Djokovic is probably going to end up with 23 Grand Slam titles when it's all said and done.

How many slams does DJoker end up with?

  • 15 - he's done

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • 16-19

    Votes: 50 54.9%
  • 20-21

    Votes: 18 19.8%
  • 22-23

    Votes: 12 13.2%
  • 24 and above

    Votes: 10 11.0%

  • Total voters
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1HBHNation

Rookie
I mean dude is still young and Peking like a duck. Old man fed about to roll over in his grave. And uncle Ralph still cant figure out a counter to the Djoker backhand.

The young guys? Ha, just lambs to the slaughter...

23 is in sight!

Can't wait till the French this year!
 

paolo2143

Professional
I am a Novak fan and while i would love to believe he will end up surpassing 20, i think he is more likely to end on 18 or 19. There are just too many variables including increasing age, possible injuries or loss of motivation for me to believe he will get more than another 5.
 

uscwang

Hall of Fame
I expect Novak to age better than Nadal, equal to or slightly better than Federer. Nobody expected Federer to win 3 majors after turning 35. But that shows how good the Big 3 are. This year's AO confirmed it: when healthy, they are head and shoulder above the field, even at 31.5 and 32.5.

Like Federer, Novak will likely be affected by some injuries in the next 5 years. But thanks to his own experience and Federer's, Novak should be smarter in trying to minimize the impact. Better serve, more aggressive game plan, easy scheduling.

I voted 22-23, a range Federer would probably have voted for Novak.
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
depend is he fails or not at rg 2019.
is the last chance to nadal to go for the record and if he win, he can still do it, if he lose and the joker win, is over for the spaniard and who knows, the serbian can try to emulate rod laver historic milestone: the calendar grand slam.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic is probably going to end up with 23 Grand Slam titles when it's all said and done

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Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
I mean dude is still young and Peking like a duck. Old man fed about to roll over in his grave. And uncle Ralph still cant figure out a counter to the Djoker backhand.

The young guys? Ha, just lambs to the slaughter...

23 is in sight!

Can't wait till the French this year!
Peking or Beijing?
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
I mean dude is still young and Peking like a duck. Old man fed about to roll over in his grave. And uncle Ralph still cant figure out a counter to the Djoker backhand.

The young guys? Ha, just lambs to the slaughter...

23 is in sight!

Can't wait till the French this year!
This is to tell you that I decline to vote in your poll. I am a disgruntled Federer fan.
 

Night Slasher

Semi-Pro
People can get carried away very easy, but let's not forget that this isn't the first time a player is on a streak, everyone predict he's going to dominate for the next X years, and he loses the very next big tournament.

Federer was a holder of three grand slams (on three different surfaces!) after his victory in Australia 2010 and there were predictions of him winning the calendar grand slam. And what happened? He didn't win a GS title in the next two and a half years. And no, he wasn't losing to Nadal, he was being beaten by the likes of Soderling and Berdych (with all due respect to them).

Maybe it won't happen to Novak, maybe he'll continue to pummel everyone and eventually break the record, but it could also happen that he gets Medvedev in the 4R, Bautista in the QF and reach the SF already exhausted after many hours of grinding, where a young gun (Tsitsipas, let's say) is waiting for him. He could lose as well. He isn't young anymore.
 
I mean dude is still young and Peking like a duck. Old man fed about to roll over in his grave. And uncle Ralph still cant figure out a counter to the Djoker backhand.

The young guys? Ha, just lambs to the slaughter...

23 is in sight!

Can't wait till the French this year!

Truly one of the best researched, most thoroughly thought out, and backed by data and logic posts I have ever read. Kudos to you!
 
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Goret

Rookie
He'd be quite likely to enter a slump once he reaches his main goals... so, it'd be better if his real goal is Margaret Court. :p
But I'd doubt that's the case... so, probably not more than 20-21, unless Fed or Nadal help a bit there by pushing the target higher (but, then, in such a case which slams would be left for him to win?).
 

