Did Federer ever used a HPS 6.0

[MTXR]

I personally like the old style red buttcap vs the newer looking ones. Its just cosmetic though.

 

[Vision84]

I have 4 Hyper Pro staff 6.1s. 3 of Them have the silver Hs and the 4th has the Hs in yellow. They play exactly the same as far as I am concerned.

 

[AgassiFan12]

No that is not correct.

The HPS 6.1 also had the yellow "W" at 2 and 10 o'clock: http://web.archive.org/web/20030413205050/www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCWILSON-H61.html

The older ones may have been sliver but they changed it to yellow around the time the HPS 6.0 came out so that they would have the same paintjob. The only difference in paintjobs was that the HPS 6.1 paint was glossy while the HPS 6.0 paint was matte.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030401233514/www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCWILSON-TOUR95.html

Can you tell which is which? From just looking at them, the obvious differences are (besides the glossy vs. matte paint) the head shapes, the box vs. oval beams, the throats (the HPS 6.1 has the angled cutouts at the two top corners of the "V"), and the leather vs. synthetic grips.

In case you haven't figured it out yet, the top one is the HPS 6.1 and the bottom one is the HPS 6.0.

I stand corrected. That is rather interesting. I have 2 HPS 6.0 and have only seen pictures of the HPS 6.1 and they have always been silver...but I now know that is not true!

 

[sunflowerhx]

Before you all highjacked my thread again, here's a good pic of Feds paintjob

http://www.rogerfederer.com/data/img/0301SB_ausopen_5_2304.jpg

Going back to the HPS 6.0, I think I finally found a racket that I am truely happy with.

Its much more stable than the PS 6.0 95, and has a bit more power in my opinion. Its a shame that I cant get hold of these anymore.
Apart from the PS 6.0 95 which other frame is close to the HPS 6.0?

 

[BreakPoint]

Before you all highjacked my thread again, here's a good pic of Feds paintjob

http://www.rogerfederer.com/data/img/0301SB_ausopen_5_2304.jpg

Going back to the HPS 6.0, I think I finally found a racket that I am truely happy with.

Its much more stable than the PS 6.0 95, and has a bit more power in my opinion. Its a shame that I cant get hold of these anymore.
Apart from the PS 6.0 95 which other frame is close to the HPS 6.0?

That pic is of a PS Tour 90 with the HPS 6.0 95 Tour paintjob.

BTW, I think the Asian K90 plays a lot like the HPS 6.0 95 Tour.

 

[jakshemash]

BP, the best way to answer the question on what fed's rackets play like and what it most likely is now is to ask the ball was in to string up his actual federer racket and try to compare it to a k90 and ps 6.0 85. K90 grommetsshould fit on the actual federer racket right? If so the answer could be nigh. If it plays close to the k90 we know that fed's been using k90 or ps 60 85 composite in a k90 mold for the past 4-5 years and if not, we know that he has probs been swithchin rackets or has a custom racket.

 

[BreakPoint]

Facts:

Federer HAS been photographed using the K-Factor Tour 90's, BUT with the older ProStaff/nCode Tour 90 buttcaps.

For some reason, I still believe (personal opinion) that Federer uses the ProStaff 85 composite in the Tour 90 mold. It, in my opinion, would have more feedback/ball feel than the k90, pst90, and the n90.

So has Craig Clark (see above). Does that mean he had Federer's actual custom composite racquet from a Tour 90 mold? Of course not! The K90 he had that came with the old PS/nCode 90 buttcap played exactly the same as his other six K90's that have the new style buttcap. It's just a butt cap. I can put the old butt cap on my K90 as well. Just unwrap the grip and exchange the butt caps. They come right off. It's not an indication of anything nor does it mean anything. Please get over it.

 

[MTXR]

so fed hides his lead under the bumper guard? So his racquet weighs what again?

 

[AlpineCadet]

So has Craig Clark (see above). Does that mean he had Federer's actual custom composite racquet from a Tour 90 mold? Of course not! The K90 he had that came with the old PS/nCode 90 buttcap played exactly the same as his other six K90's that have the new style buttcap. It's just a butt cap. I can put the old butt cap on my K90 as well. Just unwrap the grip and exchange the butt caps. They come right off. It's not an indication of anything nor does it mean anything. Please get over it.

I write something that expresses my opinions, and you go out of your way to try to disprove it. Yes, please get over it, and stop trolling me.

 

[BreakPoint]

I write something that expresses my opinions, and you go out of your way to try to disprove it. Yes, please get over it, and stop trolling me.

