UnforcedTerror
Hall of Fame
Basically history and tradition. Also more money, more points and more players participating.
Djokovic: Slams should be Best of 3 sets
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Tennis_Hands
Banned
My post was just a general statement about how a Bo3 change would affect the game. Not everything revolves around the Big 3.My point is that with a Bo3 change, players may start to neglect fitness, bringing the sport backwards in terms of quality.
That is not how I read your previous statement, but fair enough.
Terenigma
G.O.A.T.
Is there a player on the tour thats not true for?
Anyways, i've made my points and the short version is that I am very in favour of slams changing to best of 3. I would personally like to keep finals B05 but earlia round it would speed the game up and allow many players to play their best tennis without having to play average just to last the match and as viewer, i could watch more tennis!
VashTheStampede
Professional
Noah Rubin and Djokovic both support the change to Best of 3 format because they believe young people don't have the patience to sit through a Best of 5 match.
However, I really question whether or not there's actual statistical evidence of this. It seems like they're just making assumptions.
From a fan's standpoint, it's always the long Best of 5 matches that people love the most and regard as classics. To me, a 5-setter in a Grand Slam final is the equivalent of a game 7 in an NBA final.
However, I really question whether or not there's actual statistical evidence of this. It seems like they're just making assumptions.
From a fan's standpoint, it's always the long Best of 5 matches that people love the most and regard as classics. To me, a 5-setter in a Grand Slam final is the equivalent of a game 7 in an NBA final.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Of course. TTW posters know more about tennis and sports than the #1 player in the world
Djokovic certainly knows less than I do about this subject as his erroneous statements confirm. That's why so many major tennis stars, including the two current ones who are far more popular than Djokovic, agree with me.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
No doubt
Yup. Care to explain how it makes sense to suggest that Djokovic *must* know more than a fan does when so many other players, including two who are far more liked and popular (and considered greater) than Djokovic, agree with this fan and not Novak?
Didn't think so
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Yup. Care to explain how it makes sense to suggest that Djokovic *must* know more than a fan does when so many other players, including two who are far more liked and popular (and considered greater) than Djokovic, agree with this fan and not Novak?
Didn't think so
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
Maybe he can donate his 2020 AO to the guy that “won” in Bo3 then...
boredone3456
G.O.A.T.
Well thats not how they are making decisions. The trend for the last 50-60 years has been to make matches shorter with the introduction of Tiebreaks for all sets but the 5th at majors being the first real step in that direction. Now we have 5th Set tiebreaks and no B05 at masters. These decisions aren't being made based on legacy but a whole host of other things. I wouldn't be surprised if a big part of it was trying to get major networks to pick up tennis and gear it towards "shorter more exciting matches". I'm not saying I agree with it, I am saying this has been a very slow trend moving in this direction for a while and I don't see it changing.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
I think posters here just want to vent and clutch their pearls rather than analyze the very real changes that have already happened and look at possible changes in the future
demrle
Professional
There is some "circumstantial evidence" from NFL. AFAIK the NFL has a problem that ever more young viewers don't bother watching the games anymore but exclusively the highlights or the "Red zone" at best.
Tennis_Freak99
Legend
TennisHockey
Rookie
If he couldn't beat this wife at tennis, then he's clearly no GOAT.
Fedinkum
Legend
VashTheStampede
Professional
Interesting. Sad too. I hope we don't end up changing our favorite sports just because technology damaged people's attention spans.
Fedinkum
Legend
Someone already mentioned the 61 age stats is skewed by the samples used.
People in here acting like this is something new. He said this over years ago.
Novak Djokovic Disagrees with Roger Federer, Advocates for 3-Set Matches
Novak Djokovic revealed Thursday he would be in favour of three-set matches throughout the tennis season. "I would have even Grand Slams best of three, to be honest," Djokovic said on the Tennis Channel (via ESPN...www.google.com
Mind you, he's gone on to win 4 more BO5 Slams since then. He's entitled to his opinion, whether you agree from your couch or not. His opinion as a 17 Slam champ has 100 times more weight than anyone on this board because he's the only one who knows what it takes to win 1 Slam. Just say you disagree and move on. These comments are ridiculous.
And I thought that it's freedom of opinions and folks discussing something on a tennis board don't need to be former GS winners...
How old are you?
Before World Series Cricket about 40 years ago, cricket was far, far, far more rigid in it's traditions than tennis.
There are a lot of problems with tennis at the moment, but BO5 slams isn't one of them.
BO3 means less fatigue, faster recovery.