1HBHNation

Rookie
I expect Novak to age better than Nadal, equal to or slightly better than Federer. Nobody expected Federer to win 3 majors after turning 35. But that shows how good the Big 3 are. This year's AO confirmed it: when healthy, they are head and shoulder above the field, even at 31.5 and 32.5.

Like Federer, Novak will likely be affected by some injuries in the next 5 years. But thanks to his own experience and Federer's, Novak should be smarter in trying to minimize the impact. Better serve, more aggressive game plan, easy scheduling.

I voted 22-23, a range Federer would probably have voted for Novak.
I think if Djoker takes Roland Garros this year, that is certainly a possibility. Plus Ralph has proven to us that he can't win off the dirt roads. and Fed is just dying a slow death.
And I'm a fed fan too btw but old man time is a sorry soul.
 

brystone

Semi-Pro
I think the French this year is very telling. Whether he wins there or not could be atleast a 2 slam swing in total. Then again he could also drain in motivation completely like after winning there in 2016, but somehow that seems less likely now.

Tennis has never been more unpredictable in general. This like most things is anyones guess.
 

1HBHNation

Rookie
I think the French this year is very telling. Whether he wins there or not could be atleast a 2 slam swing in total. Then again he could also drain in motivation completely like after winning there in 2016, but somehow that seems less likely now.

Tennis has never been more unpredictable in general. This like most things is anyones guess.
Can we just skip thru all the nonsense tournaments and just play the French open in February already? I'm mean wtf gives a shot about Acapulco?
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
16-19.

After winning the French I don't have him winning WImbledon and don't know how he does going forward after that. And of course he might not win the French.

Ultimately I think 2020 won't go so hot for him so 16-19 is a good bet. Gun to my head I think he finishes at 18 tied with Nadal.
 

timnz

Legend
I mean dude is still young and Peking like a duck. Old man fed about to roll over in his grave. And uncle Ralph still cant figure out a counter to the Djoker backhand.

The young guys? Ha, just lambs to the slaughter...

23 is in sight!

Can't wait till the French this year!
So the most any male player has won in the open era, after 30 years old, is 4 slams. And you expect Djokovic after the age of 32 to win 8? It is possible, but it is far from assured.
 
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Deleted member 716271

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So the most any male player has won in the open era, after 30 years old, is 4 slams. And you expect Djokovic after the age of 32 to win 8?

I dont know that he will win 8 after 32, I would predict less than that and less than 23.

However this odd mathematical framing based on past events "you're telling me x player will win y slams after age of z??? When the most anyone before won was (fill in the blank)" has been proven wrong again and again in rapid succession
 

1HBHNation

Rookie
So the most any male player has won in the open era, after 30 years old, is 4 slams. And you expect Djokovic after the age of 32 to win 8? It is possible, but it is far from assured.
yea well in 5 years when ya'll dig up this thread again. you'll see that I called it square. i dunno. just had a dream that he haad 23 gs titles at the end. seemed legit.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
However this odd mathematical framing based on past events "you're telling me x player will win y slams after age of z??? When the most anyone before won was (fill in the blank)" has been proven wrong again and again in rapid succession

Well no.

Slam Champions over 30
Federer, Laver, Rosewall at 4
Novak and Nadal at 3
Agassi, Connors, Wawrinka at 2


Both Nadal and Novak had 2 year slumps after 29 but were able to come back, which is impressive but Federer won 3 out of 4 Slams at age 35-36.
 
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Deleted member 716271

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Well no.

Slam Champions over 30
Federer, Laver, Rosewall at 4
Novak and Nadal at 3
Agassi, Connors, Wawrinka at 2


Both Nadal and Novak had 2 year slumps after 29 but were able to come back, which is impressive but Federer won 3 out of 4 Slams at age 35-36.

So? What you just said barely corresponds at all to what I said.

Also you just repeated another version of what I was talking about...
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
So? What you just said barely corresponds at all to what I said.

Also you just repeated another version of what I was talking about...

I'm saying to expect Nadal and Novak to win 8 Slams in their 30s is still patently absurd. It will still be absurd even if they get 5 each and will continue until one of them actually gets 8.
 

