.

13 - He wins the AO in 2006 and maybe 2007. No other slams.

14 - AO in 06/07, no French, Wimbledon in 2005 and 2006...

So by my count which will probably come under close scrunchy.

2008 - Federer wins 4-5

2009 - Federer wins 8-9.

2010 - Federer wins 4

2011 - Federer wins 7

2012 - Federer wins 5

2013 - Federer wins 2

2014 - Federer wins 4, outside of the USO.

Most of those apart from 2014 and 2011 are similar what he did do if we divide those totals by 4.

 

[The_Order]

2008 - Federer wins Wimbledon every year but 2007 and maybe 2004, wins USO in 05 and 06. Roddick and Agassi stop him in the quarter finals in 2004 and 2007 IMO. No FO or AO's.

2009 - Federer wins the AO in 04, 06 and 07. The French Open in 04 is a possibility but the only one I think. He wins Wimbledon in 2005, 2006 - 2004 and 2007 are a toss up. I think he wins one of them. He might win 2/4 USO's. I don't think Del Potro was playing necessarily better than a few of the guys Federer had to beat on his runs.

10 - He wins the AO in 04, 06 and 07. No French Opens and no Wimbledons. Don't think he wins the any USO either - perhaps one.

11 - Rog has a shot at the AO in a couple of years, could easily lose out on them all. FO I think he wins 2004 and has a decent shot at Rafa in 05 and 2006. Maybe Wimbledon in 05 and 06. He gets the USO in 2005 and 2006. Toss up with Roddick in 2007 at the QF stage.

12 - He wins the AO in 04, 06 and 07. Doesn't win the French. Wins Wimbledon in 05 and 06. No USO's.

13 - He wins the AO in 2006 and maybe 2007. No other slams.

14 - AO in 06/07, no French, Wimbledon in 2005 and 2006...

So by my count which will probably come under close scrunchy.

2008 - Federer wins 4-5

2009 - Federer wins 8-9.

2010 - Federer wins 4

2011 - Federer wins 7

2012 - Federer wins 5

2013 - Federer wins 2

2014 - Federer wins 4, outside of the USO.

Most of those apart from 2014 and 2011 are similar what he did do if we divide those totals by 4.

The question was from 03-07. You left out all the possible slams he would've won in 03 which would've been more.

 

[NatF]

The question was from 03-07. You left out all the possible slams he would've won in 03 which would've been more.

That's because the OP said he won 11 slams, he won 12 in 03-07.

Agassi, Ferrero and Roddick were all great at the slams they won in 2003. So I don't think his total goes up by too much. No one claims his best tennis was in 2003 in general anyway so I don't think it's particularly fair to call lump it together with 04-07. He had a few years post 2007 that were better than 2003.

 

[90's Clay]

Shows how pathetic the competition was from 03-07 when past prime severely slowed down Fed of 2010-present is winning at least 2 slams a year still with the competition from back then.

Fed fans are doing a great job of presenting and admitting the crapola era that was 2003-2007.:lol:

 

[NatF]

Shows how pathetic the competition was from 03-07 when past prime severely slowed down Fed of 2010-present is winning at least 2 slams a year still with the competition from back then.

Fed fans are doing a great job of presenting and admitting the crapola era that was 2003-2007.:lol:

Don't get me started on how many he'd win in the 90's :lol:

 

[augustobt]

Shows how pathetic the competition was from 03-07 when past prime severely slowed down Fed of 2010-present is winning at least 2 slams a year still with the competition from back then.

Fed fans are doing a great job of presenting and admitting the crapola era that was 2003-2007.:lol:

Funny. Pre-prime headcase Federer beaten Sampras on grass. Imagine what an experienced and mentally monstrous Federer would.

 

[90's Clay]

Funny. Pre-prime headcase Federer beaten Sampras on grass. Imagine what an experienced and mentally monstrous Federer would.

Pre prime 2001 Federer (Playing beyond his years for that match in 2001) would wipe the floor with any post prime Fed.