It's not like he trails 0-2 or 1-2 in sets, his opponent runs out of gas and Novak wins in 5 sets to advance to the next round.
Novak and Rafa casually destroy their opponents en-route to final.
So it's a focus issue, hence BO means he can play more years ;-)
FrontHeadlock
Hall of Fame
When will people learn that a sport will not do better by playing to the casual and non-fan at the expense of the serious fan.
Correct.
Heck, compare ratings, etc at the Majors compared to the "5th biggest tennis tournament". Any data showing that people prefer BO3 at the YEC vs BO5 at the Majors?
Correct.
Heck, compare ratings, etc at the Majors compared to the "5th biggest tennis tournament". Any data showing that people prefer BO3 at the YEC vs BO5 at the Majors?
VashTheStampede
Professional
Agreed. I always consider Best of 3 much more boring than Best of 5. When you think of all the classic men's matches throughout history, almost all of them were 5-setters.
stingstang
Professional
If he wants to speed up matches how about stop bouncing the ball a hundred times before every serve.
Cantconvert2MP
Rookie
Why ?
As Djoko said, outside of tradition, they're no reason for 3 sets or 2 sets or 4 sets... If back then they had put the slam with 2 sets, you would have defended it today... because ? well, just because.
TV segmentation, therefor $$, would be one of the reason to why we have 2 sets for this and 3 sets for that... but if we're talking about TV segmentation is something ajustable..
And i dont even agree or disagree with what Djoko said.
FrontHeadlock
Hall of Fame
BO3 are also much flukier. This is a big problem for the women's Majors.
Too many matches where Player A is leading like 6-2, 5-5, with the second set being a lopsided 5-5 in all but the scoreline, Player B somehow saves 8 BPs during the 2nd set only to get to a tiebreak and squeeze it out, and then it's one set for the win.
The nice thing about BO5 is that it's pretty much impossible to fluke yourself into winning 3 sets.
FrontHeadlock
Hall of Fame
This is like the old "outside of clay, [Djokovic] [Federer] is the GOAT" argument.
You can't just dismiss a strong argument against a change for no reason. Tradition is a pretty big reason to keep something in place, among other reasons.
Heck, outside of tradition, there's no reason for Wimbledon to be on grass. If they had started on clay we'd have defended it today, right?
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
I hate this take so much that I might switch to Team Bamos. I don't know what kind of people Novak hangs around, but I don't know any young people who think BO5 is "boring" or too long. If anything, they're calling for more BO5, in WTF finals for example.
IMO we need BO5 finals in WTF and maybe M1000 too, but with faster court surfaces. More competitive matches, but less long, winded grindfests.
Yea very self-serving cause realistically this is a process that could be finished next year.
No it's not! Anyone in his right mind(except joker fans) agrees that a 5-set format poses greater challenge, true test of his mental and physical capability.
This is where we separate the men from the boys !
Amritia
Hall of Fame
stingstang
Professional
Yup that’s the biggie
Also there are lots of little things that could speed tennis up:
- stop them using a towel every point
- stricter rules for MTO
- stop them slowly walking back to the chair to change racket etc between games
- reduce serve clock even more so no time to bounce ball ten times
- stop the net cord rule on serves
... and lots more. It all adds up.
Meles Fan.
Professional
Really Novak...
Methinks his angle is to get "equal job for equal pay" vis-à-vis WTA in majors, since the "equal pay for equal job" train appears to have left the station...
Amritia
Hall of Fame
Daniel Andrade
Hall of Fame
I don't agree with Djokovic however I understand his point. At some point, economics will force this sport to change, and we won't have Bo5 :/
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Why do you think so?
BackhandDTL
Hall of Fame
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Rafa said just yesterday slams should always remains BO5. Since common sense and 20 > 17, I'm siding with Rafa.
Genius, can you let us all know when was Novak or Rafa trailing 0-2 or 1-2 in sets and their opponent run out of gas? And this why Novak or Rafa won?
6:0 6:2 6:3
6:4 6:4 6:2
6:1 6:2 6:2
6:1 6:0 6:3
6:0 6:3 6:2
6:1 6:4 6:0
6:4 6:3 6:3
6:1 6:1 6:2
4:6 6:2 6:3 6:4
7:6 6:4 6:1
6:3 6:2 5:7 4:6 6:1
6:3 6:3 7:6
Which of these matches in BO3 would result in upset?
The opponents were so much terrified of going the distance of 5 sets that preferred to lose 6:0 6:1 instead of 7:6 6:7 7:6 6:7 10:8?