Federev

Legend
I mean dude is still young and Peking like a duck. Old man fed about to roll over in his grave. And uncle Ralph still cant figure out a counter to the Djoker backhand.

The young guys? Ha, just lambs to the slaughter...

23 is in sight!

Can't wait till the French this year!
23????

More like 33!!!

Fed showed what a 36 year old can do at his level.

Can you imagine Novak at 36 at Novak level??????

33 easy!!!
 
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Deleted member 716271

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I'm saying to expect Nadal and Novak to win 8 Slams in their 30s is still patently absurd. It will still be absurd even if they get 5 each and will continue until one of them actually gets 8.

And I am saying that way of framing things is a logical flaw imo
 

1HBHNation

Rookie
novak is simply not even human. his semi finals and finals level was close to GOD mode. I mean 5 unforced errors against Pouillle? 6-0 6-2 6-2? and then to clean sweep RAFA like that?
Jesus would be Jealous.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
And I am saying that way of framing things is a logical flaw imo

Logical flaw? It's called a precedent, one that has stood up for half a century. Given current trends it's possible for Novak to get to 5 or 6, but with every one he gets at this point the percentages of 1 more is ever lower. We can sit here all day and say things are different but of all the great players before in those 50 years, none of them for whatever reason were able to win many past 30. Rosewall and Laver played all 4 Slams, Connors and Agassi played well into their 30s for number of chances, etc. Federer looked like he would win more and while one could say he gets 3 in 2014-15 if Novak isn't around I can say the same about Agassi getting more if not for Federer or Connors if not for McEnroe.
 

tennisfan2015

Hall of Fame
Nadl - He has copped a flogging at AO so it must have raised some doubts. He also has a wedding coming up and many other commitments that come with it. He is still recovering from the pause he had. These are the 3 major factors for Rafa to be able to win FO19. If he does it will be a huge boost as he will come to 2 slams away from Fedr.

Novk- He is riding high on confidence. 3 in a row. He has set himself a goal to rewrite the tennis history books. He is healthy, Jelena has forgiven him, Vajda is back, Pepe got a kick in the arse. After 7 AOs he will surely try to win FO19 to make 4 in a row, again.

Think about it. If he does and wins against Nadl in the final Nadl will be even more fcuked in the head, so it is not unreasonable to think considering that Novk wants to rewrite the record books that his goal would also be Wimby. Not only to make 5 in a row but also to defend his points. If he does that, imagine what will be going through Nadl's head?

Lost AO. Lost FO and now Novk sits at 17 together with him while only a year ago the difference between them was 5 and between Fedr and Novk was 8, now 3.

If anyone thinks that Novk at that point won't be as motivated as ever to separate himself from Nadl and get closer to Fedr that person is fooling himself/herself.

With two more GS, Novk will end up as YE No.1 and most likely break 310 as well.

So, yeah, FO19 and Wimby 19 are crucial for both but Nadl MUST take it more seriously because if he does not by the end of 2019 he will be No.3 on the all time list.
 
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Logical flaw? It's called a precedent, one that has stood up for half a century. Given current trends it's possible for Novak to get to 5 or 6, but with every one he gets at this point the percentages of 1 more is ever lower. We can sit here all day and say things are different but of all the great players before in those 50 years, none of them for whatever reason were able to win many past 30. Rosewall and Laver played all 4 Slams, Connors and Agassi played well into their 30s for number of chances, etc. Federer looked like he would win more and while one could say he gets 3 in 2014-15 if Novak isn't around I can say the same about Agassi getting more if not for Federer or Connors if not for McEnroe.

Yes, logical flaw. I think he is unlikely to win 23 slams (lol). However the way of framing things in terms of past events is just not a great way to do it. "Precedent" as you put it. People made the same arguments about him winning after 30 at all a few years ago. Then the goalposts move with each new win. Eventually those saying such and such won't do x will be right, but it won't be based on precedent which keeps being proven wrong with the new, super fit players.

A better way to look at it would be to say Novak is unlikely to win 8 more slams because he would have to stay super fit and on the top of his game until 35 probably to do it, but he IS likely to win say 20 or 21 because of (fill in the blank)

The precedent BS is tired
 

Federev

Legend
I dont know that he will win 8 after 32, I would predict less than that and less than 23.