His movement was 10 times more crisp, he actually had an all court game where his net game was more potent then (he wasn't just a baseline strategy guy), the pace on his shots were far better, he did more overall his shots, he had way more speed etc.

 

[NatF]

Pre prime 2001 Federer (Playing beyond his years for that match in 2001) would wipe the floor with any post prime Fed.

His movement was 10 times more crisp, he actually had an all court game where his net game was more potent then (he wasn't just a baseline strategy guy), the pace on his shots were far better, he did more overall his shots, he had way more speed etc.

So 2001 was the strong era? Federer was just stopped by the tough competition :O

In the worlds of Pete Sampras after he won the US Open in 2002.

"Everyone was getting better when I was No 1 in the world and winning majors left and right. I was 10 times the player as I got older. When I was dominating I didn't have any bad matches and players overall weren't as good. The 2002 US Open Pete would beat the 1994 or 1995 Pete easily."

 

[Federer20042006]

08 Federer:

Likely wins Wimbledon in 03-05, but 06-07 are tossups. Nadal wasn't appreciably better at Wimbledon in 08 than he was in in 07-06. 08 Federer just played worse, since he wasn't moving as well (especially as 06 Federer) and his backhand was terrible most of the 08 final. I'll give him 4 here.

US Open, I think 08Federer wins 03 and 05-07. I think Agassi beats him in 04. I'll give him 4 here.

Australian Open, I think 08 Federer wins 0 in 03-07. Nalbandian takes him out in 04, Davydenko takes him out in 06, Gonzo takes him out in 07. Safin in 05, of course. Nalbandian in 03. If 08 Federer was pushed by a really good player, he just didn't have the stamina and form coming off the mono delay to pull out the win, I don't think. 0.

French Open: Possibly 03. Kuerten still beats him in 04. We all know what happens in 05-07. 1.

9 Slams for 08Federer in 03-07.


2009 Federer:

Wimbledon: He had worse form in 09 Wimbledon than in 08. I think he wins 03 and 05, and that's it. Roddick beats 09 Federer in 04. Ancic beats 09 Federer in 2006, and Nadal beats 09 Federer in 2007. 2 here.

US Open: Again, Federer wins all in 03-07 except for 2004, where Agassi beats him. 4 here.

Australian Open: Hard to project plexicushion era to the shotmaker Rebound Ace era. Here, at least he was feeling healthy in comparison to 2008. I guess I'll give him 03, 04, 06, and 07, though there are a couple of Nalbandian matches in there that I can't be overly sure of.Giving him the benefit of a doubt. 4.

French Open: Again, 2003 and that's it. 1.

11 slams for 2009 Federer in 03-07.


2010 Federer:

Wimbledon: None. Beginning of Suckville for Federer's ground strokes on grass. Lopez beats him in 03, Hewitt in 04, Hewitt in 05, Ancic in 06, Nadal in 07.

US Open: Nalbandian takes him out in 03, I think. Agassi beats him in 4 in 2004. I could still see him winning 05, and perhaps 06 with great difficulty (think in that 10USO form he still may have been able to solve the Roddick puzzle, handle Hewitt, find a way to beat Davydenko, even if it requires simply waiting for him to have a mental lapse, and handle a Nalbandian who checks out). But I don't think he'd get all 3 of 05-07 in that form, whether it's Davydenko or Djokovic taking him out in 07, or Davydenko or Roddick in 06. So I say he wins 2 here.

Australian Open: Really good plexicushion form. Again, I'll give him 4 - 03, 04, 06, 07.

French Open: None. He was playing OK at the French that year, but he'd had a pretty lousy clay season in general. Ferrero would be too good in 03 for 2010 Federer at the French, I think.

6 Slams for 2010 Federer in 03-07.


2011 Federer:

Wimbledon: I still say none. He didn't impress me in the early rounds...his serve was pretty much the only thing keeping him afloat. Similar to 2014. Don't let "5 sets" fool you - he didn't "almost beat" Tsonga, he wasn't even close. The 3 sets after the first 2 were a straight set beatdown, with Federer unable to touch the Tsonga serve and Tsonga just swinging freely at Federer's serve for one break before coasting. Those last 3 sets looked like Sampras vs. a journeyman in the 90s. If Tsonga had wanted to, he likely could have broken Federer more in those sets, I felt. Federer had only 1 break point on the Tsonga serve the entire match - which he converted in the 1st.

