Djokovic was real #2 in 2008?

[zagor]

I'd love to know what Zagor thinks...

Why? You have a sudden interest in the opinion of hardcore *******s :lol:

But here, the way I see it, a better ranked player for the year is not necessarily the better player that year, not that I don't value consistency but I value winning titles more.

Normally, if the players are tied for the number of slam titles won in a year, I compare their # of masters titles won next and Novak is definitely ahead there (with IW and Rome compare to zero masters titles for Fed), what still keeps it close is the contrast between Fed's performance and Novak's performance at Wimbledon, Novak lost in the 2nd round while Fed lost the final in what many consider to be the greatest match of all time, that said further comparing level in slams neither of them won, I think Novak's level was higher at the FO that year but the gap wasn't nearly as big as it was at Wimbledon.

The dealbreaker (for me) however is Novak winning TMC (or YEC/WTF whatever you want to call it), I personally value that tourney very much so that tips the odds in Novak's favour, in short yes I personally think Novak was the *real* #2 in 2008 or the 2nd best player in the world despite the the rankings turning out the way they did.

 

[NadalAgassi]

Absolutely. There is simply no way Federer should have been able to end the year #2 with no Masters titles, when Djokovic and he both won a slam, Djokovic won the WTF, and Djokovic won multiple masters and won one on both hard courts and clay as well. It was pretty much a joke, although atleast not as bad as the all time joke, Wozniacki ending 2011 #1 over Kvitova who had a better year in every single way.

 

[jhhachamp]

Fed definitely deserved to be #2 that year since he did much better in the majors.

 

[veroniquem]

Wait, when it looked like Federer could end the year at number 1 last year you were going on about slam results (i should stress overall consistency in slams when both equal on slam titles, not more slams held) being more important that titles held... because you know, Federer had more titles. But now you think titles outweigh slam consistancy?

Please be consistant :lol:

I didn't say the ranking was "unfair". I just observed it was due to slam perf. In 2012, Fed and Djoko were close in terms of titles (3 masters each + 1 slam). In 2008, they were not close at all since Fed won 0 master or WTF .

 

[zagor]

Absolutely. There is simply no way Federer should have been able to end the year #2 with no Masters titles, when Djokovic and he both won a slam, Djokovic won the WTF, and Djokovic won multiple masters and won one on both hard courts and clay as well. It was pretty much a joke, although atleast not as bad as the all time joke, Wozniacki ending 2011 #1 over Kvitova who had a better year in every single way.

Let's be honest, nothing compares to Wozniacki being #1 in 2010 and 2011, that was just downright hilarious.

 

[Feather]

There is a huge difference between ranking points in 2008 and now. That time they gave only 1000 points for a major winner but 2000 now. Again 1500 now for TMC while then it was 750..

It would be interesting to know how it would have been if they are converted to todays points

 

[Gonzo_style]

Why? You have a sudden interest in the opinion of hardcore *******s :lol:

Because you're fan of of both players.

I don't remember that I called you a hardcore *******...:-?

 

[tudwell]

Let's be real, Federer wasn't slightly above Djokovic in slam results, that 2nd round wimbledon loss makes Federer significantly better. Federer won 24 matches in slams, Djokovic won 18. A 6 match difference is the equivilent of reaching a whole other slam final.

To put it another way, let's look at their slam finishes in 2012. Djokovic has, like Federer in 2008, a win, two finals, and a semifinal. Federer has, like Djokovic in 2008, a win, two semifinals - and then instead of a second round exit, a quarterfinal exit. Outside of the slams, they're pretty similar, with six overall titles and three Masters events, but I don't think anyone would claim Federer was the real number one because their slam results were similar. Because in reality, there's a huge difference between making three finals and making one.

 

[tudwell]

There is a huge difference between ranking points in 2008 and now. That time they gave only 1000 points for a major winner but 2000 now. Again 1500 now for TMC while then it was 750..

