The Fedfather
Legend
I agree, but it's still luck to an extent.
Djokovic: I had “a bit of luck” on Federer’s second match point at Wimbledon 2019
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Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Definitely. Novak admits this but is a mix of a bit of luck and bravery when on the brink of defeat.
Born_to_slice
Legend
Noble of Novak to play down his achievement but he won against Federer deservedly. Talking about luck is nonsense because everything that happens on court happens depending on how players move an hit the ball. Only external factor on tennis court is crowd and Fed had them all on his side and still couldn't win. (inserts one finger lady)
Sampras-Bruguera 1993
Legend
I dont know about that. The certain things in life are death, taxes, and Fed choking to Djokovic on serve to close it out.
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Fabresque
Legend
Rafa must have been embarrassing if he couldn’t win a single one during this vacuum era lol.
Texas Tennis Fan
Professional
Much like RG.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
I don’t quite agree with this but I think my view is just a more polite (and realistic) way of putting it. Both Federer and Djokovic at 32 (almost 33) were a bit past their bests, still good enough to beat all but the very best, but not quite good enough to beat the very best. So, yes, Djokovic at 27 was a tougher opponent than Thiem. But that doesn’t mean Thiem lacked ability. He just wasn’t quite the very best.
tennis_error
Professional
True, lol
The Fedfather
Legend
Wasn't Nadal Djokovic's main competition for the 2018 Wimbledon title?Nadal fans have no business whatsoever to talk about grass and some of the great grass champions of the recent times.
Entername
Professional
You realize Rafa has 6 HC majors too right lol
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Rafa's grass prime ended in 2011, period.I am sure that injured person with zero Wimbledon finals in 11 years is more worthy of stunning grass accolades.
His peak is much higher than Novak.
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Any grass achievements for Rafa after 2011 were cherry on cake. His prime on grass ended right that year.
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
It was a good form but nowhere close to prime form.
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Absolutely NOT...
RG has had serious contenders right from the get go.
Federev
Legend
Not even close.
Novak would have shown more “fight” if he’d beaten Fed when Fed was even in his early-post prime and Novak was at his peak and defending champ.
Instead he couldn’t even take Fed to 5 sets.
Every Novak victory after Fed’s 2012 dismantling of Novak has Fed at even more of a a disadvantage.
Playing 5 setters and facing match points against at post-prime Fed and when there’s barely any other grass players left (except for Murray - who had his number in 2013) is not something to hang your “mental giant” or “grass goat killer” hat on
Novak is a great champion - and a great grass court player - no question. But Fed’s grass dominance - which came and went long before Novak’s - has never been overshadowed by Novak…and if Novak wins 10 more Wimbledons like he has the last few years - it never will be.
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JoshDragon
Hall of Fame
Nowhere close to his prime form? Based on what? The fact that Djokovic was able to edge him in five sets?
McGradey
Hall of Fame
... Sampras guy dribbling on about Federer in every second thread on TTW
12> 6
apologies if this has been posted b4
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Stat of the Day: Novak Djokovic has now won his last 24 matches in a row against Americans | Tennis.com
He’s also on a 10-match winning streak against everyone at the Masters 1000 in Paris after defeating American Maxime Cressy, 7-6 (1), 6-4, in his opening match.
TheAssassin
Legend
I wonder who showed him the way out.
Delusional. Not that I expect anything different from the Brigade.
Texas Tennis Fan
Professional
Both clay and grass have much fewer contenders than hardcourt.
Entername
Professional
I never said he was better on HCs than Novak but to win 6 HC slams is impressive asf, that's the same as Andre Agassi who many say dominated hard courts
Sampras dominated HC 7 /25 slams participated. Novak 12/36. That's domination
Nadal 6/33 - That's vulturing at best.
President
Legend
Longevity counts for nothing? Sampras was finished when he retired.
Entername
Professional
Love how he convientiely leaves out Agassi who was 6/31 on HC lol also if 6 slams is vulturing that means ATGs like Becker/Edberg were vultures since they won 6 majors in their whole careers
6/31> 6/33.
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
Wondering if it is a sly reference to Federer’s press conference after another famous match point loss at the 2011 US Open? That passing shot didn’t look like it had a lot of luck to it.
Halba
Hall of Fame
Yeah exactly. Djokovic is 3 years senior to that and still winning slams.
Djokodalerer31
Hall of Fame
Next year by the very end of it - Novak will be as old as Federer was in 2018 when he won his last grand slam title! And if by the results of 2023 Novak will end the year as multi-slam champion it will mean he achieved more as the oldest winner of slams, than Federer did in respective age...Try to convince me then and there Federer stopped winning due to his age in previous decade, while not looking dumb when saying it...the competition is a factor yes i'm not gonna argue that and yes Federer had prime Djokovic to be dealt with and slightly less than prime Nadal as well...i also acknowledge that, but the main point of the argument was never that...but the fact, that he cannot win as much as Nadalovic due to his age...it was never about losing h2h against them, it was not being able to win as many slams and keeping up with them...
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