However this odd mathematical framing based on past events "you're telling me x player will win y slams after age of z??? When the most anyone before won was (fill in the blank)" has been proven wrong again and again in rapid succession

Totally Agree.

It’s the least dependable analytical tool after fortune cookies.
 

1HBHNation

Rookie
Nadl - He has copped a flogging at AO so it must have raised some doubts. He also has a wedding coming up and many other commitments that come with it. He is still recovering from the pause he had. These are the 3 major factors for Rafa to be able to win FO19. If he does it will be a huge boost as he will come to 2 slams away from Fedr.

Novk- He is riding high on confidence. 3 in a row. He has set himself a goal to rewrite the tennis history books. He is healthy, Jelena has forgiven him, Vajda is back, Pepe got a kick in the arse. After 7 AOs he will surely try to win FO19 to make 4 in a row, again.

Think about it. If he does and wins against Nadl in the final Nadl will be even more fcuked in the head, so it is not unreasonable to think considering that Novk wants to rewrite the record books that his goal would also be Wimby. Not only to make 5 in a row but also to defend his points. If he does that, imagine what will be going through Nadl's head?

Lost AO. Lost FO and now Novk sits at 17 together with him while only a year ago the difference between them was 5 and between Fedr and Novk was 8, now 3.

If anyone thinks that Novk at that point won't be as motivated as ever to separate himself from Nadl and get closer to Fedr that person is fooling himself/herself.

With two more GS, Novk will end up as YE No.1 and most likely break 310 as well.

So, yeah, FO19 and Wimby 19 are crucial for both but Nadl MUST take it more seriously because if he does not by the end of 2019 he will be No.3 on the all time list.

with all this novak and rafa talk. wouldn't it be crazy if uncle Frederer stole one of these just to mess with them?
 

Federev

Legend
novak is simply not even human. his semi finals and finals level was close to GOD mode. I mean 5 unforced errors against Pouillle? 6-0 6-2 6-2? and then to clean sweep RAFA like that?
Jesus would be Jealous.
Jesus would just make another Saturn and four moons.

Not really someone vulnerable to jealousy.

But Novak did play out of his mind good his last few matches.

He seems quite comfortable with it all.

I like that he didn’t go all shirt rage after Rafa. Shows he’s able to crush it AND be more even keeled.

Hard to imagine him having any let downs for a long time.

But that’s how it looked for Fed in 2010 after he’d made 18/19 GRAND SLAM FINALS in a row. 18 out of 19.

That’s almost 5 years straight being in every slam final. Winning most of them.

And then - poof. Where’d he go?

“One of the reasons why the future is so hard to predict is because it has not happened yet.”
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
Yes, logical flaw. I think he is unlikely to win 23 slams (lol). However the way of framing things in terms of past events is just not a great way to do it. "Precedent" as you put it. People made the same arguments about him winning after 30 at all a few years ago.

I wasn't one of those people. Prior to his 2015-16 mega-run I had him in the 13-15 window. After he won the French I said he might get 16/17.

And it's all been apart of the precedent except that I and most others didn't expect a deep fall in 2017.

Betting on Novak getting 8 Slams in my world is betting against Lendl, Sampras and Connors as considerably lesser players, which they just weren't. I am one of those who believe the Big 3 numbers are all inflated because of marketing and draw manipulation but I'm still of the mind-set they won't be able to overcome precedents by such massive margins.

There's only one athlete who has absolutely decimated what many thought was possible and that's been Tom Brady and yet one could argue if Leonard Marshall doesn't hit Montana maybe he would have accomplished the same.
 
23????

More like 33!!!

Fed showed what a 36 year old can do at his level.

Can you imagine Novak at 36 at Novak level??????

33 easy!!!
The sarcastic sceptics are probably the funniest bunch. After so many slaps in your face you guys didn't learn anything. :D
And you will never learn it seems.;)
 
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I wasn't one of those people. Prior to his 2015-16 mega-run I had him in the 13-15 window. After he won the French I said he might get 16/17.

