Determining my optimum swingweight??
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kramer woodie
Professional
zill
I have always played with heavy static weight racquets, north of 12-13 ounces and in the old days 14-15 ounces. I recently after playing with Yonex
330 Duel Gs at 12.4 to 12.9 ounces (I think the swing weight is 334) I switched to the new Yonex SV98+ (plus) 27.5 inch length. The SV98+ weighs 11.4
ounces strung is an ounce lighter than the Duel G, but has a higher swing weight of 340.
So, I am a firm believer in the theory, fine a light racquet you can increase the swing weight to at least 335 or more, or just try a SV98+ as it is the
most usable racquet I have played, IMO.
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Usually it's north of 355.
zill
Legend
So you like light static weight racquets but high swingweight?
zill
Legend
Can be even balance
Zoolander
Hall of Fame
Dont. Pros play that heavy because they're pros. You dont need more than that if your not playing pros, and thats all your comfortable with. I like a SW in the 320-330 range and the only time i have ever felt i needed more was playing very low powered racquets, or very occasionally someone with a heavy serve.
Do you ever actually FEEL like you need more mass?
Do you ever actually FEEL like you need more mass?
bkfinch
Semi-Pro
Little by little gradually increase weight on the hoop of your racket, and counterbalance to maintain the balance you are used to/increase recoil weight. 12:00 (10:00-2:00) will increase it the most with the least increase to static mass. 3/9 will increase it less than 12 but increase twistweight, the latter which seems to contribute to a racket feeling 'heavy' more than swingweight in itself IMO. But it gives more stability on off center hits and a wider sweetspot. So weight at the sides should be the last step, unless you know you are a twistweight fiend.
It's important that you are able to calculate your swingweight on your own so you know what you're playing with. Try starting with 330?? then build from there. I made the jump from ~327-9 to 340 in one go, was a surprise but I started to feel over the course of a hit how nice it was.
I would think your limit is the highest value you reach before you stop being able to play effective tennis.
2nd Serve Ace
Hall of Fame
The pros are hitting against....other PROs! That's why they use what they do.
SW of 324 is fine and it seems like you already know that.
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Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
The only way you are going to find out is to go out there and test it out for at least 2 weeks and then you might have some answers. I use static strung weight of 360g and 330 SW because I find that it's best for my wrist and elbow. I am also happy to use anything between 324 and 330 without much problem, but going lower then that is not maximising the potential. Going into the 340's and beyond I would be very careful. There are some really light static frames with really high swingweights (like 370) and this is something I wouldn't like. Your shoulder might tell you as well if the seingweight is wrong and your ability to return serve with topspin.
I know one guy who upped his seingweight too much and he lost the ability to swing quickly at the ball and get spin and he started blocking and slicing everything.
I know one guy who upped his seingweight too much and he lost the ability to swing quickly at the ball and get spin and he started blocking and slicing everything.
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
10 pts is approx 3g at 12pm. So add that and then add 3g of putty in the trap door. Its a bit more nuanced than that as you add more weight but given the slight increase in weight (6g total) you should be ok.
Try it out and see. Lead and putty is removeable. Also you can keep adding after that in 1g increments till it starts to feel sluggish. Then let me know and i can help fix that
Also you can increase swingweight by making the racquet longer. For some it can be a good thing as you get low weight and high swing weight. Personally that was never as good as swing weight from mass.
kramer woodie
Professional
zill
I personally would not drop below 11 ounces. So lighter weight does not necessarily mean light. My point was a lighter racquet can have more
swing weight, which means more power, spin and control if you can handle a more head heavy racquet. In the case of the Yonex SV98+ the advertised
balance is 5 points head light, where as the Duel G 330g is 7 points head light. Negligible different in amount of head weight, but very noticeable by
performance. Also, the extra 1/2 inch in length increases reach, power, and spin on groundstrokes and serves. Some people have trouble when
volleying, but I don't.
Aloha
donquijote
G.O.A.T.
Improve your game and you will know when you need a heavier racquet.
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Why are you trying to derail this experiment?Shroud did not mention MgR/I ~ 21 and then tuned so that the frame swings without effort. Your magic ratio may not be 21, but it probably is somewhere near it.
And fwiw i did mention it just indirectly. And you are right
esgee48
G.O.A.T.
I'm not. I am trying to educate the OP. Just blindly increasing SW/TW until the frame is unusable is an unreliable way to make changes. OP should try to understand why a ratio of SW, mass and balance may be a target to aim for. You understand that the frame should swing a certain way and you make your mods based on that. You aim for a target ratio which is what I also do.