But you keep bringing up this butt cap thing as if has any relevance. It doesn't! None! It means absolutely nothing! Whether or not Federer uses a custom composite in a Tour 90 mold or a retail K90, the butt cap won't tell you a thing! It only means that when Federer got his K90's from Wilson before the rest of the world did, they didn't have any of the new butt caps so they put the old butt caps on them, just like Craig Clark's early retail K90 from last year had the same old butt cap on it as Federer's K90. So please stop mentioning the butt cap as if it was some sort of indicator of something. It isn't. Get it now?

 

[AlpineCadet]

But you keep bringing up this butt cap thing as if has any relevance. It doesn't! None! It means absolutely nothing! Whether or not Federer uses a custom composite in a Tour 90 mold or a retail K90, the butt cap won't tell you a thing! It only means that when Federer got his K90's from Wilson before the rest of the world did, they didn't have any of the new butt caps so they put the old butt caps on them, just like Craig Clark's early retail K90 from last year had the same old butt cap on it as Federer's K90. So please stop mentioning the butt cap as if it was some sort of indicator of something. It isn't. Get it now?

So when he gets another dozen k90's this season, will they also have the older buttcaps or the newer ones?

 

[BreakPoint]

So when he gets another dozen k90's this season, will they also have the older buttcaps or the newer ones?

I think that would depend on which one Federer likes better. Personally, I don't really care which butt cap I use but some pros are very picky about their butt caps. Pros like Agassi and Sampras have their handles custom molded for shape and size so I'd bet they also have very specific butt cap requirements, too. For all I know, Federer uses a stock butt cap, but he may like the feel of one more than the other for whatever reason. But in any case, the butt cap is a separate entity from the frame, just like the strings or leather grip are, so it's in no way an indication of what frame he's using.

 

[jakshemash]

BP, don't disregard Alpine Cadets cadets opinion, especially including the buttcap. What you said would have made sense earlier in the year, but federer has switched racquets twice this year, from hard to clay and from clay to grass and each time the butt caps have had the old wilson W butt caps on them instead of the new wilson W butt caps. Maybe there is a reason federer still uses the old butt cap.

 

[BreakPoint]

What you said would have made sense earlier in the year, but federer has switched racquets twice this year, from hard to clay and from clay to grass and each time the butt caps have had the old wilson W butt caps on them instead of the new wilson W butt caps. Maybe there is a reason federer still uses the old butt cap.

Yes, he probably likes the old butt cap better for whatever reason.

BTW, do you have any proof that Federer has switched racquets twice this year?

I really don't understand why people are so concerned about Federer's butt cap? So now not only do people want to play with the same frame as Federer but now they must also use his same exact butt cap? Does anyone seriously think that the old butt cap will make someone a better player?

 

[BreakPoint]

BTW, if anyone has to have their K90's look EXACTLY like Federer's, you can just buy some of the old butt caps and replace the stock K90 butt caps with the older version. Wilson's butt cap supplier will probably continue to make them for the foreseeable future.

You can get them right here at TW: http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageACWILSON-WBCR.html


I'm guessing that since we all know Federer likes to grip his racquet at the very end of the handle with some of his palm hanging off of the end, that the feel of the butt cap is more important to him than to most other players. So perhaps he just likes the feel of the old butt cap more than the new butt cap. Pretty simple. Maybe it feels firmer to him or something. Who knows?

 

[AlpineCadet]

BTW, if anyone has to have their K90's look EXACTLY like Federer's, you can just buy some of the old butt caps and replace the stock K90 butt caps with the older version. Wilson's butt cap supplier will probably continue to make them for the foreseeable future.

You can get them right here at TW: http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageACWILSON-WBCR.html


I'm guessing that since we all know Federer likes to grip his racquet at the very end of the handle with some of his palm hanging off of the end, that the feel of the butt cap is more important to him than to most other players. So perhaps he just likes the feel of the old butt cap more than the new butt cap. Pretty simple. Maybe it feels firmer to him or something. Who knows?

Quite possibly maybe not.

Unless anyone has further proof, what Federer actually uses is still debatable.

 

[BreakPoint]

Unless anyone has further proof, what Federer actually uses is still debatable.

Well, Wilson would love for us to keep debating it since that will keep us buying every new 90 racquet that Wilson puts out in our neverending quest to find this supposed "holy grail" that Federer actually uses, which we will never find since none of us will ever play like Federer, so how would we even know when we do indeed find Federer's actual racquet?

So I guess the joke's on us.

 

[onehandbh]

I believe many pros use custom grips/pallets.