US Open: He was in damn fine form here, I'll admit. I'll give him every one from 03-07. 5.

Australian Open: He seemed bulkier and to my eyes, wasn't moving as well at that weight. Didn't play the greatest tennis. I don't think he'd have won any in 03-07 shotmaker rebound ace era, as Nalbandian would've been better in 03-04, Safin in 05, of course, Davydenko in 06, and Gonzo in 07. None.

French Open: Damn fine form, but still not enough to beat Nadal. However, perhaps this version could have taken out Kuerten. I'll give him 03 and 04 for 2.

7 slams for 2011 Federer in 03-07.


2012 Federer:

Wimbledon: While he was physically limited there, he did hit some awesome backhands, had some great serving performances, and finally against Murray, his net play and variety also clicked into place. I could see him winning in 03, but in that kind of shape, I think he loses to Hewitt in 04, to Hewitt in 05, Ancic in 06, and Nadal in 07. 1 here.

US Open: Played a horrible match vs. Berdych that was either the result of being afraid of Berdych, or Federer just playing a horrendous match. Either way, Berdych's hitting didn't decide the outcome in that one...Federer wouldn't let him. It was Federer hitting a bazillion errors. I can't be sure, but I say none from 03-07 based on the Federer who showed up that day.

Australian Open: This was a very good tournament for him. The Nadal/Djokovic combo in the end made it impossible to win, however. I'll give him 03, 04, 06, and 07. 4 here.

French Open: Form was a bit patchy, but not terrible. Still, can't give him the edge over Ferrero or Kuerten this time. 0.

5 slams for 2012 Federer in 03-07.

2013 Federer:

Wimbledon: Pfff. Please.

US Open: Pfff. Please.

Australian Open: Played solid, but nothing special. Still seemed to me to be a bit gassed from his 2012 season. I don't think he'd have had enough in the tank to beat Nalbandian, Nalbandian, Safin, Davydenko, or Gonzo. 0.

French Open: Please. From getting out-hit by Simon to blown off the court by Tsonga.

0 slams for 2013 Federer in 03-07.

2014 Federer:

Wimbledon: I don't think this year's Federer would've been good enough to win any of them. How the final with Djokovic was as close as it was, I have no idea, but Federer's ground game was virtually non-existent this year.

US Open: TBD...

Australian Open: This was actually really good form from him. That said, Tsonga and Murray being out of form also helped. Think he was a bit more vulnerable than he appeared. I don't think he actually wins any of the AOs from 03-07 in the shotmaker era, though. Over 5 sets, other guys back then could've done it better than he could this year at that tournament. Nice ball striking but he would need more than that.

French Open: None. Coming off having twin boys and just not really seeming to believe he was gonna do anything at that tournament.

0 slams for 2014 Federer in 03-07.

 

[dominikk1985]

Don't get me started on how many he'd win in the 90's :lol:

you can start a thread

 

[NatF]

you can start a thread

I shouldn't of even responded to 90's troll.

 

[augustobt]

Pre prime 2001 Federer (Playing beyond his years for that match in 2001) would wipe the floor with any post prime Fed.

His movement was 10 times more crisp, he actually had an all court game where his net game was more potent then (he wasn't just a baseline strategy guy), the pace on his shots were far better, he did more overall his shots, he had way more speed etc.

Maybe because the courts of that time were way more faster than nowadays. plus, showing how good can Federer adapt to the circumstances, unlike someone we know.

 

[dominikk1985]

Funny. Pre-prime headcase Federer beaten Sampras on grass. Imagine what an experienced and mentally monstrous Federer would.

and then fed lost to tim henman in 4. Fed was already showing glimpses of his great talent then but I think that victory showed more about sampras decline than about federer.