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Makes sense. Though lead at 12 doesnt really affect twist weight. Is it all that blind if he has a target and goes slow??
And hey, how do you think i found that target? Even a blind squirrel....
Finding your optimum SW is not easy. I have tried SW's ranging from 320-360.
From my personal experiences, its difficult to say how high of a SW you can go without it being laborious. Its actually easier for me to know if a SW is too low because it takes more effort to get the ball deep as the racquet just lacks the power and plow and you need to compensate with RHS. Once I know I can get the ball deep without too much effort, that's where the tuning starts to get tricky. I find that even at 5'5" I can play well with a SW of 360+. However I've never really tried playing with a 360+ SW for a prolonged period of time so its just a question for me if just because I can play with a SW of 360+ that I necessarily have to use a SW of 360+.
I personally can't tell much of a difference with a SW of 340-360 so Ive been sticking with SW's in the region of 340, despite data showing its probably better to play with a high SW in the 350+ region, or travlerajm shroud sw's aka 370/380+ and the SW2 theory.
If only there was a calculator to determine your optimum SW eh? And no Im not talking about MGR/I, problem is I cant tell the difference between 21 and 21.2 MGR/I either.
From my personal experiences, its difficult to say how high of a SW you can go without it being laborious. Its actually easier for me to know if a SW is too low because it takes more effort to get the ball deep as the racquet just lacks the power and plow and you need to compensate with RHS. Once I know I can get the ball deep without too much effort, that's where the tuning starts to get tricky. I find that even at 5'5" I can play well with a SW of 360+. However I've never really tried playing with a 360+ SW for a prolonged period of time so its just a question for me if just because I can play with a SW of 360+ that I necessarily have to use a SW of 360+.
I personally can't tell much of a difference with a SW of 340-360 so Ive been sticking with SW's in the region of 340, despite data showing its probably better to play with a high SW in the 350+ region, or travlerajm shroud sw's aka 370/380+ and the SW2 theory.
If only there was a calculator to determine your optimum SW eh? And no Im not talking about MGR/I, problem is I cant tell the difference between 21 and 21.2 MGR/I either.
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Good post. My 2 cents is to slowly increase sw and see. And fwiw i recall that MgR/I might be grip dependent. I think its noticed less with SemiWestern grips or something.
Also i think one can bulk up a bit over time and play with higher swing weights
SW2 got me going on higher swing weights.
BlueB
Legend
zill
Legend
Just want to improve my tennis
zill
Legend
Good to know
mnttlrg
Professional
If you are a pro, you need to be able to redirect a serve moving at 130-plus MPH. They need those higher swingweights for that. Recreational players need to be able to redirect up to 100 MPH at most, which you can still do with a 310 swing weight if you have correct form / functional strength.
Most of the guys who think they need ultra heavy rackets are really trying to compensate for slow swings, bad movement, bad balance, poor shot selection, poor technique, etc.
Read the recent thread about big hitters with light rackets. I think other people did a good job on there of saying what I'm saying.
Most of the guys who think they need ultra heavy rackets are really trying to compensate for slow swings, bad movement, bad balance, poor shot selection, poor technique, etc.
Read the recent thread about big hitters with light rackets. I think other people did a good job on there of saying what I'm saying.
mnttlrg
Professional
If you are hitting with a swing weight that is high enough to slow down your swing, it's probably sub-optimal in some particular way. But on the other hand, if you are going to hit weak and sloppy no matter what frame you use, you might be better off blocking around with a 12 ounce racket that plows and is stable with good control for slow swings.
BlueB
Legend
Yes we get that, but what are you hoping to improve from higher SW?
Depth? Power? Serve return? Blocking/bunting?
Or maybe, what part of your game are you not happy about and how it's related to SW?
Last but not least, what sort of player and ball you mostly face?
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anhboa2
Rookie
Yeah, my Coach - National level said you don't need to concern about sw as long as you don't face 5.5 level everyday.
Ps: my idea is that your optimal sw is that the one you play with for a long time, regardless its value ✌️
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I'd agree that highish swingweight is not necessary for those not playing advanced hitters, but it can still be preferable.
A very head light lowish swingweight racquet can be turned into a better and easier racquet with some lead in the tip.
The fact is that, regardless of your opponent, you can train your body to hit various specs till you see what works for you.
A very head light lowish swingweight racquet can be turned into a better and easier racquet with some lead in the tip.
The fact is that, regardless of your opponent, you can train your body to hit various specs till you see what works for you.