 

[dizzychump]

For what its worth, last year i got talking to a guy called Ron Yu, who strings Federers rackets.

He was very adamant that Federer was using the tour 90 with an ncode paint job.

Very interesting guy. He got the fed job on recommendation from Henman who he said is good mates with Roger.

 

[BreakPoint]

I believe many pros use custom grips/pallets.

That is correct. Many get their handles custom molded specifically to fit their hand and to their preferred grip shape.

 

[AlpineCadet]

For what its worth, last year i got talking to a guy called Ron Yu, who strings Federers rackets.

He was very adamant that Federer was using the tour 90 with an ncode paint job.

Very interesting guy. He got the fed job on recommendation from Henman who he said is good mates with Roger.

The ProStaff Tour 90? Cuz Federer has been photographed using a stock PST90.

 

[AlpineCadet]

I believe many pros use custom grips/pallets.

What about butt caps? Also, I have never heard of Federer using a custom built grip/pallet. Is this even relevant to the topic, since we're talking about Federer and not the other pros?

 

[BreakPoint]

What about butt caps? Also, I have never heard of Federer using a custom built grip/pallet.

Oh, no, will this butt cap thing ever end???

Federer obviously gets his handles custom molded since before the retail K90 came out, he was using the Tour 90 mold with a shorter handle pallet. That is a custom molded handle just for Federer (and Sampras since he gets the same racquets). They take the raw frame without the handle pallets on it and mold the shorter handle for him. (All retail racquets are also made without the handle pallets on them, but then they all get the standard retail handles molded on them later.)

Since Federer gets his handles custom molded anyway, he probably also has them made to his exact preferred size and shape.

BTW, if the Wilson Pro Room is willing to custom drill string holes for him and make custom grommet strips for him, molding custom handles for him is a relative piece of cake.

As far as the butt caps, it's also possible that the Wilson Pro Room only had the old butt caps available since they are not part of the factory where all the new butt caps are (assuming that the factory had them at the time). Or, it's possible that his butt caps are custom made to specifically fit his custom molded handles, so the Wilson Pro Room had not had the chance to custom make the new style butt caps that would fit his custom handles so they just used the old ones that they knew would fit. But can we please stop talking about butt caps, unless Nadal is in the conversation? LOL

 

[AlpineCadet]

BP, don't disregard Alpine Cadets cadets opinion, especially including the buttcap. What you said would have made sense earlier in the year, but federer has switched racquets twice this year, from hard to clay and from clay to grass and each time the butt caps have had the old wilson W butt caps on them instead of the new wilson W butt caps. Maybe there is a reason federer still uses the old butt cap.

Thanks for the support. I just find more reasons for seeing the "butt cap" issue as being more relevant than what BP makes it out to be. BTW, it's still a matter of opinion, so every idea/insight makes this topic interesting for me.

 

[AlpineCadet]

Oh, no, will this butt cap thing ever end???

Federer obviously gets his handles custom molded since before the retail K90 came out, he was using the Tour 90 mold with a shorter handle pallet. That is a custom molded handle just for Federer (and Sampras since he gets the same racquets). They take the raw frame without the handle pallets on it and mold the shorter handle for him. (All retail racquets are also made without the handle pallets on them, but then they all get the standard retail handles molded on them later.)

Since Federer gets his handles custom molded anyway, he probably also has them made to his exact preferred size and shape.

BTW, if the Wilson Pro Room is willing to custom drill string holes for him and make custom grommet strips for him, molding custom handles for him is a relative piece of cake.

As far as the butt caps, it's also possible that the Wilson Pro Room only had the old butt caps available since they are not part of the factory where all the new butt caps are (assuming that the factory had them at the time). Or, it's possible that his butt caps are custom made to specifically fit his custom molded handles, so the Wilson Pro Room had not had the chance to custom make the new style butt caps that would fit his custom handles so they just used the old ones that they knew would fit. But can we please stop talking about butt caps, unless Nadal is in the conversation? LOL

Aww, you sound so friendly today!

 

[jakshemash]

For what its worth, last year i got talking to a guy called Ron Yu, who strings Federers rackets.

He was very adamant that Federer was using the tour 90 with an ncode paint job.

Very interesting guy. He got the fed job on recommendation from Henman who he said is good mates with Roger.

Where did you meet Ron YU? What you have said is interesting as most say fed uses custom ps 85 with 90 in head but few say it is a custom tour 90.