It would be interesting to know how it would have been if they are converted to todays points

I believe the disparity between points given in each round of a tournament is larger now than it was in 2008. So Djokovic, with his inferior performance in slams, would have been even further behind in points if they used the current system.

 

[zagor]

Because you're fan of of both players.

I don't remember that I called you a hardcore *******...:-?

Well OK but what has me being a fan of both players got to do with my answer to this topic? It would be the same regardless.

 

[Gonzo_style]

To put it another way, let's look at their slam finishes in 2012. Djokovic has, like Federer in 2008, a win, two finals, and a semifinal. Federer has, like Djokovic in 2008, a win, two semifinals - and then instead of a second round exit, a quarterfinal exit. Outside of the slams, they're pretty similar, with six overall titles and three Masters events, but I don't think anyone would claim Federer was the real number one because their slam results were similar. Because in reality, there's a huge difference between making three finals and making one.

You totally forgot WTFs 2012...

 

[DropShotArtist]

Djokovic was not the real #2, if he was, his ranking would have been #2. But he wasn't. Federer was the REAL #2 in 2008. /thread

 

[DropShotArtist]

The only reason Djokovic even got close to #2 was because Federer had mono. It's really as simple as that.

 

[NadalAgassi]

Let's be honest, nothing compares to Wozniacki being #1 in 2010 and 2011, that was just downright hilarious.

Actually Wozniackis 2010 year end #1 wasnt all that bad. Serena won 2 slams but those were the only 2 tournaments she won all year, she only played 6 tournaments, and she missed half the year entirely. Clijsters IMO was the rightful #1 with a slam, WTA Championships, Miami, 5 overall titles, and playing a decent schedule. However Wozniacki this year atleast was the super consistent player she was hyped to be but never really was in 2011. 2011 was definitely the most farcial #1 of all time though, men or women.

 

[Gonzo_style]

The only reason Djokovic even got close to #2 was because Federer had mono. It's really as simple as that.

You're first person who mention mono, what does that say about you?

One can say that the only reason why Federer finished 2009 season in first place is because Nadal was injured....I guess you would not be happy with that...

 

[DropShotArtist]

You're first person who mention mono, what does that say about you?

One can say that the only reason why Federer finished 2009 season in first place is because Nadal was injured....I guess you would not be happy with that...

What does it say about me? It say I acknowledge reality, whilst others like to revel in fantasy. One can say that about 2009 but this thread is about 2008, correct me if I'm wrong . In 2008 Roger Federer finished #2 and he was the #2 player of the year. Period. No ifs ands or buts.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Djokovic was only 5 points off ending 2008 as #2, so I agree.

 

[Mustard]

Roger Federer in 2008
SF at the Australian Open
R32 in Dubai
SF in Indian Wells
QF in Miami
Won in Estoril
F in Monte Carlo
QF in Rome
F in Hamburg
F at the French Open
Won in Halle
F at Wimbledon
R32 in Toronto
R16 in Cincinnati
QF at the Beijing Olympics
Won the US Open
SF in Madrid Indoors
Won in Basel
QF in Paris Indoors
Round Robin exit at the Masters Cup (won 1 out of 3 matches)

Novak Djokovic in 2008
Won the Australian Open
R16 in Marseille
SF in Dubai
Won in Indian Wells
R64 in Miami
SF in Monte Carlo
Won in Rome
SF in Hamburg
SF at the French Open
F at Queen's Club
R64 at Wimbledon
QF in Toronto
F in Cincinnati
SF at the Beijing Olympics (3rd place)
SF at the US Open
F in Bangkok
R16 in Madrid Indoors
R16 in Paris Indoors
Won the Masters Cup (won 4 out of 5 matches)

 

[TMF]

One can say that the only reason why Federer finished 2009 season in first place is because Nadal was injured....I guess you would not be happy with that...

LOL...ranking system doesn't award any points to any injury(or fake injury) player. And to argue against the system is like arguing against the scoreboard. You fail !