And it's all been apart of the precedent except that I and most others didn't expect a deep fall in 2017.

Betting on Novak getting 8 Slams in my world is betting against Lendl, Sampras and Connors as considerably lesser players, which they just weren't. I am one of those who believe the Big 3 numbers are all inflated because of marketing and draw manipulation but I'm still of the mind-set they won't be able to overcome precedents by such massive margins.

There's only one athlete who has absolutely decimated what many thought was possible and that's been Tom Brady and yet one could argue if Leonard Marshall doesn't hit Montana maybe he would have accomplished the same.

No, again this is IMO an incorrect assumption. First of all, I do think Novak is better than them, but that doesn't even matter.

Other things could be true without needing the bold to be true.

The tour could be kinder to the best players now regardless of age, Djokovic could be among a group of modern athletes that tend to last longer than their predecessors, Novak could be uniquely primed in spirit, form, and all court prowess to win many slams in the next couple years etc...

If Federer won 3 slams at 35/36, then Novak winning a certain amount before that shouldn't be that out there (I actually agree that Federer has a better style for longevity btw but still it should show the "precedent" is overrated).

What you are saying would make sense to say it is very unlikely anyone, Novak, Rafa, Fed etc will play slam winning tennis at 40. That is something that I would agree with in terms of precedent and common sense.

In this case, Novak has already won 3 of the 8 since 30, so to frame it as he wont win "8 since he turned 30" just seems an oddly contrived way to arrive at an "it's impossible due to precedent" conclusion.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Logical flaw? It's called a precedent, one that has stood up for half a century. Given current trends it's possible for Novak to get to 5 or 6, but with every one he gets at this point the percentages of 1 more is ever lower. We can sit here all day and say things are different but of all the great players before in those 50 years, none of them for whatever reason were able to win many past 30. Rosewall and Laver played all 4 Slams, Connors and Agassi played well into their 30s for number of chances, etc. Federer looked like he would win more and while one could say he gets 3 in 2014-15 if Novak isn't around I can say the same about Agassi getting more if not for Federer or Connors if not for McEnroe.

Holding all 4 Slams at the same was also a precedent which stood up for 50 years before Nole did it again. No man over 31 had ever won 3 Slams in a row until now (Laver won 3 at age 30 and the last one at age 31 in his CYGS). Now he will be 32 when he tries to hold all 4 again. At this point, just throw all precedent out of the window because it no longer matters. Djokovic just made 58 winners and 14 unforced errors in the last two rounds of the AO and is moving like a gazelle, which is a very important point. As long as he is moving like that, he will be lethal to all competition. But let that sink in. He made 14 errors combined in the SF and F of AO.

Too much emphasis is put on age but it's not age that matters so much, but about what abilities players have lost when they reached that age. The abilities he has lost are minimal at this point. He just played in those last two rounds at the level he did when he was at his peak. Winning 4 Slams after the age of 30 is the precedent and will not be passed because no one ever did it? Forget it. Djokovic will pass that easily and the real question is by how much will he pass it.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Federer was a holder of three grand slams (on three different surfaces!) after his victory in Australia 2010 and there were predictions of him winning the calendar grand slam. And what happened? He didn't win a GS title in the next two and a half years. And no, he wasn't losing to Nadal, he was being beaten by the likes of Soderling and Berdych (with all due respect to them).
He actually lost 12 slam finals/semi to the Big4 since 2010.

Will Djokovic's opponents be as tough?
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Logical flaw? It's called a precedent, one that has stood up for half a century. Given current trends it's possible for Novak to get to 5 or 6, but with every one he gets at this point the percentages of 1 more is ever lower. We can sit here all day and say things are different but of all the great players before in those 50 years, none of them for whatever reason were able to win many past 30. Rosewall and Laver played all 4 Slams, Connors and Agassi played well into their 30s for number of chances, etc. Federer looked like he would win more and while one could say he gets 3 in 2014-15 if Novak isn't around I can say the same about Agassi getting more if not for Federer or Connors if not for McEnroe.
Can you tell me the precedent for the youngest 2+ slam winner being 32 years old?
 
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