 

[AlpineCadet]

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1545856&postcount=20
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1545891&postcount=21

Versus:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1674474&postcount=80

I don't think I ever said that the K90 lacks weight in the throat. In fact, I think it has more weight in the throat than the PS 6.0 does. I have not weighted up my AK90 to the weight of a PS 6.0 85 because I think that would make it heavier than I would prefer.

Although the K90 has more feel than the nCode 90, it still has a sort of "less than direct" feel to it as compared to the PS 6.0. The feel of the PS 6.0 is more raw. I think what Wilson did was to remove the HyperCarbon from the nCode 90 to make the K90, but they left in the nCoded graphite. The HyperCarbon combined with the nCoded graphite is what gave the nCode 90 such a muted feel. By taking out the HyperCarbon, Wilson gave more feel back to the K90, but the nCoded graphite still gives the K90 a less raw, more comfortable feel as compared to the PS 6.0. I don't think Federer's racquets ever had any HyperCarbon in them, which is why I think he's been using essentially a K90 for the past 4 years.

And if you were to read through the beginning of this thread, you wouldn't have guessed he wrote the latter response which was quoted in another thread.

He says one thing in one thread, and then the complete opposite in another thread! Go figure.

 

[BreakPoint]

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1545856&postcount=20
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1545891&postcount=21

Versus:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1674474&postcount=80




And if you were the read through the beginning of this thread, you wouldn't have guessed he wrote the latter response which was quoted in another thread.

He says one thing in one thread, and then the complete opposite in another thread! Go figure.

Huh? Sounds entirely consistent to me. You don't even realize that the PS Tour 90/nCode 90/K90 mold has a different shaped throat than the PS 6.0 85/95 do you? :roll: Irrespective of any weight differences, they are completely different designs and shapes.

Where have I stated anything that was "completely opposite"?

 

[AlpineCadet]

Just got it from the official stringing/measurement official machines here in Paris:
Weight 374grams, balance: 31,3cm
Strung with Wilson Gut mains @ 22kg(Average); AluPower crosses @ 20Kg(Average).
Someone from Wilson or Fed's team, I don't know, was here this morning to strung 16 rackets, in a range from 20kilos to 25kilos mains. The crosses ware always 2 kilos below.
All rackets with Wilson overgrip, and elasto-crosses and oil protection in the strings.
I can't see if the leather grip was Wilson leather or other.
By the way... Tony was here with the other guy, and I must say that he his a great great guy. Very nice with all of us, and very positive.
In a conversation with us, he told us that many pros, and coaches consult this forum and post many things here.
About the nCode of Roger, when I ask him about the composition of the rackett, he told me:" ... this his a copy of the legendary ProStaff 85 but with a larger head size, nothing else, because Roger plays with that racket since he was 15 or 16 years old, but because of clay courts 4 or 5 years ago, Roger have asked Wilson to make the same racket but with a bigger head size."
But the other fellow that was with him, didn't like the conversation, so I must assume that this other guy was from Wilson or so.
Nothing else or nothing more than this.

I trust ART ART, don't you?

 

[BreakPoint]

I trust ART ART, don't you?

Yes, I do. And he was talking about the nCode 90 which we all know Federer never used. He was using the K90 under the red nCode 90 paintjob at the time of that post. So what ART ART is confirming is that the K90 is a PS 6.0 85 with a larger head. And I would agree and it's what I've been telling you ad nasuem.

 

[jorel]

Huh? Sounds entirely consistent to me. You don't even realize that the PS Tour 90/nCode 90/K90 mold has a different shaped throat than the PS 6.0 85/95 do you? :roll: Irrespective of any weight differences, they are completely different designs and shapes.

Where have I stated anything that was "completely opposite"?

I have to agree with Breakpoint here.... the first time he told me that Fed used the 6.0 90 (Fed racquet) with the 6.0 95 HPS paintjob I was skeptical, but then I saw the pics.... it is clearly the 6.0 90 with the 6.0 95 HPS pj (the flanges around the throat give it away)

 

[AlpineCadet]

I have to agree with Breakpoint here.... the first time he told me that Fed used the 6.0 90 (Fed racquet) with the 6.0 95 HPS paintjob I was skeptical, but then I saw the pics.... it is clearly the 6.0 90 with the 6.0 95 HPS pj (the flanges around the throat give it away)

If you're going to dig up a thread that's been 'dead' for a good month now, you might as well dig up one more: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=157299

P.S. It doesn't matter if you agree with someone or not, that still doesn't mean it's anywhere close to being the truth. And by the way, what you quoted BP as saying is totally unrelated to what you're talking about. Good job.